EPTTL Mafia XLIV - Page 112
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Now I have gone over some stuff and first off I don't think that Pyo is scum, look at his stuff at the beginning of the game, he seems pretty suspicious of mig even attacking him when palmar tries to defend him and calls both mig and BB scummy which just seems too dangerous for him to be scum to me. By call out BB and Mig do you mean this post? I'll start by saying that foolishness made a very convincing post about BB. At this point I'm leaning toward BB and Mig both being scum. DB flipping kind of lends him credence - doesn't mean he's necessarily right, but at least he's not trying to fool anyone. Cause that's not calling them out. He even backtracks on what he's saying. "Foolishness had a good post on BB, and he's probably town, but that doesn't mean he's right." He never calls anyone out, never gives us any of his own analysis, and always votes by following others. Aside from his vote on mig, which could have just been bussing since at that point (Day 3) mig was pretty much going to be lynched (Foolishness and I were hardcore pushing for it by then), he really hasn't done anything "pro-town". Add in his claim and I'm 90% sure he's mafia. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On September 04 2011 22:47 chaoser wrote: By call out BB and Mig do you mean this post? Cause that's not calling them out. He even backtracks on what he's saying. "Foolishness had a good post on BB, and he's probably town, but that doesn't mean he's right." He never calls anyone out, never gives us any of his own analysis, and always votes by following others. Aside from his vote on mig, which could have just been bussing since at that point (Day 3) mig was pretty much going to be lynched (Foolishness and I were hardcore pushing for it by then), he really hasn't done anything "pro-town". Add in his claim and I'm 90% sure he's mafia. And we have another person who either can't read or is choosing not to... and my vote on mig was bussing? given that it was the 5th of the 14 required to lynch him? Right. You are so obviously scum, it's too bad no one here is willing to pay any attention to it. | ||
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Pyo
United States738 Posts
On September 04 2011 22:56 Pyo wrote: And we have another person who either can't read or is choosing not to... and my vote on mig was bussing? given that it was the 5th of the 14 required to lynch him? Right. You are so obviously scum, it's too bad no one here is willing to pay any attention to it. Like how can you even say that my votes have just been following along? Are you serious? Any also why did you check Kurumi night 4? I had claimed early enough in the night that you could have checked me. Why not confirm that I was telling the truth about my role knowing that they couldn't roleblock us both? Well it's pretty obvious, you're scum. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=81#1615 ends with him voting mig and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=64#1273 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=76#1508 which seems small but was the important one to me because palmar is defending mig and I don't think if pyo was scum that he would try to contradict that and bring attention back to his scum-buddy obviously this whole thing is by no means air-tight but I for now am going to be looking more at others and don't think it's likely that pyo is scum. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 04 2011 23:01 Pyo wrote: Like how can you even say that my votes have just been following along? Are you serious? Any also why did you check Kurumi night 4? I had claimed early enough in the night that you could have checked me. Why not confirm that I was telling the truth about my role knowing that they couldn't roleblock us both? Well it's pretty obvious, you're scum. DTs are suppose to check people they're unsure about, at that point and time I already thought you mafia so there was no point to a check on you? Of course your vote was a follow on. Previously you mentioned mig ONCE: On August 24 2011 07:02 Pyo wrote: had no internet for a day... im caught up to page 55, gonna place my vote on Mig, but i might change it if I finish reading the thread before the deadline. Not only do you not give a reason for why you voted for him but you also give yourself an out: "I might change it if I finish reading the thread." Later on you I'm going to keep my vote on Mig. He's gone with the "I'm burned out on mafia" defense of his posting into one-liners, which is as scummy as anyone else here (except for DB's role claiming). That said, I don't think he's going to get enough votes to actually be lynched. with the only justification for your vote being "His "burned out mafia" defense is scummy" | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On September 04 2011 22:56 Pyo wrote:You are so obviously scum, it's too bad no one here is willing to pay any attention to it. Ahem. + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2011 22:38 xtfftc wrote: This sounds interesting and I'd like to read more of your thoughts on the issue. On September 04 2011 19:06 xtfftc wrote: It's not that Chaoser's claim isn't suspicious. On September 04 2011 22:08 xtfftc wrote: True. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Pyo flips DT - and he might even be sane. I'll make it clearer - if we end up lynching you and you flip DT, Chaoser is next. But I'm not comfortable with either for tonight. On September 04 2011 23:03 Navillus wrote: That's part but the whole post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=81#1615 ends with him voting mig and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=64#1273 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=76#1508 which seems small but was the important one to me because palmar is defending mig and I don't think if pyo was scum that he would try to contradict that and bring attention back to his scum-buddy obviously this whole thing is by no means air-tight but I for now am going to be looking more at others and don't think it's likely that pyo is scum. Welcome back, I like this post. Who do you plan to analyse next? | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
I'll make it clearer - if we end up lynching you and you flip DT, Chaoser is next. But I'm not comfortable with either for tonight. Why are you not comfortable with pyo's lynch? Who would you rather vote? He's not going to flip DT. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On September 05 2011 00:10 chaoser wrote: Why are you not comfortable with pyo's lynch? Who would you rather vote? He's not going to flip DT. wtf why is chaoser next if pyo flips DT? | ||
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Curu
Canada2817 Posts
Pyo says he is naive. He says so because he claimed he checked Vain green while chaoser got a Vain red. However, we know that bum framed Vain on the night chaoser checked him so assuming a sane chaoser Vain would have actually returned green to a sane DT. That means had Pyo actually thought it through he could not know that he is naive because no one that he had checked had flipped red yet. So why is he so sure that he is naive? Because one of his scumbuddies is in his "checks", so he scumslipped. He knows that one of them is red, so he knows if he were to claim DT it would be naive. At least one of Rayzor/Vain/Erandorr are scum, and his refusal to comment on any of them after I repeatedly asked him cements this. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
He build his case on Pyo around the idea that Pyo fake-claimed DT to get Vain killed - and yet Chaoser was the first one to do this. On August 31 2011 11:11 chaoser wrote: Let's hope only 1 of us died, it's not like they can change the kills anymore but I hope they double stacked me, gives us one more day. What is this? Giving advice to the mafia as to why they should not kill him? Surely if he believes that this is what's best for town; he wouldn't explain it to them why they should kill someone else. * This is a close call though. Foolishness, who was Watcher, was dead already, and WBG, who pretty much confirmed himself as Tracker, was targeted the same night, so I find it hard to believe that mafia were scared of visiting Chaoser. Still, it is a plausible explanation. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On September 05 2011 00:10 chaoser wrote: Why are you not comfortable with pyo's lynch? Who would you rather vote? He's not going to flip DT. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=107#2122 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=108#2158 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=111#2215 Basically his play looks more like a frustrated townie than a mafia. I'd rather lynch Rayzor or Navillus tonight - unless they post something intriguing by then. Could you share your thoughts on Rayzor, Chaoser? You've mentioned him a few times as an issue, yet never explained why or checked him. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
What is this? Giving advice to the mafia as to why they should not kill him? Surely if he believes that this is what's best for town; he wouldn't explain it to them why they should kill someone else. Look at the time stamp. I wrote that at 11:11. The cycle had already ended so I was merely expressing/responding back to wherebugsgo On August 31 2011 11:10 wherebugsgo wrote: I guess the good news is that, at most, only 2 of us can die I semi expected to die and so I wrote a throw-away line. Too many coincidences. 3 DTs in the game with some many blues dead already; checking Vain the night BB framed him; not being attacked both nights after claiming; being roleblocked only the second night*. He checked Kurumi but he didn't indicate that he was suspicious of Kurumi at all beforehand. The one Chaoser indicated as suspicious was VisceraEyes but he did not check him. Like I said previously about Vain check: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=110#2199 That is literally the only coincidence. You should go check what that word means cause you're using it wrong. Not being attacked by mafia is WIFOM, not coincidence. I didn't understand why I wasn't roleblocked the first night either but the way I reasoned it out is this: Mafia just lost nard to a watcher. They were down to 2 KP and had no idea what types of blues were out there. To double stack me if there was another watcher would basically mean losing 2 more mafia just like that. Roleblocking me would lead to 1 mafia being outted by a watcher. When they saw that a DT and tracker died that night, they realized there probably isn't another watcher so they roleblocked me the second night. I checked kurumi due to his previous palmer shot claim. At first I thought he wasn't that scummy but then after rereading I became a little more unsure so I checked him. I don't see how that's "unusual". Aside from this, how would you explain my major day one case against mig? I kept at it for two days with foolishness. Are you saying that I bussed one of my teammates hardcore knowing that they'd survive to past day 1? You still haven't answered my questions: Why are you not comfortable with pyo's lynch? Who would you rather vote? He's not going to flip DT. | ||
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Lucidity
South Africa603 Posts
On September 04 2011 23:08 chaoser wrote: DTs are suppose to check people they're unsure about, at that point and time I already thought you mafia so there was no point to a check on you? Wait, what? | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On September 05 2011 01:23 Navillus wrote: So was chaoser ever confirmed as DT and if so how? I'm looking through stuff but I can't find it and I'm seeing very little discussion on what seems like it would have been a rather important claim. I was never confirmed as a DT because the only real way to be 100% confirmed is to die. My "confirmation" only comes from the fact that 1) I pushed for mig's lynch from day 1 2) foolishness said he read through every one of my past games and thought I was town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174¤tpage=50#1000 and 3) My play so far has been "pro-town". Barundar caught wherebugsgo's last post and I reasoned and then argued with a few people that it's best to lynch bum because that gives us info on vain. (Vain btw is probably confirmed if you trust my check on him since I checked him, got red, and bum visited/framed him.) | ||
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