I did answer - I am not comfortable because I am not convinced that he is mafia and I would rather lynch Rayzor or Navillus. However, you did not answer me about Rayzor.

Pyo

United States738 Posts

September 04 2011 17:00 GMT

#2242

On September 05 2011 01:44 chaoser wrote:

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I was never confirmed as a DT because the only real way to be 100% confirmed is to die. My "confirmation" only comes from the fact that

1) I pushed for mig's lynch from day 1

2) foolishness said he read through every one of my past games and thought I was town:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&currentpage=50#1000

and

3) My play so far has been "pro-town". Barundar caught wherebugsgo's last post and I reasoned and then argued with a few people that it's best to lynch bum because that gives us info on vain. (Vain btw is probably confirmed if you trust my check on him since I checked him, got red, and bum visited/framed him.)

Look back through chaoser's posts. He says he pushed for Mig's lynch from day 1, but did he really now?
Here's the list of all of his posts.
His "push for Mig's lynch" wasn't until day 3 when several people were after Mig. In fact day 1 and 2 he was merely going along with Foolishness and provided no analysis of Mig to speak of.

day 1 posts regarding Mig:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10988862 (going along with foolishness)

day 2 posts regarding Mig:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11013124 (going along with foolishness)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=11018099

That's it from you as far as Mig is concerned. That's perfectly consistent with you and Mig distancing yourselves from each other.

Oh and don't forget this one:

On August 23 2011 12:33 chaoser wrote:
@mig, the only reason I'm not 100% all over your ass right now is because no one is coming to defend you at all which strikes me as odd and a bit doubtful of myself. I will continue to think on the matter

Gee, I wonder why no one was coming to defend him, maybe scum had decided to bus him perhaps?

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

September 04 2011 17:07 GMT

#2243

On September 05 2011 01:39 Lucidity wrote:
DTs are suppose to check people they're unsure about, at that point and time I already thought you mafia so there was no point to a check on you?

Wait, what?
[/QUOTE]

I might have misworded what I meant. Since it's late game now, it's important to find the mafia that are lurking. So I was checked kurumi because I had no idea what to think of him. Basically I first thought, earlier in the game, that he wasn't that suspicious, but then later, after reading the thread and rereading his posts, became suspicious. This back and forth of my reads on him confused me and so I decided to check him to settle the confusion.

wherebugsgo sums it up well here:

I didn't really think anything of kurumi until his claim. However, if you look at all his posts/actions, the only thing of significance is that he vigged Palmar. There is no way to discern whether he is a scum vig or a town vig.

Since there was no way for me to discern whether he was scum vig or town vig, I checked him. Pyo's claim along with his statements in terms of voting and his actions all gave me something to work with and so kurumi was a better check option over pyo.

I'd rather lynch Rayzor or Navillus tonight - unless they post something intriguing by then. Could you share your thoughts on Rayzor, Chaoser? You've mentioned him a few times as an issue, yet never explained why or checked him.

I actually think navillus is townie BECAUSE of his vote today on bumatlarge. If he was mafia he'd be a lot more informed since he has teammates and wouldn't have made that big a blunder. Once again though, that's WIFOM so take from it what you will.

For rayzor, it's his first mafia game. A lot of his actions feel like noob town to me. I had a null tell on him and I was actually checking his last night but sadly got blocked.

If you want to know my three mafia reads it's : Pyo, errandor, and VE.

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

September 04 2011 17:11 GMT

#2244

My major push for mig came on day 2, my bad, not day 3 with:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254174&currentpage=50#1000

As you can see, I lead that one, foolishness quoted and followed.

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

September 04 2011 17:12 GMT

#2245

Sorry that I wrote day 1, I was thinking day 1 since I pushed it as soon as I became free and I forgot that there was a day where I was at the ER and unable to be very active.

xtfftc

United Kingdom2343 Posts

September 04 2011 17:19 GMT

#2246

Why Errandor, and Viscera?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

September 04 2011 18:02 GMT

#2247

Because I haven't contributed shit, while promising to contribute. My reads have been wrong, and I've been playing a scummy game.

He's actually really good. Just wrong.

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

September 04 2011 18:36 GMT

#2248

Basically what VE just said for him. For errandor you'll see that he hasn't contributed much if you filter all his posts. Also a lot of his votes are basically "Yeah, he's scum". Add all this to the fake that Pyo "checked" him and came back green makes me suspect him. I am of the opinion that most of the scum team is lurking newbies.

chaoser

United States5541 Posts

September 04 2011 18:36 GMT

#2249

Why do you think Rayzorflash and navillus are mafia?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

September 04 2011 18:41 GMT

#2250

chaos13

Canada885 Posts

September 04 2011 19:26 GMT

#2251

On September 05 2011 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote:

Erandorr

2283 Posts

September 04 2011 20:35 GMT

#2252

Sorry that I haven`t posted much these last few days. I am so busy that I actually had to be replaced in Cosmic Horror (studies start in 2 weeks and I need to find a flat in a city thats 700 KM away.)

Chaoser, If I were Scum there would be no reason at all for Pyo to mention me Also look at the way I have argued if I had the time (which I think you did not)
I will try to be more active but don´t expect me to post 100 times over the next few days

supersoft

Germany3729 Posts

September 04 2011 21:48 GMT

#2253

guys, we have to lynch someone tonight...?!

Erandorr

2283 Posts

September 04 2011 22:00 GMT

#2254

its tonight? O.o I will post my thoughts as soon as I actually have any

Erandorr

2283 Posts

September 04 2011 22:01 GMT

#2255

way to waste my 500th :D

xtfftc

United Kingdom2343 Posts

September 04 2011 22:45 GMT

#2256

I'll be online for one more hour before voting.. Hoping for some miracle to happen and people to start posting.

For the record, I love it how Navillus appeared to explain why Pyo is not the person we should be lynching and then disappeared again without accusing anyone else.

xtfftc

United Kingdom2343 Posts

September 04 2011 22:45 GMT

#2257

P.S. I think that the mafia team has voted already ^^

Erandorr

2283 Posts

September 04 2011 23:00 GMT

#2258

xt do you think that pyo is scum ? Cause i sort of dont .

Erandorr

2283 Posts

September 04 2011 23:02 GMT

#2259

His claim was just too stupid to be done by SCUM and he defended himself okay ...

xtfftc

United Kingdom2343 Posts

September 04 2011 23:08 GMT

#2260

I thought that he is but then I realised I was just bandwagoning. I can imagine that some players would intentionally go for the dumb/frustrated play to trick the town into not lynching them but it is way too risky. I think that if we're going to lynch someone for not playing well, we should go for Rayzor.