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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On March 30 2012 06:18 MattBarry wrote: I wonder if Kespa will ban anyone who receives lessons if one of them ever chooses to go pro. Would be funny if the student manage to Royal Road an OSL. | ||
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PowerDes
United States520 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8152 Posts
On March 30 2012 04:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You'd be surprised. As an assistant tennis pro at the country club I teach at (during summers), I easily make $50+ hour giving private lessons, and I don't plan on going on tour at all. The head pros I've worked with make over $100/ hour, although they've had experience in the professional scene and whatnot. Granted, the tennis community is a bit richer than the gaming community, but it's all about finding how much money people are willing to spend and showing off how good of a professional and teacher you are, and marketing properly. I am a violionist and I charge at least 30 euros an hour. Some great teachers charge up to 150 euros, and most people find it way too expensive. The thing is that a great violinist who charge 150 euros or more an hour usually have skill and career achievements that would rather compare to a mixture of Flash, Jaedong and Bisu put together (that's how much talent, time and dedication you need to be a great virtuoso) rather than the one of a player who never even made it to Proleague or past a preliminary. Also the main thing is that the people who would pay that amount of money (that is still twice less than what Idra asks iirc) are themselves very advanced young professionals for whom playing is basically their whole life. Paying what, 300 dollars for an hour of online "coaching" by an unexperienced coach (because that's also something else, the great violin teacher that ask for twice less than Idra have usually been teaching for 30 years) and kinda half decent pro-gamer player (I am not saying here that Idra was bad, although at least as a Brood War player, I never thought he was the quarter of the worst A-team players in proleague) is just throwing money out the window. I find that insane. But well, as long as people make money... | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On March 30 2012 06:29 PowerDes wrote: Lets change the title from "Match Fixing" to "Zerg Bonjwa". He doesn't have claim to that title anymore. They took it away from him. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On March 30 2012 01:30 Sawamura wrote: I think the reason that is getting everyone all so work up is because Savior isn't just another no name player . Lots of time and money has been spent on promoting this guy to create the fan base for starcraft broodwar and now since he created the loophole for outside third party meddle in to what is suppose to be a "clean" sport . Not only he tainted the scene and destroyed every potential good players that were playing in the scene . He may also inadvertently killed the scene in a way because Savior/Hwasin/Upmagic do pull a lot of crowds and fans . That is a good point, Savior is only at a place where he can do this because of the support of the scene that he turned his back on. But at the same time, Savior made a lot of money for a lot of people as well (not the illegal gambling site, I mean like his team, MBC, OGN, etc) that probably far outweighed the amount of money that was spent to promote and market him. On March 30 2012 01:33 cLicK wrote: It doesen't. And I don't really care what Savior does now. But what gives him the right to use BW to make money. The excuse "this is all I know what to do" is disgusting. What about guys like go.go that can barely take care of themselves (Oldboy) How is that fair to them, the people he dragged into this mess. They have 0 skills as well. He's just lucky he had such a successful career or this wouldn't even work. He should just do his military service, people will forget about him, and he should just go to school and make a proper future for himself. Clinging on to BW after what he's done just b/c "its all I know" is crazy. Nothing wrong with streaming, but Im getting the impression he's actually using his BW fame and career to sustain himself completely. What gives you the right to tell him he can't use BW to make money? Let's be fair, none of us knows exactly what type of financial situation he is in; and education in Korean culture from most other nations. Could one even get into a decent school in Korea with a criminal background? Someone earlier in this thread used baseball as a comparison; and I think that actually is a pretty good example. If say hypothetically, Barry Bonds (someone who many in the US feel damaged Major League Baseball with his rampant use of illegal performanced enhancing drugs and subsequent breaking of MLB records) decides that he wants to start selling baseball lessons to minor and college league players; I am sure there would be outrage by some. Many feel he "cheated" to break Hank Aaron's record and many still feel that he is a disgrace to the sport. But realistically, the opportunity to take lessons with someone as talented as Bonds could be potentially invaluableto an up and coming player, clearly he has a lot of talent and knowledge about the game that few others do. (it takes more than just strength to hit that many homers) Others may just do it for a chance to meet Bonds. Even if he were doing it for pure financial gain, the result could be quite positive and in all honestly doesn't cause MLB or anyone else any additional harm. And if Barry Bonds doesn't offer lessons, that doesn't undo the damage he did to Major League Baseball; it doesn't change the records he broke using while illegal drugs. It doesn't change the opinions of thousands of former fans or myself. I think the situation with Savior is no different. Yes, he did irrevocable damage to the scene, yes, he put his selfish greed above the fans. Yes, he betrayed a lot of people. But realistically what's the potential harm here? His lifetime ban from Kespa seems ironclad, so what's the harm if people want to pay him in exchange for some personal lessons? Who does that really hurt? While I realize many people will forever remain dissappointed in him, the community doesn't "own" BW, just like I don't own baseball. If Barry Bonds wants to start selling signed baseballs on Ebay, there's not a darn thing I can do to stop him, no matter how I may feel about him. At some point I have to accept that and just move on. | ||
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:50 oBlade wrote: One time I told my mother I was going to study the classics, but I studied math instead. It's his life, haven't you ever changed your mind before? I don't think people were fixing matches in 2007, didn't web betting of games take off a bit later? Besides, the prize money for a final is a LOT. The financial justification for fixing matches is that you can make more off the ones that don't matter. Not the damn sets that determine whether you get a tens of thousands of dollars prize. Bisu simply won that day. Do you think I have problem with people changing their mind? Not really. But if you read what I actually quoted, then you will understand why I reposted that. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 30 2012 06:30 Kralic wrote: He doesn't have claim to that title anymore. They took it away from him. Who in the world are "they"? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8152 Posts
Yeah, since Bonjwa is a fan-made unofficial title, I don't really see... | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1717 Posts
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On March 30 2012 06:42 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yeah, since Bonjwa is a fan-made unofficial title, I don't really see... That is why I used the word they, because there is no way of actually proving that anyone took away a title that is not official. I do disagree with changing the title to say Bonjwa instead of Match Fixing. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 30 2012 06:45 Kralic wrote: That is why I used the word they, because there is no way of actually proving that anyone took away a title that is not official. I give up. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
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gds
Iceland1391 Posts
Savior <3 you can do what the fuck you wanna do! And red cards for the TL censors aka 'the flawless human beings' for having his stream banned here  | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
I give up as well. Sorry if I do not meet your posting standard about your hero. | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
On March 30 2012 05:56 PassiveAce wrote: The funniest part of this is the price, remember when idra charged in the hundreds per hour? lol. I'm not sure you can directly compare the prices. I mean, the lifestyles and costs are so drastically different between the US and Korea that it just isn't possible to make a direct comparison. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On March 30 2012 06:49 Dental Floss wrote: I'm not sure you can directly compare the prices. I mean, the lifestyles and costs are so drastically different between the US and Korea that it just isn't possible to make a direct comparison. FFS. You guys do realize that Idra charges those prices because he doesn't want to give lessons to a thousand-million people? Yes a thousand-million He's using the high price as a deterrent, not as a self-value of his time. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On March 30 2012 02:30 Corsica wrote: 25$ seems like a gift, even all those idras incontrols and destinys charge way more....so to get this price from Savior himself seems like a gift from heaven It ain't even cheap . I had piano lessons for 30 - 35 dollars for a month 2 hours per week . And i learned a heck of a lot more in that area then anyone could ever teach me in SC2 . In the end both SC2 and piano is all about practice . You have replays you have vods . You can mimic the builds the pros use adding your own variation or just make your own builds . Paying for starcraft lessons is a fucking rip off if you ask me , but at least Savior is charging cheaper then what nonsence i have seen from SC2 coaches and there is basically no better BW zerg coach out there . | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On March 30 2012 06:48 Kralic wrote: I give up as well. Sorry if I do not meet your posting standard about your hero. This is why these threads are retarded. If you point out just how stupid someone's post is, then they immediately label you as their opposition. Across two pages I've been accused of being a "bisu fan" (anti-Savior) and as a Savior worshiper. You guys are fucking stupid as all hell. | ||
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