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On October 09 2011 09:42 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:40 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:38 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. I have no nationalistic bias. My brother, as I have stated, was one of the District Commanders of the Military Police in Seoul. He handled cases such as this and I can tell you, these incidences are rare, and the perpetrators do not go unpunished by the military even if they are released, as long as there is sufficient evidence to confirm their guilt(which there is, in this case). I'm one hundred percent positive that even your anecdotal evidence will confirm that the 'punishments' are a joke and magnitudes less severe than those dealt to civilians. lol, Jesus Christ. Isn't there a protest in NYC you should be heading to?
I am the one percent.
I'm sorry you immediately assume than anyone who calls your out on your bullshit is a bleeding-heart liberal.
I'm also probably more conservative and pro-hegemony than you are. I'm just intellectually honest about my arguments.
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On October 09 2011 09:43 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:36 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future? It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide. Let me try to get through to you: The same thing happened in Okinawa: The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so. The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA). On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction. Does that sound like justice to you? Is this the part where I explain that a single incident doesn't prove, well, much of anything? Yesterday the Brewers won their game. I guess that means next year they'll win if they're in a similar situation. Do I think justice will be served? No, but that's only because the "justice" some people have called for is chemical castration and other ludicrous assessments. There are emotions and short of execution of these individuals, there will be upset people. I establish a pattern of behavior regarding the handling these types of events, and you dismiss them as 'single incidents'. Can you get more ridiculous?
All of those military prisons don't actually exist, They're actually made of cardboard and don't house US soldiers. They've never been found guilty of anything. Ever.
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On October 09 2011 09:40 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:38 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. I have no nationalistic bias. My brother, as I have stated, was one of the District Commanders of the Military Police in Seoul. He handled cases such as this and I can tell you, these incidences are rare, and the perpetrators do not go unpunished by the military even if they are released, as long as there is sufficient evidence to confirm their guilt(which there is, in this case). I'm one hundred percent positive that even your anecdotal evidence will confirm that the 'punishments' are a joke and magnitudes less severe than those dealt to civilians.
I'm sure that the testimony of someone I've known my entire life is anecdotal, who just happened to be one of the police commanders in the army. I'm not going to give his name, as that would be a gross irresponsibility on my part(not to mention that I would consequently give my own), but I truly find that he is a reliable source.
I am not sure as to why you are so sure of your position, as you certainly feel about mine. Can we not agree to disagree in this regard?
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On October 09 2011 09:43 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:36 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future? It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide. Let me try to get through to you: The same thing happened in Okinawa: The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so. The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA). On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction. Does that sound like justice to you? Is this the part where I explain that a single incident doesn't prove, well, much of anything? Yesterday the Brewers won their game. I guess that means next year they'll win if they're in a similar situation. Do I think justice will be served? No, but that's only because the "justice" some people have called for is chemical castration and other ludicrous assessments. There are emotions and short of execution of these individuals, there will be upset people. I establish a pattern of behavior regarding the handling these types of events, and you dismiss them as 'single incidents'. Can you get more ridiculous?
You have a handful of incident that may or may not prove your point. Whats your sample size? What about the cases that don't support your side at all? How many rape cases of US personal overseas are covered up or poorly investigated? By the way your writing, your imply the US is actively protecting rapist. That's dumber than 9/11 conspiracy's, because even those have some semblance of fact.
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On October 09 2011 09:47 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:42 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:40 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:38 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. I have no nationalistic bias. My brother, as I have stated, was one of the District Commanders of the Military Police in Seoul. He handled cases such as this and I can tell you, these incidences are rare, and the perpetrators do not go unpunished by the military even if they are released, as long as there is sufficient evidence to confirm their guilt(which there is, in this case). I'm one hundred percent positive that even your anecdotal evidence will confirm that the 'punishments' are a joke and magnitudes less severe than those dealt to civilians. lol, Jesus Christ. Isn't there a protest in NYC you should be heading to? I am the one percent. I'm sorry you immediately assume than anyone who calls your out on your bullshit is a bleeding-heart liberal. I'm also probably more conservative and pro-hegemony than you are. I'm just intellectually honest about my arguments.
Calls out my bullshit!? LOL What bullshit? My opinion that the rape of two teenagers shouldn't be used to further some political position?
You're either trolling, a child, or an underdeveloped adult. I'm not quite sure which one because your posts have such a varying degree of intellect.
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On October 09 2011 09:47 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:42 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:40 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:38 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. I have no nationalistic bias. My brother, as I have stated, was one of the District Commanders of the Military Police in Seoul. He handled cases such as this and I can tell you, these incidences are rare, and the perpetrators do not go unpunished by the military even if they are released, as long as there is sufficient evidence to confirm their guilt(which there is, in this case). I'm one hundred percent positive that even your anecdotal evidence will confirm that the 'punishments' are a joke and magnitudes less severe than those dealt to civilians. lol, Jesus Christ. Isn't there a protest in NYC you should be heading to? I am the one percent. I'm sorry you immediately assume than anyone who calls your out on your bullshit is a bleeding-heart liberal. I'm also probably more conservative and pro-hegemony than you are. I'm just intellectually honest about my arguments.
I would not go so far as to call another's opinion "bullshit" regardless of difference. Nor would I criticize you in such a manner.
The two ends of the spectrum are critical of US foreign policy and for it. I ascribe to to the former, yet I feel as though this situation does not warrant the attention that it has received here.
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On October 09 2011 09:49 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:47 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:42 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:40 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:38 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:
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That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue.
This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world.
It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior.
It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial.
Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. I have no nationalistic bias. My brother, as I have stated, was one of the District Commanders of the Military Police in Seoul. He handled cases such as this and I can tell you, these incidences are rare, and the perpetrators do not go unpunished by the military even if they are released, as long as there is sufficient evidence to confirm their guilt(which there is, in this case). I'm one hundred percent positive that even your anecdotal evidence will confirm that the 'punishments' are a joke and magnitudes less severe than those dealt to civilians. lol, Jesus Christ. Isn't there a protest in NYC you should be heading to? I am the one percent. I'm sorry you immediately assume than anyone who calls your out on your bullshit is a bleeding-heart liberal. I'm also probably more conservative and pro-hegemony than you are. I'm just intellectually honest about my arguments. Calls out my bullshit!? LOL What bullshit? My opinion that the rape of two teenagers shouldn't be used to further some political position? You're either trolling, a child, or an underdeveloped adult. I'm not quite sure which one because your posts have such a varying degree of intellect.
If you're not trying to bash America, you're clearly anti-justice, and fueling the fires of discrimination. Shame on you.
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On October 09 2011 06:03 rockerman101 wrote:
god its horrible that we have soldiers doing this shit
This happens in the US on our military bases too and the sad part is it usually gets swept under the rug with little more than a slap on the wrist for the offender.
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On October 09 2011 09:48 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:43 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:36 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:
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That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue.
This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world.
It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior.
It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial.
Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future? It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide. Let me try to get through to you: The same thing happened in Okinawa: The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so. The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA). On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction. Does that sound like justice to you? Is this the part where I explain that a single incident doesn't prove, well, much of anything? Yesterday the Brewers won their game. I guess that means next year they'll win if they're in a similar situation. Do I think justice will be served? No, but that's only because the "justice" some people have called for is chemical castration and other ludicrous assessments. There are emotions and short of execution of these individuals, there will be upset people. I establish a pattern of behavior regarding the handling these types of events, and you dismiss them as 'single incidents'. Can you get more ridiculous? You have a handful of incident that may or may not prove your point. Whats your sample size? What about the cases that don't support your side at all? How many rape cases of US personal overseas are covered up or poorly investigated? By the way your writing, your imply the US is actively protecting rapist. That's dumber than 9/11 conspiracy's, because even those have some semblance of fact.
Dumber than 9/11 conspiracy's huh.
Brilliant metaphor.
Oh yeah, that reminds me: Because 9/11 ONLY HAPPENED ONCE, there is no STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT evidence that terrorists have been trying to attack the United States these past two decades.
Please. Please, give up this line of thinking before you ruin us all.
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On October 09 2011 09:43 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:36 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future? It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide. Let me try to get through to you: The same thing happened in Okinawa: The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so. The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA). On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction. Does that sound like justice to you? Is this the part where I explain that a single incident doesn't prove, well, much of anything? Yesterday the Brewers won their game. I guess that means next year they'll win if they're in a similar situation. Do I think justice will be served? No, but that's only because the "justice" some people have called for is chemical castration and other ludicrous assessments. There are emotions and short of execution of these individuals, there will be upset people. I establish a pattern of behavior regarding the handling these types of events, and you dismiss them as 'single incidents'. Can you get more ridiculous?
Your logical reasoning is flawed. Where is your pattern? I see two incidents that have not yet come to trial, and another in another country that currently has no military relation to the other except regional.
I do dismiss them. Find a public study that shows numerous reports of behavior such as this in Korea that cannot be dismissed as "anecdotal", as you have dismissed arguments against your own.
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On October 09 2011 09:52 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 06:03 rockerman101 wrote:
god its horrible that we have soldiers doing this shit This happens in the US on our military bases too and the sad part is it usually gets swept under the rug with little more than a slap on the wrist for the offender.
Funny, while I was getting my medical discharge, we had a guy going through a dishonorable discharge, confined to quarters, registered as a sex offender, losing his benefits, getting his pay docked. And that was them going light on him.
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On October 09 2011 09:29 ownyaah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:28 JingleHell wrote:On October 09 2011 09:24 TriO wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? How would you like it if China had bases in America and began to rape our women? I don't really give a shit who does it, rape is fucking rape. Pun intended. People aren't saying ignore rape, they're saying that no matter who does it, it's bad, and making a big deal out of a specific case to make a political point is stupid. do you know that rape is biologicaly healthy? it is like saying, dont eat vegitables they are good for you
Um...what?
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On October 09 2011 09:53 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:48 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:43 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:36 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:
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Okay so,
Men rape women
Soldiers rape women
American soldiers rape Asian women
American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women.
Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry.
Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future? It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide. Let me try to get through to you: The same thing happened in Okinawa: The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so. The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA). On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction. Does that sound like justice to you? Is this the part where I explain that a single incident doesn't prove, well, much of anything? Yesterday the Brewers won their game. I guess that means next year they'll win if they're in a similar situation. Do I think justice will be served? No, but that's only because the "justice" some people have called for is chemical castration and other ludicrous assessments. There are emotions and short of execution of these individuals, there will be upset people. I establish a pattern of behavior regarding the handling these types of events, and you dismiss them as 'single incidents'. Can you get more ridiculous? You have a handful of incident that may or may not prove your point. Whats your sample size? What about the cases that don't support your side at all? How many rape cases of US personal overseas are covered up or poorly investigated? By the way your writing, your imply the US is actively protecting rapist. That's dumber than 9/11 conspiracy's, because even those have some semblance of fact. Dumber than 9/11 conspiracy's huh. Brilliant metaphor. Oh yeah, that reminds me: Because 9/11 ONLY HAPPENED ONCE, there is no STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT evidence that terrorists have been trying to attack the United States these past two decades. Please. Please, give up this line of thinking before you ruin us all.
Okay so show me all of the cases of soldiers raping people in the last 50 years, and then show me all of the coverups. I doubt you actually grasp what a statistical significance is, since it's not sporadic correlation to a laughable theory. And the idea that the US knew more about 9/11 than it lets on is absolutely more plausible than the military is actively engaged in protecting rapists.
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On October 09 2011 09:55 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:52 Skullflower wrote:On October 09 2011 06:03 rockerman101 wrote:
god its horrible that we have soldiers doing this shit This happens in the US on our military bases too and the sad part is it usually gets swept under the rug with little more than a slap on the wrist for the offender. Funny, while I was getting my medical discharge, we had a guy going through a dishonorable discharge, confined to quarters, registered as a sex offender, losing his benefits, getting his pay docked. And that was them going light on him.
JingleHell, his argument states that your medical discharge from crohn's and my brother's having been a district commander in Seoul are anecdotes that he cannot confirm.
That being said, he is also making statements of multiple incidences that also could be called such.
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On October 09 2011 09:57 PraetorialGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:55 JingleHell wrote:On October 09 2011 09:52 Skullflower wrote:On October 09 2011 06:03 rockerman101 wrote:
god its horrible that we have soldiers doing this shit This happens in the US on our military bases too and the sad part is it usually gets swept under the rug with little more than a slap on the wrist for the offender. Funny, while I was getting my medical discharge, we had a guy going through a dishonorable discharge, confined to quarters, registered as a sex offender, losing his benefits, getting his pay docked. And that was them going light on him. JingleHell, his argument states that your medical discharge from crohn's and my brother's having been a district commander in Seoul are anecdotes that he cannot confirm. That being said, he is also making statements of multiple incidences that also could be called such.
Actually, mines very confirmable, I just happen to be too lazy to scan my DD214 and remove all my personal info.
Although really, until the guys involved are found guilty, their rape is anecdotal too, so why is everyone so ready to believe that?
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On October 09 2011 09:59 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:57 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:55 JingleHell wrote:On October 09 2011 09:52 Skullflower wrote:On October 09 2011 06:03 rockerman101 wrote:
god its horrible that we have soldiers doing this shit This happens in the US on our military bases too and the sad part is it usually gets swept under the rug with little more than a slap on the wrist for the offender. Funny, while I was getting my medical discharge, we had a guy going through a dishonorable discharge, confined to quarters, registered as a sex offender, losing his benefits, getting his pay docked. And that was them going light on him. JingleHell, his argument states that your medical discharge from crohn's and my brother's having been a district commander in Seoul are anecdotes that he cannot confirm. That being said, he is also making statements of multiple incidences that also could be called such. Actually, mines very confirmable, I just happen to be too lazy to scan my DD214 and remove all my personal info. Although really, until the guys involved are found guilty, their rape is anecdotal too, so why is everyone so ready to believe that?
As is mine, being that my brother's being in command is well documented, and accessible if I jsut gave a name. I wouldn't call the rapes "anecdotal", but I would call them "comparatively insignificant".
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On October 09 2011 09:51 PraetorialGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:47 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:42 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:40 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:38 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:
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That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue.
This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world.
It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior.
It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial.
Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. I have no nationalistic bias. My brother, as I have stated, was one of the District Commanders of the Military Police in Seoul. He handled cases such as this and I can tell you, these incidences are rare, and the perpetrators do not go unpunished by the military even if they are released, as long as there is sufficient evidence to confirm their guilt(which there is, in this case). I'm one hundred percent positive that even your anecdotal evidence will confirm that the 'punishments' are a joke and magnitudes less severe than those dealt to civilians. lol, Jesus Christ. Isn't there a protest in NYC you should be heading to? I am the one percent. I'm sorry you immediately assume than anyone who calls your out on your bullshit is a bleeding-heart liberal. I'm also probably more conservative and pro-hegemony than you are. I'm just intellectually honest about my arguments. I would not go so far as to call another's opinion "bullshit" regardless of difference. Nor would I criticize you in such a manner. The two ends of the spectrum are critical of US foreign policy and for it. I ascribe to to the former, yet I feel as though this situation does not warrant the attention that it has received here.
It blows my mind to see critical matters of foreign policy dismissed as though it were tabloid trash.
The US risks losing both Korean and Japan to this sort bullshit, if they're not careful.
Asian public sentiment is a goddamn force of nature. Like I said before: THE PRIME MINSTER OF JAPAN resigned simply because he could not remove the Okinawa base.
It's simply not natural for the United States to have such an intrusive presence in counties like SK and Japan. That it is able to maintain such a presence is a testament its hard power ALONE.
These teenagers can't see the significance of the Korean public outrage, because they're narrow-minded sophomores who evaluate everything from their pedestrian point of view.
'Rape is Rape, lol, it's not statistically significant"
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On October 09 2011 10:01 PraetorialGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:59 JingleHell wrote:On October 09 2011 09:57 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:55 JingleHell wrote:On October 09 2011 09:52 Skullflower wrote:On October 09 2011 06:03 rockerman101 wrote:
god its horrible that we have soldiers doing this shit This happens in the US on our military bases too and the sad part is it usually gets swept under the rug with little more than a slap on the wrist for the offender. Funny, while I was getting my medical discharge, we had a guy going through a dishonorable discharge, confined to quarters, registered as a sex offender, losing his benefits, getting his pay docked. And that was them going light on him. JingleHell, his argument states that your medical discharge from crohn's and my brother's having been a district commander in Seoul are anecdotes that he cannot confirm. That being said, he is also making statements of multiple incidences that also could be called such. Actually, mines very confirmable, I just happen to be too lazy to scan my DD214 and remove all my personal info. Although really, until the guys involved are found guilty, their rape is anecdotal too, so why is everyone so ready to believe that? As is mine, being that my brother's being in command is well documented, and accessible if I jsut gave a name. I wouldn't call the rapes "anecdotal", but I would call them "comparatively insignificant".
Yeah, his DD214, ORB, OER, or roughly a dozen other documents would prove it. They're just a bitch to cover up the personal info on.
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