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On October 09 2011 09:10 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:07 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed his point entirely. Let me TL:DR it for you. This thread only existed because the incident happened in Korea. TL is a site heavily used by people who follow Korean gaming tournaments, many of us liking Korean culture as well. If this had been in any other country, no one would have cared, because Korea is the only country that most of us here associate with as a whole. That being said, I think that this should not warrant the attention it does, as things like this ahppen in any city in the world. If we are to judge this to be a symptom of a greater issue(the presence of US troops in Korea), then we must equally judge the numerous rapes in all countries to be a sign of worldwide social degradation, which obviously is not the case. Do you know that Yukio Yatoyama literally resigned over a similar issue in the face of similar public anger? Jesus Christ. What is with these masses of people claiming that a story 'doesn't warrant the attention is does'. Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean a story isn't important.
It's a hot button issue... but nothing will come of it. If I thought a single, relevent change in US foreign policy or troop deployment would change because of a rape then I'd care... but nothing will change.
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On October 09 2011 05:23 jANii_ wrote:
heard a rumor that south korea will react to this by taking a fast gold and do a +2 timing push
User was temp banned for this post.
I'm sorry, that IS fucked up but LMFAO!
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On October 09 2011 09:08 ddrddrddrddr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 07:13 deadlywaffle wrote:On October 09 2011 06:42 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Why are people making excuses? These aren't normal people, these are professional soldiers stationed by a foreign country. When things like these happen, it will not be looked upon as a crime by a simple person, as a representative of a body. It does not matter that they are not because the racial and political divide between the populace and these people will allow demonization across the gap. Why are soldiers not considered normal people? Have you ever served? You do know that the U.S. military in a way acts like a corporation. You have people working for other people, that applies everywhere. What makes them different? Just because they can shoot a gun? What do you define as a normal person? I don't see how these two soldiers are "representatives of a body". That's basically saying that they represent America as the "lets go to other foreign countries just to rape the women". Your logic is the same reason why people in America generalize blacks/mexicans for crimes. The people in charge of those soldiers already issued an apology and will deal with the situation accordingly. Just wait and see if they are truly guilty or not. I don't need to serve. Certain positions comes with certain expectations. Your analogy to racism is just stupid. What you're saying is that I should treat soldiers same as a random member of the American Gun Association. The soldiers come with training and discipline that separates them from normal people. Otherwise there is no reason to afford respect to soldiers.
My brother was a military police district commander in Seoul for several months. While serving there, he encountered numerous situations where he had to deal with drunken brawlers, out-of-control drivers, and other such incidences in or near Seoul's military base. He did not see any reports of rape, and very few crimes more serious than rape(which, I might add, are a lot more common). As effectively the police commander in his district, I cannot see any way that this was anything other than an isolated case.
I believe that many people are unfairly treating the United States military in this thread. While it is undoubtable that rape occurs worldwide, committed by US soldiers near military bases, it is also true that rape occurs in every single major city worldwide, with no exceptions, much more frequently. It is a certainty that these soldiers will be brought to justice, I know that much(again, from my brother, who is still serving as an officer in the MPs).
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On October 09 2011 09:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:10 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:07 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed his point entirely. Let me TL:DR it for you. This thread only existed because the incident happened in Korea. TL is a site heavily used by people who follow Korean gaming tournaments, many of us liking Korean culture as well. If this had been in any other country, no one would have cared, because Korea is the only country that most of us here associate with as a whole. That being said, I think that this should not warrant the attention it does, as things like this ahppen in any city in the world. If we are to judge this to be a symptom of a greater issue(the presence of US troops in Korea), then we must equally judge the numerous rapes in all countries to be a sign of worldwide social degradation, which obviously is not the case. Do you know that Yukio Yatoyama literally resigned over a similar issue in the face of similar public anger? Jesus Christ. What is with these masses of people claiming that a story 'doesn't warrant the attention is does'. Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean a story isn't important. It's a hot button issue... but nothing will come of it. If I thought a single, relevent change in US foreign policy or troop deployment would change because of a rape then I'd care... but nothing will change.
You're looking at the wrong country.
Korean policy, not US, is under pressure to change due to these sorts of incidents.
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On October 09 2011 09:12 Psychobabas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. I was thinking the same thing. But then again this site has many american-koreans so I guess they care more about the big bad white guy. Im totally with you dude. Nobody would give 2 shits if I posted of a gang-rape incident in central London. Meh...
Yeah, quite a few of us have been wondering about that. But hey, the only time rape is newsworthy is when it creates an opportunity for discrimination against a nation for the actions of a few.
We should make threads for all kinds of atrocities throughout history, all over the world, so people can country bash freely. Dibs on the Holocaust. Oooh, I know, someone do Columbine so that gun owners can all be mass murderers. And don't forget Waco and the Branch Davidians, so that Texans can all be cultist nutjobs!
Does anyone else remember all the outcry against a 9/11 anniversary thread, on account of nobody else giving a rats ass, and America deserved it, and whatever else got said? But hey, when it's America that can look bad, lump em all together!
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On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school?
Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world?
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On October 09 2011 09:22 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:12 Psychobabas wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. I was thinking the same thing. But then again this site has many american-koreans so I guess they care more about the big bad white guy. Im totally with you dude. Nobody would give 2 shits if I posted of a gang-rape incident in central London. Meh... Yeah, quite a few of us have been wondering about that. But hey, the only time rape is newsworthy is when it creates an opportunity for discrimination against a nation for the actions of a few. We should make threads for all kinds of atrocities throughout history, all over the world, so people can country bash freely. Dibs on the Holocaust. Oooh, I know, someone do Columbine so that gun owners can all be mass murderers. And don't forget Waco and the Branch Davidians, so that Texans can all be cultist nutjobs! Does anyone else remember all the outcry against a 9/11 anniversary thread, on account of nobody else giving a rats ass, and America deserved it, and whatever else got said? But hey, when it's America that can look bad, lump em all together!
I'll reserve the genocide of Columbus. In all seriousness, everyone should read this before posting, as it basically sums up what I and other have been trying to get across for the past few pages.
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On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world?
How would you like it if China had bases in America and began to rape our women?
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On October 09 2011 09:18 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:10 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:07 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed his point entirely. Let me TL:DR it for you. This thread only existed because the incident happened in Korea. TL is a site heavily used by people who follow Korean gaming tournaments, many of us liking Korean culture as well. If this had been in any other country, no one would have cared, because Korea is the only country that most of us here associate with as a whole. That being said, I think that this should not warrant the attention it does, as things like this ahppen in any city in the world. If we are to judge this to be a symptom of a greater issue(the presence of US troops in Korea), then we must equally judge the numerous rapes in all countries to be a sign of worldwide social degradation, which obviously is not the case. Do you know that Yukio Yatoyama literally resigned over a similar issue in the face of similar public anger? Jesus Christ. What is with these masses of people claiming that a story 'doesn't warrant the attention is does'. Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean a story isn't important. It's a hot button issue... but nothing will come of it. If I thought a single, relevent change in US foreign policy or troop deployment would change because of a rape then I'd care... but nothing will change. You're looking at the wrong country. Korean policy, not US, is under pressure to change due to these sorts of incidents.
Not to sound condescending, but Korean policy toward's the US is whatever the US wants. It's not really a bad thing, it just is what it is. The public might demonize the US or its soldiers, but it's unlikely the politicians will actually be as short-sighted as to allow the transgressions of some soldiers effect the safety of their country and relations with the US.
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On October 09 2011 09:24 TriO wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? How would you like it if China had bases in America and began to rape our women?
I WOULD CARE BECAUSE I'M AMERICAN. WHY WOULD SOME DUDE IN HONDURAS CARE? HE WOULDN'T. BECAUSE HES HONDURAN.
and it's not he doesn't care about people being raped, that's fucking stupid. He just doesn't care about someone being raped in another country, because it happens every day. Sorry, but there isn't anything particularly special about this case, other than the fact that it happened in Korea.
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On October 09 2011 09:24 TriO wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? How would you like it if China had bases in America and began to rape our women?
women are independent, they dont need mens help and men are all pigs right? iso invasion into america cuz epeen is to high
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On October 09 2011 09:24 TriO wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? How would you like it if China had bases in America and began to rape our women?
I don't really give a shit who does it, rape is fucking rape. Pun intended. People aren't saying ignore rape, they're saying that no matter who does it, it's bad, and making a big deal out of a specific case to make a political point is stupid.
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On October 09 2011 09:26 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:24 TriO wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? How would you like it if China had bases in America and began to rape our women? I WOULD CARE BECAUSE I'M AMERICAN. WHY WOULD SOME DUDE IN HONDURAS CARE? HE WOULDN'T. BECAUSE HES HONDURAN. and it's not he doesn't care about people being raped, that's fucking stupid. He just doesn't care about someone being raped in another country, because it happens every day. Sorry, but there isn't anything particularly special about this case, other than the fact that it happened in Korea.
Injustice anywhere dimishes justice everywhere. We're all members of this world so it's not like something that happens somewhere else is completely irrelevant.
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On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world?
You fucking tell me.
Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?
Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there?
Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly.
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On October 09 2011 09:28 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:24 TriO wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? How would you like it if China had bases in America and began to rape our women? I don't really give a shit who does it, rape is fucking rape. Pun intended. People aren't saying ignore rape, they're saying that no matter who does it, it's bad, and making a big deal out of a specific case to make a political point is stupid.
do you know that rape is biologicaly healthy? it is like saying, dont eat vegitables they are good for you
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On October 09 2011 05:38 Neeh wrote:
Woha, suprised at the ammount of soldiers the US got stuffed all over, for over 60 year old conflicts. You'd think they would start to trickle it down abit over such a long time..
As part of the Japanese Constitution, it is the US's job to fight wars for them. Japan is only permitted to defend themselves, not to be the aggressor.
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People just jump on these things to vent about there pathetic little political opinions. No one gives a shit about the actually crime.
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On October 09 2011 09:14 ampson wrote:
Typical use of media to fuel anti-American sentiments. In the USA, there are 28 rapes per 100,000 people. Now, 3/10 of 28 is 8.4. And 3/10 of 100,000 is 30,000, which happens to be the approximate amount of US forces stationed in SK. 2 cases of rape is actually ~75% lower than the average rate of rape in the US, which IMO says good things about the American soldiers there...
Yes, shitty stuff like this happens. No, it does not represent the whole of the US military or the USA itself.
How can you be so ignorant and put american soldiers stationed in south korea in the same position as american citizens in america. I'm not saying every soldier in SK is a rapist, but they do represent america and they are way more than just some american in SK.
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