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On October 09 2011 08:34 darkscream wrote:
Maybe america shouldn't have 20-50k troops in every goddamned country. that might help with the soldiers raping the natives.
it isnt about the rape or w/e, it is about having 50000 - 1milion men in every country in the world and supporting it. A man with a fucking wepon follows orders and these orders in this case is from all the american citizens RIGHT? when u force a man to live in another country to kill and be stripped of all his human rights? can you still judge his actions? ye i guess u can or atleast do
people dont know what war means, an invasion needs to happen to america. the epeen of them has become like terran on 3-4 bases
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Oh and it's really simple why the US military is in Korea, it's because the people in power in Korea want it that way. I'm not talking about the average Koren citizen who may have a dissenting opinion, but it's quite obvious that the Korean military and to an extent the government wants the US to remain in the region. Not that we'd just leave if they asked, but this whole concept that we're unwelcome is silly. Unwelcome by the people perhaps, but I doubt by anyone who matters politically.
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They should start decommissioning bases left over from World War 2 or the Cold War. Might help to cut down military spending and the debt issue.
I mean, Okinawa? Germany? Some random small pacific islands? Korea?
Do they really need bases there anymore?
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Bleh...I hate to admit this but this is a blessing in disguise to my political agenda...
I am a horrible person.
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On October 09 2011 08:39 Loanshark wrote:
They should start decommissioning bases left over from World War 2 or the Cold War. Might help to cut down military spending and the debt issue.
I mean, Okinawa? Germany? Some random small pacific islands? Korea?
Do they really need bases there anymore?
My great uncle, Donald Gregg who was a former US ambassador to South Korea said that arm companies love it when the US put military bases in other countries. For one, you get a new chain of command, You add one more general and it branches out from there and two, more troops need to be deployed and there will be a greater demand for weapons and equipment.
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On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident.
That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue.
This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world.
It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior.
It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial.
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On October 09 2011 08:33 APurpleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 08:21 Zocat wrote:On October 09 2011 06:27 APurpleCow wrote:On October 09 2011 06:12 Ocedic wrote:On October 09 2011 06:06 APurpleCow wrote:To be honest, I don't really see what the big deal is... Unless I'm reading this wrong, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States says there are ~28 cases of rape in the US/100,000 people per year. With 30,000 soldiers there, some rapes will occur. So you're okay with US soldiers committing crimes in other countries because "boys will be boys?" You're saying "US soldiers", which almost implies that these men's actions were condoned by the US military. If you took 30,000 korean men at random, they probably commit just as many, if not more, rapes than the US soldiers do. To use these rapes to fuel anti-American sentiments is pretty ridiculous. No, they're not: "(2) In 2005, the forcible rape rate for the United States was approximately four times higher than the rate for Korea." http://ataglance.wordpress.com/2006/12/24/rape-rate-in-south-korea-1990-2005/ You misunderstand my meaning. A comparison between the % occurrence of rape between US soldiers in Korea and Koreans, not between USA citizens and Korean citizens.
AH ok, sorry my bad :/
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How are some of you even wondering why this is such a deal? You missed the time in which the image of the US Army changed from protectors and saviors towards something terrible that no one could possibly want in his country?
It is probably one of the most hated organizations on earth, of course people gonna take this serious.
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One of my bros served in South Korea as an MP. To my knowledge, he did encounter many acts of drunken violence, but nothing like this. Since he was a district commander, I would think that he would have noticed something like this. In my opinion, incidents like this are unavoidable and can only be solved through better discipline on base, which is the function of the MPs.
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On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial.
Okay so,
Men rape women
Soldiers rape women
American soldiers rape Asian women
American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women.
Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry.
Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea.
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On October 09 2011 08:53 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
How are some of you even wondering why this is such a deal? You missed the time in which the image of the US Army changed from protectors and saviors towards something terrible that no one could possibly want in his country?
It is probably one of the most hated organizations on earth, of course people gonna take this serious.
This really is not much of a deal, considering the fact that the infantry branch is composed of hundreds of thousands of young men. There are many thousands of soldiers in Korea presently, and incidents like this happen infrequently, as in any other area where military troops are stationed. The solution is further discipline, not demonization.
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On October 09 2011 08:53 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
How are some of you even wondering why this is such a deal? You missed the time in which the image of the US Army changed from protectors and saviors towards something terrible that no one could possibly want in his country?
It is probably one of the most hated organizations on earth, of course people gonna take this serious.
They still have an image of protectors and saviors within the US. There's a culture of unconditional worship and adoration of military personnel in America, they can do no wrong as they are out there fighting for the freedom, liberty and democracy of the world and protecting their nation from the invisible threat. I guess it seems mind boggling to them that some out there could be opposed to such an organization.
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On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea.
It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees.
What the hell are they teaching you in school?
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On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea.
Very well said, I hope everyone reads your post before thinking of responding to this thread. Something like this needs to be looked at with an open mind.
This is a terrible thing to happen to anyone, what nationality the rapists are does not matter, they are rapists.
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On October 09 2011 09:00 Asshat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 08:53 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
How are some of you even wondering why this is such a deal? You missed the time in which the image of the US Army changed from protectors and saviors towards something terrible that no one could possibly want in his country?
It is probably one of the most hated organizations on earth, of course people gonna take this serious. They still have an image of protectors and saviors within the US. There's a culture of unconditional worship and adoration of military personnel in America, they can do no wrong as they are out there fighting for the freedom, liberty and democracy of the world and protecting their nation from the invisible threat. I guess it seems mind boggling to them that some out there could be opposed to such an organization.
Yes there is an image of protectors.....because they do protect us, so I don't see a problem with this. In the U.S there is a large amount of respect for people who join the military, and rightfully so. Don't act like we just blindly endorse EVERYTHING that our army does. After Abu Ghraib there was plenty of outrage. We deal with that though. The soldiers committing the atrocity are tried, court-martialed and thrown in prison. This is obviously an awful story, but I'm sure that the soldiers responsible will be tried and brought to justice, as they should be.
That said, I guess it annoys me that so many people who receive the benefit of protection from the U.S army demonize it so much.
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On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school?
I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed his point entirely. Let me TL:DR it for you. This thread only existed because the incident happened in Korea. TL is a site heavily used by people who follow Korean gaming tournaments, many of us liking Korean culture as well. If this had been in any other country, no one would have cared, because Korea is the only country that most of us here associate with as a whole.
That being said, I think that this should not warrant the attention it does, as things like this ahppen in any city in the world. If we are to judge this to be a symptom of a greater issue(the presence of US troops in Korea), then we must equally judge the numerous rapes in all countries to be a sign of worldwide social degradation, which obviously is not the case.
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On October 09 2011 07:13 deadlywaffle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 06:42 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Why are people making excuses? These aren't normal people, these are professional soldiers stationed by a foreign country. When things like these happen, it will not be looked upon as a crime by a simple person, as a representative of a body. It does not matter that they are not because the racial and political divide between the populace and these people will allow demonization across the gap. Why are soldiers not considered normal people? Have you ever served? You do know that the U.S. military in a way acts like a corporation. You have people working for other people, that applies everywhere. What makes them different? Just because they can shoot a gun? What do you define as a normal person? I don't see how these two soldiers are "representatives of a body". That's basically saying that they represent America as the "lets go to other foreign countries just to rape the women". Your logic is the same reason why people in America generalize blacks/mexicans for crimes. The people in charge of those soldiers already issued an apology and will deal with the situation accordingly. Just wait and see if they are truly guilty or not.
I don't need to serve. Certain positions comes with certain expectations. Your analogy to racism is just stupid. What you're saying is that I should treat soldiers same as a random member of the American Gun Association. The soldiers come with training and discipline that separates them from normal people. Otherwise there is no reason to afford respect to soldiers.
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On October 09 2011 09:07 PraetorialGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed his point entirely. Let me TL:DR it for you. This thread only existed because the incident happened in Korea. TL is a site heavily used by people who follow Korean gaming tournaments, many of us liking Korean culture as well. If this had been in any other country, no one would have cared, because Korea is the only country that most of us here associate with as a whole. That being said, I think that this should not warrant the attention it does, as things like this ahppen in any city in the world. If we are to judge this to be a symptom of a greater issue(the presence of US troops in Korea), then we must equally judge the numerous rapes in all countries to be a sign of worldwide social degradation, which obviously is not the case.
Do you know that Yukio Yatoyama literally resigned over a similar issue in the face of similar public anger?
Jesus Christ.
What is with these masses of people claiming that a story 'doesn't warrant the attention is does'.
Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean a story isn't important.
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On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea.
I was thinking the same thing.
But then again this site has many american-koreans so I guess they care more about the big bad white guy.
Im totally with you dude. Nobody would give 2 shits if I posted of a gang-rape incident in central London.
Meh...
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Typical use of media to fuel anti-American sentiments. In the USA, there are 28 rapes per 100,000 people. Now, 3/10 of 28 is 8.4. And 3/10 of 100,000 is 30,000, which happens to be the approximate amount of US forces stationed in SK. 2 cases of rape is actually ~75% lower than the average rate of rape in the US, which IMO says good things about the American soldiers there...
Yes, shitty stuff like this happens. No, it does not represent the whole of the US military or the USA itself.
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