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On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly.
There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future?
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On October 09 2011 05:20 Tippany wrote:
In 1995, the rape of a 12-year-old Japanese girl by U.S. service members in Okinawa sparked one of the biggest anti-U.S. protests in Japan. About 50,000 U.S. troops are stationed in Japan in a post-World War II security pact.
i saw that JAG episode
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On October 09 2011 09:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:18 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:10 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:07 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed his point entirely. Let me TL:DR it for you. This thread only existed because the incident happened in Korea. TL is a site heavily used by people who follow Korean gaming tournaments, many of us liking Korean culture as well. If this had been in any other country, no one would have cared, because Korea is the only country that most of us here associate with as a whole. That being said, I think that this should not warrant the attention it does, as things like this ahppen in any city in the world. If we are to judge this to be a symptom of a greater issue(the presence of US troops in Korea), then we must equally judge the numerous rapes in all countries to be a sign of worldwide social degradation, which obviously is not the case. Do you know that Yukio Yatoyama literally resigned over a similar issue in the face of similar public anger? Jesus Christ. What is with these masses of people claiming that a story 'doesn't warrant the attention is does'. Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean a story isn't important. It's a hot button issue... but nothing will come of it. If I thought a single, relevent change in US foreign policy or troop deployment would change because of a rape then I'd care... but nothing will change. You're looking at the wrong country. Korean policy, not US, is under pressure to change due to these sorts of incidents. Not to sound condescending, but Korean policy toward's the US is whatever the US wants. It's not really a bad thing, it just is what it is. The public might demonize the US or its soldiers, but it's unlikely the politicians will actually be as short-sighted as to allow the transgressions of some soldiers effect the safety of their country and relations with the US.
There's no question that SK is a vassal state of the US.
But so is Japan, and their prime minister lost his job when he went up against the US and failed.
All I'm saying is that something similar might happen in Korea of which the outcome is uncertain.
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On October 09 2011 09:30 SYNC_qx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:14 ampson wrote:
Typical use of media to fuel anti-American sentiments. In the USA, there are 28 rapes per 100,000 people. Now, 3/10 of 28 is 8.4. And 3/10 of 100,000 is 30,000, which happens to be the approximate amount of US forces stationed in SK. 2 cases of rape is actually ~75% lower than the average rate of rape in the US, which IMO says good things about the American soldiers there...
Yes, shitty stuff like this happens. No, it does not represent the whole of the US military or the USA itself. How can you be so ignorant and put american soldiers stationed in south korea in the same position as american citizens in america. I'm not saying every soldier in SK is a rapist, but they do represent america and they are way more than just some american in SK.
what? were you born mentally retarded or did infelcity occur?
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On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly.
Did you just say "not held accountable?" THERE BEING CHARGED WITH RAPE! (IF THEY'RE EVEN FOUND GUILTY) Do you think the US is going to PREVENT them from being charged and tried? FUCK NO. How stupid do you think the US military is? And I don't care about anti american sentiment. I care when people USE THE TRAGEDY OF OTHERS TO FURTHER THEIR OWN AGENDA.
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On October 09 2011 09:32 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:25 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:18 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:10 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:07 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed his point entirely. Let me TL:DR it for you. This thread only existed because the incident happened in Korea. TL is a site heavily used by people who follow Korean gaming tournaments, many of us liking Korean culture as well. If this had been in any other country, no one would have cared, because Korea is the only country that most of us here associate with as a whole. That being said, I think that this should not warrant the attention it does, as things like this ahppen in any city in the world. If we are to judge this to be a symptom of a greater issue(the presence of US troops in Korea), then we must equally judge the numerous rapes in all countries to be a sign of worldwide social degradation, which obviously is not the case. Do you know that Yukio Yatoyama literally resigned over a similar issue in the face of similar public anger? Jesus Christ. What is with these masses of people claiming that a story 'doesn't warrant the attention is does'. Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean a story isn't important. It's a hot button issue... but nothing will come of it. If I thought a single, relevent change in US foreign policy or troop deployment would change because of a rape then I'd care... but nothing will change. You're looking at the wrong country. Korean policy, not US, is under pressure to change due to these sorts of incidents. Not to sound condescending, but Korean policy toward's the US is whatever the US wants. It's not really a bad thing, it just is what it is. The public might demonize the US or its soldiers, but it's unlikely the politicians will actually be as short-sighted as to allow the transgressions of some soldiers effect the safety of their country and relations with the US. There's no question that SK is a vassal state of the US. But so is Japan, and their prime minister lost his job when he went up against the US and failed. All I'm saying is that something similar might happen in Korea of which the outcome is uncertain.
But it wont change anything. He might lose his job. He might be replaced. But not for one single second do I believe a new leader in any form will change its policy towards the US because they understand how important it is to not get emotional over one small incident.
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On October 09 2011 09:33 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. Did you just say "not held accountable?" THERE BEING CHARGED WITH RAPE! (IF THEY'RE EVEN FOUND GUILTY) Do you think the US is going to PREVENT them from being charged and tried? FUCK NO. How stupid do you think the US military is? And I don't care about anti american sentiment. I care when people USE THE TRAGEDY OF OTHERS TO FURTHER THEIR OWN AGENDA.
u seem mad sir, please calm down? ur so mad i cant even figure out what ur fundamental context is
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On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future?
It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide.
Let me try to get through to you:
The same thing happened in Okinawa:
The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so.
The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA).
On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction.
Does that sound like justice to you?
Probation?
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This is not the first time american soldiers have abused their stay in korea, and certainly won't be the last unless some drastic measures are taken. I know it's a very politically sensitive issue, but they must take every step to prevent something like this happening again. The soldiers need to be either tried in korea or court-martialed. A firm example needs to be set in order to deter any similar actions. I just hope the korean government really pressures the american counterpart to put strict measure in place.
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On October 09 2011 09:37 Telcontar wrote:
This is not the first time american soldiers have abused their stay in korea, and certainly won't be the last unless some drastic measures are taken. I know it's a very politically sensitive issue, but they must take every step to prevent something like this happening again. The soldiers need to be either tried in korea or court-martialed. A firm example needs to be set in order to deter any similar actions. I just hope the korean government really pressures the american counterpart to put strict measure in place.
arguements like these make me facepalm so much, my head gets sore. There should be iq test in forums where certain topics require a certain amount of iq
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On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly.
I have no nationalistic bias. My brother, as I have stated, was one of the District Commanders of the Military Police in Seoul. He handled cases such as this and I can tell you, these incidences are rare, and the perpetrators do not go unpunished by the military even if they are released, as long as there is sufficient evidence to confirm their guilt(which there is, in this case).
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On October 09 2011 09:36 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future? It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide. Let me try to get through to you: The same thing happened in Okinawa: The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so. The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA). On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction. Does that sound like justice to you?
That sounds like...A. WHOLE.SEPARATE.INCIDENT.
I seriously don't understand where you're going with this.
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On October 09 2011 09:36 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future? It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide. Let me try to get through to you: The same thing happened in Okinawa: The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so. The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA). On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction. Does that sound like justice to you?
Is this the part where I explain that a single incident doesn't prove, well, much of anything? Yesterday the Brewers won their game. I guess that means next year they'll win if they're in a similar situation.
Do I think justice will be served? No, but that's only because the "justice" some people have called for is chemical castration and other ludicrous assessments. There are emotions and short of execution of these individuals, there will be upset people.
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On October 09 2011 09:38 PraetorialGamer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. I have no nationalistic bias. My brother, as I have stated, was one of the District Commanders of the Military Police in Seoul. He handled cases such as this and I can tell you, these incidences are rare, and the perpetrators do not go unpunished by the military even if they are released, as long as there is sufficient evidence to confirm their guilt(which there is, in this case).
I'm one hundred percent positive that even your anecdotal evidence will confirm that the 'punishments' are a joke and magnitudes less severe than those dealt to civilians.
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On October 09 2011 09:33 Klipsys wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. Did you just say "not held accountable?" THERE BEING CHARGED WITH RAPE! (IF THEY'RE EVEN FOUND GUILTY) Do you think the US is going to PREVENT them from being charged and tried? FUCK NO. How stupid do you think the US military is? And I don't care about anti american sentiment. I care when people USE THE TRAGEDY OF OTHERS TO FURTHER THEIR OWN AGENDA.
Even better, if they're found guilty of rape in the US Military, it makes them incapable of doing their job, and they receive a dishonorable discharge, which means zero benefits and jack shit for jobs.
There's also worse punishment available in the UCMJ for rape than in typical law.
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Because one time someone got away with something, that is going to happen every time regardless. If you even bother to read what you posted, there was questionable investigation done by BOTH sides.
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On October 09 2011 09:40 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:38 PraetorialGamer wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. I have no nationalistic bias. My brother, as I have stated, was one of the District Commanders of the Military Police in Seoul. He handled cases such as this and I can tell you, these incidences are rare, and the perpetrators do not go unpunished by the military even if they are released, as long as there is sufficient evidence to confirm their guilt(which there is, in this case). I'm one hundred percent positive that even your anecdotal evidence will confirm that the 'punishments' are a joke and magnitudes less severe than those dealt to civilians.
lol, Jesus Christ. Isn't there a protest in NYC you should be heading to?
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On October 09 2011 09:36 Consolidate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future? It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide. Let me try to get through to you: The same thing happened in Okinawa: The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so. The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA). On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction. Does that sound like justice to you? Probation?
What is sounds like to me is the victim decided not to pursue charges (if she really did want justice then she would not have recanted her testimony, assuming he raped her), and that Brown was acquitted of the rape charge.
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On October 09 2011 09:40 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 09:36 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:32 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 09 2011 09:29 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 09:23 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 09:01 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:59 Klipsys wrote:On October 09 2011 08:45 Consolidate wrote:On October 09 2011 08:35 Klipsys wrote:
I'm confused as to why this is even posted(on TL not in SK)? People get raped all the time, is this really a huge deal because they're American in Korea? And I find it curious that so many people want to voice their outrage, when every single day in America people are raped and murdered, but there's not a thread for every single one of those crimes, so why is this one unique? Mayeb I'm off base here but being a starcraft site, I can't help but think people just want to demonstrate to the TL community that they're pro Korean, rather than anti-rape. Not to say anyone condones rape, I just find it humors the reply's in here because as mentioned before, this isn't exactly a particularity shocking incident. That you're confused as to why this is such a big deal says more about your limited powers of cognition than it does about the significance of the issue. This event serves to remind people of the gross reach of the US military and their curious need to have hundreds of thousands of military personnel stationed on bases across the entire world. It's also symbolic of the nature of US dominion over the Pacific community. US soldiers stationed in Okinawa also murdered and raped Japanese women over the years. So this is not a new pattern of behavior. It's perfectly fine that you don't find this shocking, but it's ignorant of you to imply that these events are trivial. Okay so, Men rape women Soldiers rape women American soldiers rape Asian women American soldiers in Korea raped Korean women. Why is this incident so shocking and disturbing, outside of the fact that it's rape? Again, not to discount the actions of these individuals as trivial, but in the grand scheme of things, why does anyone outside of Korea care enough to blindly wish these people executed or other such nonsense? This is an issue that frankly only Koreans should care about...because it happened in Korea. Korean police should investigate, a Korean court should try them, and a Korean prison should house them. No one in Korea makes threads when American's get raped, and rightfully so, because then there would be millions of threads. The posts in this thread are ludicrous because never once have I seen a thread for a random American girl raped by a random foreigner. This is ONLY on TL BECAUSE it's Korea. This has nothing to do with the actual rape, and everything to do with where it happened, which I think it's offensive and stupid. American soldiers raped and killed Iraqi girls FOR YEARS, and there was never this much outcry. Notice how this thread quickly derailed into why is the us there and NK would win the war, and almost nothing about these two girls who are probably traumatized for life. No one actually cares about these girls, they just want to be seen supporting Korea. It's as if kids these days can't see the forest for the trees. What the hell are they teaching you in school? Do you want to use what happened to these girls as a platform to launch an Anti-American military campaign? Because that's all is being accomplished by being here. No one is talking about the actual crime here, they're arguing if the military should even be there. Again, rape happens all over the world, every single day. The only reason this is a thread is because some people want to preach the anti american sentiment, and some want to be seen as being pro Korean. If the reason this was posted was because we all hate rape, then why isn't there a thread every day for all of the women who are rape, all over the world? You fucking tell me. Why the hell are my countrymen so deluded as to why the rest of the world might find reason for anti-american sentiment when American soldiers rape domestic nationals and are not held accountable?Those blokes at Okinawa? You think 'justice' was served there? Your nationalist bias is showing pretty clearly. There are people saying they shouldn't be punished? Where? Putting the cart before the horse or can you see into the future? It's pretty clear that they won't be punished adequately if history is a guide. Let me try to get through to you: The same thing happened in Okinawa: The Michael Brown Okinawa attempted assault incident arose from an attempted indecent assault by U.S. Marine Corps Major Michael Brown on a Filipina bartender, V. N. (initials of victim), in Okinawa, Japan, on November 2, 2002. V.N. accused Brown of attempting to rape her and throwing her cell phone into a nearby river; Brown denied the rape charges. The victim later recanted her testimony, though prosecutors presented evidence that she had received a cash payment just before doing so. The case received extensive attention in the Japanese media, especially in Okinawa, and the crime sparked a public debate over the U.S. military presence in Japan, the privileges of extraterritoriality, as well as the fair trial practices of Japanese legal system and the Japanese police. The case involved the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan and the U.S.–Japan Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA). On July 8, 2004, after a 19-month trial, Brown was convicted by a Japanese court of attempted indecent assault and destruction of private property and received a one-year suspended prison sentence. As a result of this incident and others involving crimes committed by U.S. military personnel in Japan, both countries entered into negotiations aimed at modifying the SOFA in July 2003; ultimately, however, no changes were made to the agreement. In 2005, Brown was arrested and charged with kidnapping in the United States. He was demoted and involuntarily retired from the military in 2006 and at his trial in 2009 entered a Kennedy plea, receiving probation on the felony conviction. Does that sound like justice to you? Is this the part where I explain that a single incident doesn't prove, well, much of anything? Yesterday the Brewers won their game. I guess that means next year they'll win if they're in a similar situation. Do I think justice will be served? No, but that's only because the "justice" some people have called for is chemical castration and other ludicrous assessments. There are emotions and short of execution of these individuals, there will be upset people.
I establish a pattern of behavior regarding the handling these types of events, and you dismiss them as 'single incidents'.
Can you get more ridiculous?
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