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On October 11 2012 14:08 SlixSC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 14:06 Whatson wrote:On October 11 2012 14:05 ref4 wrote:
so wow this unit composition is so effective, why doesn't more protosses use it? what's the terran's hard counter to phoenix/colossi? Vikings I don't think this is true. Best way for Terran to beat this protoss strat is go mass ground upgrades, make the protoss overproduce phoenix and win an all ground battle. That's at least how I used to play against this, just fake out mass vikings but go pure ground with lots of marauders. You really can't win the air battle because phoenix actually own vikings.
Yea mass ground is actually scary. Of course then they could harass your worker line a lot and so on since your army isn't that mobile in a way. Hard to say how things would work out.
Tbh vikings could have worked if he just kept sitting them over his bio army as he encroached up, using the massive range advantage to force phoenix/col back (cause if you're over marines, your marines will hit his phoenixes before his phoenixes can hit your vikings.
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On October 11 2012 14:07 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 14:06 Whatson wrote:On October 11 2012 14:05 ref4 wrote:
so wow this unit composition is so effective, why doesn't more protosses use it? what's the terran's hard counter to phoenix/colossi? Vikings mini just showed with upgraded phoenixes they destroyed vikings....so moar upgraded vikings?
Early 2010 it was bio + lots of Vikings, more marauder heavy ground, people theory crafted that adding thors would also work, but it was never really tested in a pro game
And from posts in here it seems like flash didn't engage very well, you really want to camp your vikins over marines
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I dont want to make you guys hate me but I think Flash is cursed when I watch him play D:
the only times I watched him in BW was vs Bogus in a TvT he lost and in the OSL ro4 vs Fantasy
Then I was here for Flash vs Killer and Flash vs Mini. I'll just take the night off next time he plays
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Code A GSL Season 4 2012  Terminator vs  Shine Game 1 Map: Antiga Shipyward Score: 0-0
0:00
Terminator spawns to the bottom left
Shine spawns to the top right
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On October 11 2012 14:12 Shellshock1122 wrote: Code A GSL Season 4 2012 Terminator vs Shine Game 1 Map: Antiga Shipyward Score: 0-0 0:00 Terminator spawns to the bottom left Shine spawns to the top right
2:00
Pool first for Shine
2:30
Hatch for Shine
Nexus first for Terminator
Forge for Terminator
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Ahh Keen is playing Sniper T.T MVP team kill 
Whoever wins better make it to Code S through Ro24 and whoever loses, through up and downs!
Also go Shine!!
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On October 11 2012 14:11 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 14:08 SlixSC wrote:On October 11 2012 14:06 Whatson wrote:On October 11 2012 14:05 ref4 wrote:
so wow this unit composition is so effective, why doesn't more protosses use it? what's the terran's hard counter to phoenix/colossi? Vikings I don't think this is true. Best way for Terran to beat this protoss strat is go mass ground upgrades, make the protoss overproduce phoenix and win an all ground battle. That's at least how I used to play against this, just fake out mass vikings but go pure ground with lots of marauders. You really can't win the air battle because phoenix actually own vikings. Yea mass ground is actually scary. Of course then they could harass your worker line a lot and so on since your army isn't that mobile in a way. Hard to say how things would work out. Tbh vikings could have worked if he just kept sitting them over his bio army as he encroached up, using the massive range advantage to force phoenix/col back (cause if you're over marines, your marines will hit his phoenixes before his phoenixes can hit your vikings.
I don't like vikings vs. phoenix at all because they overkill so much. You can't even focus fire the phoenixes because vikings would overkill. Imo mass ground with EMP is the way to go. Flash was only on 3/1 with no armor upgrades and no EMPs, imagine how easily he would have won these fights had he used his 40 supply of vikings on ground units and better upgrades. His vikings didn't really do anything anyway, he killed maybe like what 2 collossi out of 7? pure ground would do sooo much better especially with EMP. the only tricky thing is killing the zealots so you can get in range of the collossi, in which case you need to have your marines behind your marauders so they soak up the damage and EMP everything perfectly. It's hard to beat, but I doubt mass viking will ever work against that if the protoss goes double stargate phoenix (especially if he gets +2 range aswell lol).
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On October 11 2012 14:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 14:12 Shellshock1122 wrote: Code A GSL Season 4 2012 Terminator vs Shine Game 1 Map: Antiga Shipyward Score: 0-0 0:00 Terminator spawns to the bottom left Shine spawns to the top right 2:00 Pool first for Shine 2:30 Hatch for Shine Nexus first for Terminator Forge for Terminator
3:00
Gateway for Terminator
cannon for Terminator
probe denies the 3rd of Shine
4:00
Shine starts his 3rd hatch after lings chase the probe away
ling gets into the natural of Terminator before the cannon finishes
double gas for Terminator
Cybernetics Core started for Terminator
5:00
+1 attack started for Terminator
drones
6:00
double gas for Shine
Robo for Terminator
3 more gates for Terminator
Roach warren for Shine
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On October 11 2012 14:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 14:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 11 2012 14:12 Shellshock1122 wrote: Code A GSL Season 4 2012 Terminator vs Shine Game 1 Map: Antiga Shipyward Score: 0-0 0:00 Terminator spawns to the bottom left Shine spawns to the top right 2:00 Pool first for Shine 2:30 Hatch for Shine Nexus first for Terminator Forge for Terminator 3:00 Gateway for Terminator cannon for Terminator probe denies the 3rd of Shine 4:00 Shine starts his 3rd hatch after lings chase the probe away ling gets into the natural of Terminator before the cannon finishes double gas for Terminator Cybernetics Core started for Terminator 5:00 +1 attack started for Terminator drones 6:00 double gas for Shine Robo for Terminator 3 more gates for Terminator Roach warren for Shine
7:00
Lair started for Shine
Ling in Terminator's base is still alive and scouts everything
it has 1 hp left
finally dies
evo chamber for Shine
2 more gates and twiight council for terminator
Ling speed started
Warp prism on the way for Terminator
2 more gas for Shine
8:00
Macro hatch for Shine
3 sentries loaded into the warp prism
+1 carapace started for Shine
roach speed started for Shine
roach production begins
blink started for Terminator
+1 armor started for Terminator
9:00
Warp prism scouted by overlord
observer of Terminator killed by a queen and overseer
2nd observer moving out
sentry drop in the main but lings chase it away
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Come on, Shine.
Polt vs. Shine 2: Best Friends Boogaloo
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Uhhhh he better cancel that third and all in, I don't think he'll be able to win if he tries to macro.
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What!? Flash lose...  ..
I got many pages to read now....
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On October 11 2012 14:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 14:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 11 2012 14:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 11 2012 14:12 Shellshock1122 wrote: Code A GSL Season 4 2012 Terminator vs Shine Game 1 Map: Antiga Shipyward Score: 0-0 0:00 Terminator spawns to the bottom left Shine spawns to the top right 2:00 Pool first for Shine 2:30 Hatch for Shine Nexus first for Terminator Forge for Terminator 3:00 Gateway for Terminator cannon for Terminator probe denies the 3rd of Shine 4:00 Shine starts his 3rd hatch after lings chase the probe away ling gets into the natural of Terminator before the cannon finishes double gas for Terminator Cybernetics Core started for Terminator 5:00 +1 attack started for Terminator drones 6:00 double gas for Shine Robo for Terminator 3 more gates for Terminator Roach warren for Shine 7:00 Lair started for Shine Ling in Terminator's base is still alive and scouts everything it has 1 hp left finally dies evo chamber for Shine 2 more gates and twiight council for terminator Ling speed started Warp prism on the way for Terminator 2 more gas for Shine 8:00 Macro hatch for Shine 3 sentries loaded into the warp prism +1 carapace started for Shine roach speed started for Shine roach production begins blink started for Terminator +1 armor started for Terminator 9:00 Warp prism scouted by overlord observer of Terminator killed by a queen and overseer 2nd observer moving out sentry drop in the main but lings chase it away
10:00
Roach speed finishes
Immortal production begins
3rd base started for Shine
blink finishes
infestation pit finishes
pathogen glands started for Shine
2nd evo chamber started for Shine
11:00
Infestor production begins
+2 attack started for Terminator
+1 melee started for Shine
overlord speed started for Shine
75 drones vs 56 probes
+2 carapace started
12:00
4th base started for Shine at the top left main
Center base also being taken by Shine
warp prism flies into the main but lings and queens chase it out
fungal catches the warp prism
Terminator loses the warp prism and 4 zealots
Robotics support bay started
Hive started
Spire started
13:00
Shine posturing around the middle
Terminator turtling
shine maxed
14:00
Shine attacks into the 3rd of Terminator but forcefields block most of the lings
Shine backs off
fungals hit a lot of sentries
Terminator chases back Shine
Shine overextends and loses most of his infestors
1st Colossus is out
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Positioning and target firing were the keys in the old Terran vs Phoenix/Colossi games. It was always quite a micro-dependent, unpredictable fight, because how you engaged was very important.
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On October 11 2012 14:22 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 14:18 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 11 2012 14:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 11 2012 14:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:On October 11 2012 14:12 Shellshock1122 wrote: Code A GSL Season 4 2012 Terminator vs Shine Game 1 Map: Antiga Shipyward Score: 0-0 0:00 Terminator spawns to the bottom left Shine spawns to the top right 2:00 Pool first for Shine 2:30 Hatch for Shine Nexus first for Terminator Forge for Terminator 3:00 Gateway for Terminator cannon for Terminator probe denies the 3rd of Shine 4:00 Shine starts his 3rd hatch after lings chase the probe away ling gets into the natural of Terminator before the cannon finishes double gas for Terminator Cybernetics Core started for Terminator 5:00 +1 attack started for Terminator drones 6:00 double gas for Shine Robo for Terminator 3 more gates for Terminator Roach warren for Shine 7:00 Lair started for Shine Ling in Terminator's base is still alive and scouts everything it has 1 hp left finally dies evo chamber for Shine 2 more gates and twiight council for terminator Ling speed started Warp prism on the way for Terminator 2 more gas for Shine 8:00 Macro hatch for Shine 3 sentries loaded into the warp prism +1 carapace started for Shine roach speed started for Shine roach production begins blink started for Terminator +1 armor started for Terminator 9:00 Warp prism scouted by overlord observer of Terminator killed by a queen and overseer 2nd observer moving out sentry drop in the main but lings chase it away 10:00 Roach speed finishes Immortal production begins 3rd base started for Shine blink finishes infestation pit finishes pathogen glands started for Shine 2nd evo chamber started for Shine 11:00 Infestor production begins +2 attack started for Terminator +1 melee started for Shine overlord speed started for Shine 75 drones vs 56 probes +2 carapace started 12:00 4th base started for Shine at the top left main Center base also being taken by Shine warp prism flies into the main but lings and queens chase it out fungal catches the warp prism Terminator loses the warp prism and 4 zealots Robotics support bay started Hive started Spire started 13:00 Shine posturing around the middle Terminator turtling shine maxed 14:00 Shine attacks into the 3rd of Terminator but forcefields block most of the lings Shine backs off fungals hit a lot of sentries Terminator chases back Shine Shine overextends and loses most of his infestors 1st Colossus is out
15:00
Hive finished
Greater spire on the way
+3 attack almost done for Terminator
Extended thermal lance started
+2 melee and +3 carapace started for Shine
16:00
Terminator taking the center high ground
Shine backs off
Shine abandons the middle base
fungals go on about half of terminator's army
corruptors are out and shooting corruptors
blink on the infestors kills 3
17:00
+1 air armor started
Terminator pushing into the natural of Shine
Shine regroups and attacks
stalkers blinking against Roaches
18:00
Drones pulled in the natural of fight
4 immortals still alive
blink on the main ramp on top of Shine's army
Shine loses everything
gg!
Terminator wins game 1!
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Poll: Recommend Terminator vs Shine game 1?No (3) 50% Yes (2) 33% If you have time (1) 17% 6 total votes Your vote: Recommend Terminator vs Shine game 1? (Vote): Yes
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(Vote): If you have time
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wow that was some pretty god awful control from TSLShine
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Kespa protoss players are looking so strong, extremely well played by terminator.
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Shine just got TERMINATED!
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