• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:00
CEST 01:00
KST 08:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy8uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event17Serral wins EWC 202549Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments7[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
Is there a way to see if 2 accounts=1 person? #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
BW AKA finder tool BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ New season has just come in ladder StarCraft player reflex TE scores
Tourneys
Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches KCM 2025 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI The year 2050
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Biochemical Cost of Gami…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 623 users

two hatch early speedlings to lurkers

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-04-28 17:49:27
April 28 2006 16:21 GMT
#1
The build order is:

12 hatch
11 pool
11 gas
Make 3 drones till 12 supply
Put 3 drones on gas as soon as extractor is done, should be when 12th drone pops out
Upgrade speed lings as soon as you get 100/100
Pull 2 drones from gas afterwards until you get 150/100, then put them back
Get Lair, then den, then lurkers

Basically you pump all lings no drones using all your larvas till lurkers come out, against fast expo T it is a guarenteed win even if they scout it. On pgt so far out of about ten or so games, only dream.t)sair has beaten it.

Here's are replays of Sea.Jy using it, also where I learned it from.

vs Goara[Gsp]:
http://download.yousendit.com/EF59C45D3171CEE0

Vs G.s)Gosh aka G.s)Cy:
http://download.yousendit.com/6F35CCF83F9F1BD3

vs G.s)Monster aka G.s)Kyo:
http://download.yousendit.com/372AD4E85BFF9AAF

and I'm sure Jy would've done it 100x better but here's Dream.t)Sair's build order against it:
http://download.yousendit.com/CDAD352B07962116

In the game vs Goara Jy didn't break terran's base but still managed to win by teching really fast and containing.
DiGiTaLRaIn
Profile Joined March 2006
Mexico35 Posts
April 28 2006 17:14 GMT
#2
I didn't see any counter for it or was that just it?
Screen Name on PGT and Bnet: SCVHelper
StarOfDust
Profile Joined September 2005
Sweden163 Posts
April 28 2006 17:31 GMT
#3
seems nice, might be gay if the t decides too use a bunker or something, dunno. I'll try it, thanks.
Me love u long time, keke!
GodDevil[5thF]
Profile Joined March 2006
Romania8 Posts
April 28 2006 18:13 GMT
#4
yeah it workes great on chameleon I use it and i have a good wining rating zvt ! well i use it difrent but the same idea
gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2791 Posts
April 28 2006 19:10 GMT
#5
Wouldnt good T´s just cancel FE and wait for tanks?

And good T are not going to attack 1 base zerg before tanks or vessels. 1 base zerg is kinda strong, imo.

I have used 12 hathexp +burrow/speedlings many times. And I find this more effective. Becuase almost every terran wants to get out with his MnM when Z just ahve 1 sunken in his expansion..
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
April 29 2006 01:18 GMT
#6
Those G.s) people ARE good T's.
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
April 29 2006 02:01 GMT
#7
I love doing burrow/speedling 3 hatch these days because terran are not used to it. But if sea.jy does this build its worth my attention he he
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-04-29 11:42:14
April 29 2006 07:54 GMT
#8
I used you build in my first ZvT since. The terran went for a FE, and then quick tanks and bunkers as soon as he realized it was one base. Nevertheless, by the time I had 4 lurks, I also had about 30 lings, and it just ran him over.
ModeratorGodfather
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 29 2006 08:15 GMT
#9
thats right, kill that fucker
RaYhN
Profile Joined June 2004
United States437 Posts
April 29 2006 08:21 GMT
#10
interesting strat..must test it out!
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-04-29 10:01:55
April 29 2006 09:59 GMT
#11
What's to stop the FE Terran from having 2 SCV at ramp repairing each other?
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
April 29 2006 10:08 GMT
#12
It's an ok build, but it is definitely not a guaranteed win vs FE, and especially if they scout it. Good terran's will be patient, bunkering up and setting up the necessary defenses. They know that if they stop the few initial attacks, they have the upper hand.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 29 2006 10:36 GMT
#13
the thing is that if you go fast expo, you cant have the necessary defenses unless maybe if you build a bunker near ramp, even if you have 3 scvs blocking with 8 marines behind them, it can still be broken. And if terran waits till firebats come out, lurkers will already be there.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
April 29 2006 10:44 GMT
#14
this build is so fucking sexy i can't stand it.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
April 29 2006 10:45 GMT
#15
july used this exact build in ZvP when he played on WGT
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
to miss the mark
Profile Joined November 2005
Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
April 29 2006 10:57 GMT
#16
This build 2v2 with a ZZ team is absolutely incredible.

:D~~~~

INCREDIBLE!
Act happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love, and do what you will.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
April 29 2006 11:43 GMT
#17
I would upload my replay to show you that it can defeat a bunker and tank, but the guy called me a fucker for being from canada, so there was a little bm right back at him. RWT is a bitch sometimes.
ModeratorGodfather
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
April 29 2006 12:02 GMT
#18
I think we'd all enjoy some manifesto BM!
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-04-29 12:47:42
April 29 2006 12:46 GMT
#19
i thought there was a way you could corrupt the text even after the game finished, it's just PP would send a notification that the txt had been toyed with >_>

On April 29 2006 19:45 BroOd wrote:
july used this exact build in ZvP when he played on WGT


i remember seeing this zvp too =O
in fact that's what i thought it was until he said T fast expo
UMS map pack http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50442
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
April 29 2006 13:46 GMT
#20
This build is great for pub bashing in 2v2
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL Team Wars
19:00
Round 3
Team Dewalt vs Team Bonyth
ZZZero.O94
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft515
Nina 135
Nathanias 111
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 501
ggaemo 98
ZZZero.O 94
NaDa 57
Stormgate
UpATreeSC132
JuggernautJason102
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm73
Counter-Strike
FalleN 1445
Foxcn555
Stewie2K385
kRYSTAL_57
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0326
AZ_Axe74
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor165
Other Games
tarik_tv15668
gofns10482
summit1g6015
Grubby4444
ceh91199
fl0m791
crisheroes664
shahzam350
ZombieGrub100
Trikslyr43
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick200
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 61
• davetesta51
• tFFMrPink 16
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 33
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22269
League of Legends
• Doublelift3880
• imaqtpie1463
• Shiphtur262
Other Games
• WagamamaTV406
Upcoming Events
Online Event
12h
SC Evo League
13h
Online Event
14h
OSC
14h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
16h
CSO Contender
18h
[BSL 2025] Weekly
19h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 11h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 12h
SC Evo League
1d 13h
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 16h
BSL Team Wars
1d 20h
Team Dewalt vs Team Bonyth
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
2 days
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Mini vs TBD
Soma vs sSak
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-08-13
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.