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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-04-28 17:49:27
April 28 2006 16:21 GMT
#1
The build order is:

12 hatch
11 pool
11 gas
Make 3 drones till 12 supply
Put 3 drones on gas as soon as extractor is done, should be when 12th drone pops out
Upgrade speed lings as soon as you get 100/100
Pull 2 drones from gas afterwards until you get 150/100, then put them back
Get Lair, then den, then lurkers

Basically you pump all lings no drones using all your larvas till lurkers come out, against fast expo T it is a guarenteed win even if they scout it. On pgt so far out of about ten or so games, only dream.t)sair has beaten it.

Here's are replays of Sea.Jy using it, also where I learned it from.

vs Goara[Gsp]:
http://download.yousendit.com/EF59C45D3171CEE0

Vs G.s)Gosh aka G.s)Cy:
http://download.yousendit.com/6F35CCF83F9F1BD3

vs G.s)Monster aka G.s)Kyo:
http://download.yousendit.com/372AD4E85BFF9AAF

and I'm sure Jy would've done it 100x better but here's Dream.t)Sair's build order against it:
http://download.yousendit.com/CDAD352B07962116

In the game vs Goara Jy didn't break terran's base but still managed to win by teching really fast and containing.
DiGiTaLRaIn
Profile Joined March 2006
Mexico35 Posts
April 28 2006 17:14 GMT
#2
I didn't see any counter for it or was that just it?
Screen Name on PGT and Bnet: SCVHelper
StarOfDust
Profile Joined September 2005
Sweden163 Posts
April 28 2006 17:31 GMT
#3
seems nice, might be gay if the t decides too use a bunker or something, dunno. I'll try it, thanks.
Me love u long time, keke!
GodDevil[5thF]
Profile Joined March 2006
Romania8 Posts
April 28 2006 18:13 GMT
#4
yeah it workes great on chameleon I use it and i have a good wining rating zvt ! well i use it difrent but the same idea
gulii
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden2791 Posts
April 28 2006 19:10 GMT
#5
Wouldnt good T´s just cancel FE and wait for tanks?

And good T are not going to attack 1 base zerg before tanks or vessels. 1 base zerg is kinda strong, imo.

I have used 12 hathexp +burrow/speedlings many times. And I find this more effective. Becuase almost every terran wants to get out with his MnM when Z just ahve 1 sunken in his expansion..
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
April 29 2006 01:18 GMT
#6
Those G.s) people ARE good T's.
tKd_
Profile Joined February 2005
United States2916 Posts
April 29 2006 02:01 GMT
#7
I love doing burrow/speedling 3 hatch these days because terran are not used to it. But if sea.jy does this build its worth my attention he he
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-04-29 11:42:14
April 29 2006 07:54 GMT
#8
I used you build in my first ZvT since. The terran went for a FE, and then quick tanks and bunkers as soon as he realized it was one base. Nevertheless, by the time I had 4 lurks, I also had about 30 lings, and it just ran him over.
ModeratorGodfather
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 29 2006 08:15 GMT
#9
thats right, kill that fucker
RaYhN
Profile Joined June 2004
United States437 Posts
April 29 2006 08:21 GMT
#10
interesting strat..must test it out!
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-04-29 10:01:55
April 29 2006 09:59 GMT
#11
What's to stop the FE Terran from having 2 SCV at ramp repairing each other?
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Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
April 29 2006 10:08 GMT
#12
It's an ok build, but it is definitely not a guaranteed win vs FE, and especially if they scout it. Good terran's will be patient, bunkering up and setting up the necessary defenses. They know that if they stop the few initial attacks, they have the upper hand.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 29 2006 10:36 GMT
#13
the thing is that if you go fast expo, you cant have the necessary defenses unless maybe if you build a bunker near ramp, even if you have 3 scvs blocking with 8 marines behind them, it can still be broken. And if terran waits till firebats come out, lurkers will already be there.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20008 Posts
April 29 2006 10:44 GMT
#14
this build is so fucking sexy i can't stand it.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
April 29 2006 10:45 GMT
#15
july used this exact build in ZvP when he played on WGT
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
to miss the mark
Profile Joined November 2005
Bosnia-Herzegovina1381 Posts
April 29 2006 10:57 GMT
#16
This build 2v2 with a ZZ team is absolutely incredible.

:D~~~~

INCREDIBLE!
Act happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love, and do what you will.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
April 29 2006 11:43 GMT
#17
I would upload my replay to show you that it can defeat a bunker and tank, but the guy called me a fucker for being from canada, so there was a little bm right back at him. RWT is a bitch sometimes.
ModeratorGodfather
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
April 29 2006 12:02 GMT
#18
I think we'd all enjoy some manifesto BM!
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
Locked
Profile Joined September 2004
United States4182 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-04-29 12:47:42
April 29 2006 12:46 GMT
#19
i thought there was a way you could corrupt the text even after the game finished, it's just PP would send a notification that the txt had been toyed with >_>

On April 29 2006 19:45 BroOd wrote:
july used this exact build in ZvP when he played on WGT


i remember seeing this zvp too =O
in fact that's what i thought it was until he said T fast expo
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20008 Posts
April 29 2006 13:46 GMT
#20
This build is great for pub bashing in 2v2
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
April 29 2006 13:53 GMT
#21
You coulda won that game vs sair with better micro. Also, it's not really his "build order against it," it's just a regular tvz build order... -_-
Where joy exists despair will always beckon.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 29 2006 14:01 GMT
#22
he got early academy vs it
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
April 29 2006 18:27 GMT
#23
against fast expo T it is a guarenteed win even if they scout it

I like how you think that every good strat is a guaranteed win, I want to be that optimistic too.
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
April 29 2006 22:24 GMT
#24
On April 30 2006 03:27 superjoppe wrote:
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against fast expo T it is a guarenteed win even if they scout it

I like how you think that every good strat is a guaranteed win, I want to be that optimistic too.
DarK]N[exuS
Profile Joined April 2006
China1441 Posts
April 30 2006 01:43 GMT
#25
I wouldn't really call that "fast academy" really, but ok, you're right.
Where joy exists despair will always beckon.
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9946 Posts
April 30 2006 01:54 GMT
#26
On April 29 2006 19:57 Miss the Mark wrote:
This build 2v2 with a ZZ team is absolutely incredible.

:D~~~~

INCREDIBLE!

dont your allies' lurkers kill all of your lings ?
Moderatorsometimes I get intimidated by the size of my right testicle
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
April 30 2006 03:20 GMT
#27
On April 30 2006 10:54 RaGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2006 19:57 Miss the Mark wrote:
This build 2v2 with a ZZ team is absolutely incredible.

:D~~~~

INCREDIBLE!

dont your allies' lurkers kill all of your lings ?


Exactly what I was thinking. We 2v2'd and went like 5/1 with this build. Only thing we died to was mass ling while we were killing a toss

It usually finished pubs before any kind of tech was necessary.
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
Sequence~
Profile Joined February 2006
United States418 Posts
April 30 2006 03:21 GMT
#28
On April 30 2006 10:54 RaGe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2006 19:57 Miss the Mark wrote:
This build 2v2 with a ZZ team is absolutely incredible.

:D~~~~

INCREDIBLE!

dont your allies' lurkers kill all of your lings ?


i think the other zerg is supposed to hatch on ramp and go mutas, and just make enough lings to hold off a rush.
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