[Stream] Big T - Page 4

On July 26 2010 11:59 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
I had no idea we were arguing the merits of personal realities here. I am no philosopher sir.

I'm pretty sure I would make the argument that human perception is incredibly flawed. I'm pretty sure everyone everywhere admits that human perception is flawed. It is this acknowledgment of the impossibility to perceive things %100 accurately with the human senses that we started to develop things like science and math, to eliminate "personal reality" which is easily translated into "personal opinion."

What you're telling us, and I'm not exaggerating here, is that you live in your own reality where you are always right and no one can argue against you because you are right.

Are you completely unaware of the vast amounts of philosophical and scientific works done on this very subject? Since before the classical Greeks we've known personal perception to be incredibly flawed.

If personal perception can be considered an authoritative reality, then why are eyewitness accounts accepted as one of the most unreliable forms of evidence?

I'm actually shocked someone has made the argument that their subjective opinion makes their reality as/more valid than the shared perception of everyone else.



The logic you used to argue your point doesn't make sense to me. You say you didn't read my post because it was personal opinion and not constructive criticism. Then you say that constructive criticism contains personal opinion. But you can't even be sure if my post actually meats your criteria because you didn't bother to read it.


Here's what I think happened. You read the first two paragraphs, saw that I wasn't praising you, got offended, stopped reading.


The only evidence you have about my post at all is your limited personal opinion. It's like reading the first two paragraphs of "Passage to India" then telling everyone else who's read the book that they don't know what it's about. That only you know what it's about because you read the first to paragraphs and your opinion (sorry, perception) is reality.

On July 26 2010 14:03 iokke wrote:
Cpt.Nasty, I'd say stop wasting your time, he will dismiss whatever you say as your personal opinion/flame/nonsense. You and a few other people tried to help him, he didn't listen, it was his choice not too (yes BigT, you had some straight up negative comments, f.e. i dont get criticism over paid lessons either; but in most posts no one was flaming you). I personally think that the advice was good, but maybe we are wrong, doesn't matter, you gave it, that's all you can do.

Continuing this conversation only makes it worse (in my personal opinion [not being sarcastic, this is actually just my opinion] - makes him look worse)

edit - and BigT, you did do good things for the community so props; try not to ruin that

On July 26 2010 11:54 Mazu wrote:
just want to say thanks for streaming BigT . I have been watching regularly since I decided to play Protoss and watching your stream has been part of what helped me improve my game quite a bit. Planning on watching some more after release when I have the spare time between sc2 and other stuff.

On July 26 2010 16:36 iokke wrote:
and yet you continue to call all of us flamers.. wow, its just too bad you don't hear a word we're saying, take your own advice and read. ppl tried to give you advice, you were the one whose posts resembled flaming the most, but w/e man, disappointing=/
i havent read flaming in most of the posts... gimme an example of me flaming you?

On July 26 2010 16:51 BigT wrote:
...I quote day[9] yet again, "There's no point in trying to prove your right over the internet" and he's absolutely correct. I would never do it, and I don't know why you guys do...

On July 26 2010 17:27 iokke wrote:
um. how was that flaming? I was "defending myself, because all you are trying to do is to prove that you, BigT, is right, and all of us are wrong". Sounds familiar? so you can do it but others cant... BigT, I seriously want to know what you get out of this? Does this make you feel better about yourself, constantly trying to prove that your opinion is right and that of others is wrong? Do you sleep better at night knowing you told someone your opinion was right? Like it blows my mind.... oh sry I forgot, this is Your thread... (Sorry couldnt resist the irony:D)

That post was not flaming, the only thing even close to flaming in that post is saying that you disappointed me... still hardly flaming imho

I don't get much out of it, your responses simply prompted me and other people to respond back. You never called me a flamer, you said: Hey man, dont worry I saw your post in the midst of all these flamers haha, in response to another poster, not long after my post, hence I got curious.

Btw you do the most trying as far as proving who is right. I wasn't trying to prove anything for the most part, just said that your behavior does not show you in the best light. I actually kept up with the post but abstained from posting for awhile, and only came back to say to Nasty that there's no point in continuing and to tell you "BigT, you did do good things for the community so props; try not to ruin that".

Next time shit like this comes up, do it with more class. F.e., say ty for your input, I will consider it, and avoid 3 pages of bs that were, believe it or not, fueled by you for the most part.

edit.....
BigT - "There's no point in trying to prove your right over the internet" and he's absolutely correct. I would never do it, and I don't know why you guys do..."
dude you were dying exactly this for the last 3 pages, you're just calling it defending yourself. How can you even post that lol

On July 26 2010 17:39 BigT wrote:
And to be fair, I may have added the most fuel, but I wasn't the person who started the fueling haha.

On July 26 2010 17:39 BigT wrote:

To fix this, before you actually post your next post, copy and cut the entire entry, then go make a thread of your own No reason to keep coming to my thread and saying it so I hear it. Thats what makes you the instigator and me the defender

On July 26 2010 18:00 iokke wrote:
by that definition you sir, are a flamer just as much if I fit there lol. I was not trying to start fights, look back at my posts.

A lot of them had something nice about you. "you are a good player"... or "maybe you're just having a bad day"... or "you did a lot for the community".... or something as simple as "good luck". Compare this with what you are posting

Even if you did not mean me it definitely looked that way given the order of posts and the "all those flamers haha" coming from you. But since you now directly insist that I am a flamer, lets go back to the definition you gave me: a flamer is a person who constantly starts fights on forums or message boards.
I do not constantly start fights on forums or message boards. I was not even starting the fight in this thread, you just took anything people said with way too much hostility... please consider what I posted again. Altogether I don't think that I am a flamer, and don't think you are either given your explanation of the word.... but given ur interpretation u'd fit faster than I would

see here ^ I was definitely arguing with you (aka defending myself after being called a flamer).

most of my posts were indeed opinion, coming from someone who watched and liked ur stream, but I guess that's not important to you. Mainly my opinion was that you were handling things badly....

TLDR, criticism posts was along the lines of "the way you treated that person was not cool", "that was constructive criticism", "you are not showing yourself in a good light" (which was a hint to stop!). None of my posts were ill-willed, though unfortunately the results were bad because I never foresaw you reacting that way. If i did i probably would not post anything in the first place. Here's a stinker: It was my mistake, I thought you were bigger then behaving like this and I truly never imagined that you'd take it like this.

As far as me posting about your contradictions... well that was just so blatant it was too hard to resist, and you needed to see it too tbh to stop making posts that just scream hypocrisy
(first time I used that word btw due to w/e respect i have left for you.. yes its not all lost, still think (hope) it may have been a rough day and you just took things too personally; that I can understand)

And by the way you coulda finished all of this right now and be the bigger man (hell, u'd even indirectly get back at me if that would make you feel better) by simply replying -
"Tell you what guys, thanks for your input, I will consider it, and thanks for tuning in when you did"
I put it in bold because I think you skim angrily through most of the replies, you need to read this

man now I have a wall of my own, but also let me give you a short example... There was a White-Ra series, not sure which one, maybe against the machine, where he got a lot of feedback after the game, very similar to what you get. He didn't ban anyone, or talk shit back, or say who cares. Though I can't remember the exact words, he said something along the lines of "thank you for your input, I've heard you and will consider your suggestions on how to improve, appreciate it". There was prolly noone there who could come close to beating him but at least he still showed some respect.. If you will become a "public SC2" figure, you'll have to learn to put up with bs with class, unless you are going for a raging/controversial/bm persona

p.s.

yeah, you were, see the text in bold again on how not to add fuel. If you did at least that in response to Mr.Nasty, my first post would not have been more critical than.. "I've enjoyed and learned from your stream, thanks a lot BigT". Take stuff less personally and respond calmly to even unfair criticism without trying to offend the other person

On July 26 2010 18:12 iokke wrote:

Oh I'm sorry, just saw this edit.... there is no reason to make another thread about this, enough damage was done here, and enough time was wasted. Also I have no illusions anymore of you actually hearing what people have to say if its something you do not like=/

So let me correct myself with a post that is obviously appropriate for a thread dedicated to BigT's stream, which to stupid me originally implied discussing the good and the bad, giving props and suggesting improvements. The reason for a double post is to separate this comment from all other silly things I have posted, because I did not know that the following is the type of feedback you wanted. Ok, here I go, please disregard all my previous comments


BigT, your stream is great, I think people can learn a lot from it (actually true from the times I've watched...). And that guy that suggested where you could improve, the way you ignored and dismissed him, cause noone cares what one of the people that watched your stream had to say, that was totally cool, made you look awesome.
Keep it up and don't pay attention to other posters, whether its opinion or constructive criticism. Again they're just the people that watched your stream at one time or the other, who cares what they have to say. Worst case scenario, just dismiss it as their opinion, which should never mean anything to you. Btw I do think that your personal opinion argument was great and people that didnt agree with you were just stupid (how could these idiots not get what you're saying???). You're the best, keep on gaming and I am looking forward to more content from you!

Anyway SC2 is out tomorrow and lets just be happy about that lol

On July 27 2010 00:47 BigT wrote:



See, what makes me want to further dismiss what you guys are saying is because it's like you guys aren't even reading my responses though :/ Like I'm gonna have to repeat the definition of a flamer for a third time... A person who constantly starts fights on forums or message boards... Key word there is "starts". I never started any fights, its MY thread lol. Therefore I am not a flamer (who would flame their own thread lol?)

And you may have said some nice things, but that doesn't change the fact that you were just voicing your own personal opinion. WHICH I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH. Except when your trying to argue with me, trying to say that your opinion is right and mine is wrong. I don't know what compels you or makes you feel the need to continue to go on and on and on on MY thread. If you really have such a big problem, go start a thread of your own, theres no reason to continually post on MY thread so I hear you lol.

And yes, YOU go look back at your posts, they were clearly argumentative. A post does not have to be hostile to be argumentative. And you are continuing to make jokes about me even in your last post lol. "it was my mistake for thinking your the bigger than behaving like this". "yes its not all lost....hope your just had a rough day". "I put it in bold because I think you angrily skim through my posts". Like you say those things and not expect me to get a little agitated? Do you think I'm dumb? I can read between the lines... That's another difference, you guys have constantly insulted me. Read through all my posts, I never insult you guys back. That's another difference.

That section about white-ra was actually quite constructive :O However that situation is different. I'm sure those people weren't arguing directly about something that white-ra said or tried to prove that their opinion about something was right and white-ra's was wrong. They were just merely giving feedback of the game be it positive or negative. So not exactly the same. But, I can see your point about needing to put up with bs with class as a "public sc2 figure", but before all, I am a "who I am figure". I'm going to defend my morals above anything else. And this is just one of those things that I am going to respond to.

It drives me absolutely crazy that people have such an inclination for their opinion to be heard. ABSOLUTELY CRAZY lol. Why do people feel the need to post their opinion so badly? Like if you don't have any nice or constructive to say... don't say it at all. Why do you NEED to be like, "Ok, I totally think Big T is wrong here, I'm going to post a reply telling him what I think"? If I know I'm right, that's enough for me. I don't need to go proving I'm right to anyone else, especially the one whose wrong, because thats the worst! Telling someone unrelated wouldn't be that bad... But actually making it a point to call out the person you are disagreeing with? Thats just completely immature and disrespectful and I don't understand why people have such an urge to do so... Am I the only one whose content knowing their own opinions and not needing to prove them to anyone else???

And again, you failed to read what I said... I said I AGREE WITH YOU I ADDED MOST OF THE FUEL, but I did not START the fueling.... Please just read what I say!



Yeah.... you could have avoided all the damage to MY thread if you either started a thread of your own in the first place instead of absolutely having to post it in MY thread because you absolutely needed ME to hear it or just by keeping your opinion to yourself. Which is my whole thing. I'm not going to repeat myself again but I just don't see why people have to have their opinion be known. If I know my opinion then thats enough for me, I dont feel the need to have to tell someone it.

And thanks about your modified comment. I will absolutely pay attention to what my viewers have to say however. I actually really care about what they have to say. If you watch my stream you should know this. But if they actually try to argue with whose opinion is right, then I will stop caring. Personal opinions are neither right or wrong, they are opinions, you can't argue that yours is right so just keep it to yourself! So when people act like that (such as this situation), then I will then actually stop respecting them. However, this is a very rare case, maybe only 1% of all my viewers feel so overly compelled to voice their opinion. Which again, is why I wonder what makes that 1% really feel the need to let people know their opinion is right and someone else's is wrong when 99% of people have more dignity than that. So yeah, 99% of the time there are no problems, I encourage my viewers to give me feedback and its all good. But that 1% of the time when people act in a manner I just described, I will call them out.

And I never say anyone is stupid or an idiot... in fact I'm not sure what words I would use to describe them. I guess undignified if that's a word (no red squiggly line under it so i think im good to go haha). What I mean is have enough respect for your own opinion and actually take pride in yourself! Be dignified, your opinion is important! You don't need to let the world know your opinion just for it to be valued! Be dignified!

And lastly, thanks, more awesome content will be coming out shortly!! Of course my LAN is coming up and hopefully I will be providing a lot more great episodes of Big TV and get the opportunity to host other great tournaments!

GOGO SC2!!!

On July 27 2010 01:45 Scarecrow wrote:
You're not going to get anywhere with your attitude Big T. I came here from your blog and put myself through this thread. You're arrogant and dismissive, pissing people off to the point where almost everyone is against you then you call them wrong (undignified...really?) for voicing criticism. Notice that other streams don't get this kind of flak, maybe it's your attitude that's the problem here?

"Be dignified, keep your opinion to yourself" doesn't make sense. I value my opinion and thus I think it's worth sharing so I'll keep it to myself??? You have a very strange notion of what a forum is about.

On July 27 2010 02:04 Scarecrow wrote:

I hoped that just maybe, by adding my voice to the chorus, you might start to realize that it is your attitude that is the problem here. Learn to take criticism and not respond to everything people post, that is unless you're a believer in 'any publicity is good publicity'.

You are doing the exact same thing as everyone else here, voicing your opinion. You're an ironic hypocrite posting your own negative opinion on other people's opinions. Take your own advice, keep it to yourself, and this thread wouldn't be in its current state.