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On July 26 2010 09:59 Cpt.Nasty wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 09:55 BigT wrote:On July 26 2010 09:53 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
Big T, any criticism I give you is going to be my personal opinion. I'm not sure what professional institute you work for where "constructive criticism" isn't automatically assumed to come from personal opinion.
I understand that, but your still missing the part where you didnt acknowledge anything i said first. Which thus makes it NON-constructive and therefore totally just your opinion. Pretty straightforward.... That'd be like me saying "I just can't beat mutalisk... I know if I just make stalkers I can beat them!" And you responding, "No, you can't beat them with stalkers, you have to build phoenixes". After I JUST SAID THAT I COULD... Like your completely disrespecting what I had to say.... That's NOT constructive at all.... I'm not sure I follow. I don't think your definition of "constructive" fits with the way the rest of us use it. My whole post was about the way you deal with you audience/criticism. You responded with "I'm not even going to read that." which kinda goes to prove my point.
On July 26 2010 09:55 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 09:53 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
Big T, any criticism I give you is going to be my personal opinion. I'm not sure what professional institute you work for where "constructive criticism" isn't automatically assumed to come from personal opinion.
I understand that, but your still missing the part where you didnt acknowledge anything i said first. Which thus makes it NON-constructive and therefore totally just your opinion. Pretty straightforward.... That'd be like me saying "I just can't beat mutalisk... I know if I just make stalkers I can beat them!" And you responding, "No, you can't beat them with stalkers, you have to build phoenixes". After I JUST SAID THAT I COULD... Like your completely disrespecting what I had to say.... That's NOT constructive at all.... A constructive response would be, "yeah, your stalker micro just sucks, learn to micro your stalkers better and you can beat mutalisk". Even though thats kind of rude, it takes into account WHAT I JUST SAID. It doesnt completely ignore it and disrespect it... thus making it constructive! Thats the difference!
How many times do I have to repeat myself... It doesn't prove your point because it wasn't constructive criticism... Can't you see the difference?
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BigT can you explain why you feel that you are able to charge people 10-15$ / hour for lessons on starcraft 2 ? I think that's what I remember you telling people last time I watched your stream. The fact you are planning on getting people to pay you to host SC2 tournaments / lan's also adds to the ridiculousness, care to elaborate on all of this?
Theres actually nothing wrong with you hosting tournaments, except when you take into consideration that you are trying to profit off of it, trying to make money off of the community. No offense but In my honest opinion, you aren't qualified to make money off of the community, I mean come on seriously, it takes a lot of greed for a person to mainly focus on money when SC2 is concerned , when the player is not trying to make money solely off of the SC2 gameplay, but rather little schemes like teaching people for money, and hosting tournaments that bring profit, it's obvious greed in my opinion.
Let me guess I wrote to much so you're not going to read it.
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I dunno BigT, me and everyone else in the thread has said it was constructive criticism. You made up some new grammar rule where for it to be "constructive" I have to acknowledge something you said. I'm only %80 sure, but I think I even addressed that kind of thinking in my first post, which you have refused to read and continue to argue about.
If this is how you deal with inconsequential people on the internet trying to help you out, I shudder to think about how you would deal with any business partners or disgruntled customers. People who pay for your time are going to be much more demanding when it comes to communication skills.
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No sir, thats why i read the first two paragraphs. I wanted to hear you out, but after you completely ignored and disrespected what I just said I only then stopped reading.
And, I didn't "make it up" like it's some official rule lol. I'm just telling you what I consider constructive criticism and what i just consider personal opinion. And your still not acknowledging what I'm trying to say lol.
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On July 26 2010 10:19 BigT wrote:
No sir, thats why i read the first two paragraphs. I wanted to hear you out, but after you completely ignored and disrespected what I just said I only then stopped reading.
Trebis could have said the same thing. He could have read "This Cpn.Nasty guy is a hater" and ignored me like you did. Then maybe we'd still be staring at his glaringly white room with his three other viewers, instead of looking at his bad-ass unit portrait placement of his project that is pretty damn successful imo.
But he didn't. He set his ego aside and took what I told him without getting defensive.
If I can't acknowledge what you say, that's because, and once again I'm not hating, but a good half of what you write, especially when you get defensive, is intelligible. Maybe if you stopped referring to what you said, or making new examples about what you said, and just saying what you mean would be for the best.
People have been giving you constructive criticism. You can just go "well constructive criticism means x, y, and z" as an argument for ignoring it when you didn't even give the definition in the OP. Not to mention that operating under an entirely different definition of "constructive criticism" than the rest of the world is completely unhelpful to the rest of us.
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BigT's stream was one of my favorite streams on TL2. Reasons for that are:
- Extremely high quality stream resolution-wise. You won't find many streams here with that quality.
- Like other said, he's a low APM player that does very well. That's very encouraging to watch since a lot of people make high APM to be the maker or breaker of your game.
- He keeps his cool the entire game which is very impressive as well. Another thing to learn from.
- He does take time to answer your questions at the end of his streaming session.
- He offers lessons which is nothing to be ashamed of. He does a good job with them as well.
- He runs a "show" every wednesday. I don't watch it, but I hear good things about it in general. Regardless, it's nice that he takes the time to do it.
Why I don't watch his stream anymore:
I have literally watched his stream since the beta started. I used to watch Orb but then switched to BigT. I just liked BigT's style more. But with BigT, you are walking on egg shells all the time. What you say on his stream chat may or may not get you banned depending on the alignment of the stars. I know because I've been a viewer for a long time.
My last experience with him was tuning in and noticing that his mic was a bit too close to his mouth. You could hear him breathing quite loud. Something that no one would ever find "comfortable" to listen to. I put it very nicely saying "BigT, just a FYI, we can hear you breathing through the mic". I got a ban...forever. He then proceeded to tell everyone on the stream how annoying it is when someone "new" (I've been on his stream since beta started and even tried to help him set up his Chrome with AdBlock) just comes in and tells him something so obvious... like he never "heard that before". Why did he find that offensive is his business and right. I would expect any streamer to be like "oh... let me see what I can do about that". why would you want your viewers listening to you breathing all game long anyway?
I respected his decision of banning me and decided to no longer view his stream. I PMed him but never heard back. I miss it sometimes since it is a high quality stream in more ways than not. I see him as having potential for becoming a really good player with a really good stream. I wish you the best of luck BigT.
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@Telecom: Why are you so obsessed with me giving lessons lol? The only reason I started giving lessons in the first place is because people ASKED ME! I never even gave thought about it! And I'm not trying to make money off of people, I'm providing a service... Your perception is just extremely skewed haha.
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On July 26 2010 10:22 Cpt.Nasty wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 10:19 BigT wrote:
No sir, thats why i read the first two paragraphs. I wanted to hear you out, but after you completely ignored and disrespected what I just said I only then stopped reading. Trebis could have said the same thing. He could have read "This Cpn.Nasty guy is a hater" and ignored me like you did. Then maybe we'd still be staring at his glaringly white room with his three other viewers, instead of looking at his bad-ass unit portrait placement of his project that is pretty damn successful imo. But he didn't. He set his ego aside and took what I told him without getting defensive.
Why should I respect you when you don't respect me?
@Kinslayer: Let me ask you this... Did you really think I didnt know people on the stream can hear me breathing from time to time??? Did you think no ones told me that before already??? I actually heard it so many times that I said, "I'm going to ban anyone who says im breathing into my mic" and thats why I banned you, simple as that. As far as assuming you were new i apologize.... I just did because anyone whose been watching my stream would already know that would happen lol. But rest assured because i cleared all bans for the offical game release :D
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This thread has definitely given me a laugh.
BigT, you are a decent player from when I occasionally watch your stream, however, you really need to learn what constructive criticism is. I'll give you an example.
Personal Opinion : You are arrogant.
Constructive Criticism : BigT, I really think you need to be more respectable to your viewers. You offer a high quality stream and a decent level of play that could be very beneficial to some players, but your attitude really deters people from watching your stream and participating in both the chat and directly with you. You should try working on explaining your builds and decisions more (as you said you would post launch in your initial post) as well as explaining why or why not ideas and suggestions from the chat would work. You definitely have the potential to be a great and valued member in the TL community, but the way you receive comments about your starcraft 2 skills and the way you present yourself really makes it hard for people to want to interact with you.
Good luck with whatever you end up doing in SC2 BigT.
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BigT, I don't expect you to respect me. I've given you some respect because I find that when you automatically give people some basic courtesies (kissing ass is not one of these), you get them in return.
I've given you what I would call "workplace" respect. Cordial, but not overly sensitive or nice.
You're a businessman. Surely you know how important appearances and communication is. So I will not push the issue any farther. Instead, whenever anyone asks me if they should hire BigT to tutor them in SC2, I will link them to this thread and let you speak for yourself.
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On July 26 2010 10:39 Alou wrote:
This thread has definitely given me a laugh.
BigT, you are a decent player from when I occasionally watch your stream, however, you really need to learn what constructive criticism is. I'll give you an example.
Personal Opinion : You are arrogant.
Constructive Criticism : BigT, I really think you need to be more respectable to your viewers. You offer a high quality stream and a decent level of play that could be very beneficial to some players, but your attitude really deters people from watching your stream and participating in both the chat and directly with you. You should try working on explaining your builds and decisions more (as you said you would post launch in your initial post) as well as explaining why or why not ideas and suggestions from the chat would work. You definitely have the potential to be a great and valued member in the TL community, but the way you receive comments about your starcraft 2 skills and the way you present yourself really makes it hard for people to want to interact with you.
Good luck with whatever you end up doing in SC2 BigT.
I already do understand the difference... It's everyone else that does not... And I dont know if your just using that as an example or you mean it but ill pretend that you mean it lol. THE MAJORITY of the time I present myself quite well, if you watch the stream you know this, anyone who watches the stream knows this.
However, it is a pet peeve of mine that people love to voice their own personal opinion. They go out of their way to do it which I just don't understand... Take this thread for example... All I did was create a thread for my stream and people went out of their way to come to MY THREAD and talk shit on me... Why???? Why would these people do that??? To feel better about themselves???!!! When people do this I will voice my opinion about it even if it isn't presentable because I just cant stand it. And thats not the entire TL community... its just those select people.
So I value your criticism (even if it was just an example lol), but I will not stop reacting the way I did towards these people who feel the need to let the entire world know their personal opinion.
Thank you again for making that clarification, I hope all those flamers read this and learn the difference.
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On July 26 2010 10:40 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
BigT, I don't expect you to respect me.
And that's your problem. Thats why you were merely just voicing your own opinion instead of giving me constructive criticism. You didn't expect me to respect you. You didn't read what I had to say and digest it. You didnt respect what I had to say or acknowledge it. You just wrote what YOU thought, pure personal opinion. If you really care like you say you do, try actually acknowledging some of the things I said and then try again. But if your just going to continue to disregard every word that I'm saying then I'm not going to listen.
EDIT: FML Sorry, I really need to stop double posting I just forget when I start writing >_<*
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On July 26 2010 10:45 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 10:39 Alou wrote:
This thread has definitely given me a laugh.
BigT, you are a decent player from when I occasionally watch your stream, however, you really need to learn what constructive criticism is. I'll give you an example.
Personal Opinion : You are arrogant.
Constructive Criticism : BigT, I really think you need to be more respectable to your viewers. You offer a high quality stream and a decent level of play that could be very beneficial to some players, but your attitude really deters people from watching your stream and participating in both the chat and directly with you. You should try working on explaining your builds and decisions more (as you said you would post launch in your initial post) as well as explaining why or why not ideas and suggestions from the chat would work. You definitely have the potential to be a great and valued member in the TL community, but the way you receive comments about your starcraft 2 skills and the way you present yourself really makes it hard for people to want to interact with you.
Good luck with whatever you end up doing in SC2 BigT. I already do understand the difference... It's everyone else that does not... And I dont know if your just using that as an example or you mean it but ill pretend that you mean it lol. THE MAJORITY of the time I present myself quite well, if you watch the stream you know this, anyone who watches the stream knows this. However, it is a pet peeve of mine that people love to voice their own personal opinion. They go out of their way to do it which I just don't understand... Take this thread for example... All I did was create a thread for my stream and people went out of their way to come to MY THREAD and talk shit on me... Why???? Why would these people do that??? To feel better about themselves???!!! When people do this I will voice my opinion about it even if it isn't presentable because I just cant stand it. And thats not the entire TL community... its just those select people. So I value your criticism (even if it was just an example lol), but I will not stop reacting the way I did towards these people who feel the need to let the entire world know their personal opinion. Thank you again for making that clarification, I hope all those flamers read this and learn the difference.
It's a forum. The point isn't for your thread to be your own personal blog. It's for you to interact with your stream viewers. No one is blatantly attacking you. They are all being constructive and I think you need to step back and then come back and read their posts. The way you are responding right now is not giving people the best impression of you.
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On July 26 2010 10:50 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 10:40 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
BigT, I don't expect you to respect me.
And that's your problem. Thats why you were merely just voicing your own opinion instead of giving me constructive criticism. You didn't expect me to respect you. You didn't read what I had to say and digest it. You didnt respect what I had to say or acknowledge it. You just wrote what YOU thought, pure personal opinion. If you really care like you say you do, try actually acknowledging some of the things I said and then try again. But if your just going to continue to disregard every word that I'm saying then I'm not going to listen. EDIT: FML Sorry, I really need to stop double posting I just forget when I start writing >_<*
You keep saying I didn't read what you said. What I read was "I can handle constructive criticism."
I gave it. You refused to accept it, which is fine, you never have to accept my criticism, constructive or not. But you keep saying that it wasn't constructive or somehow offensive to you. I was completely polite and professional. I even cited another thread in which I gave the same kind of advice and it ended up helping the guy.
You just seem to be stuck in the thinking that if I don't sugarcoat everything with how awesome you are than I'm automatically flaming you, which is definitely not what I've been doing, as everyone who has actually read the post has told you.
You are just flat out wrong here, BigT. Think about this for a minute. Why would everyone else who has read my post, including me the author, lie to you about the content of the post?
And if you are so sure that everyone in this thread is a liar, why don't you just read the rest of it and find out for yourself?
You are free to ignore my advice. However, I find it disingenuous of you to ask for constructive criticism and to then completely ignore it because it doesn't fit your definition of what is constructive without bringing your special criteria to the forefront to begin with.
"If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all" kinda contradicts "I can handle constructive criticism."
Which is it, do you want people to only be nice to you in this thread, or do you want constructive criticism?
Do you know why I expect you to listen to what I have to say? Because it would actually help you to man-up and take some constructive criticism once in awhile, even if it doesn't stroke your ego at the same time. Because the kind of advice I give, while not anything mindblowing, is well thought out and helpful. Because everyone else in this thread has said it was good advice. I expect that you would listen to my advice because you want to succeed and I'm telling you what you need to hear if you want to be great.
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On July 26 2010 10:52 Alou wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 10:45 BigT wrote:On July 26 2010 10:39 Alou wrote:
This thread has definitely given me a laugh.
BigT, you are a decent player from when I occasionally watch your stream, however, you really need to learn what constructive criticism is. I'll give you an example.
Personal Opinion : You are arrogant.
Constructive Criticism : BigT, I really think you need to be more respectable to your viewers. You offer a high quality stream and a decent level of play that could be very beneficial to some players, but your attitude really deters people from watching your stream and participating in both the chat and directly with you. You should try working on explaining your builds and decisions more (as you said you would post launch in your initial post) as well as explaining why or why not ideas and suggestions from the chat would work. You definitely have the potential to be a great and valued member in the TL community, but the way you receive comments about your starcraft 2 skills and the way you present yourself really makes it hard for people to want to interact with you.
Good luck with whatever you end up doing in SC2 BigT. I already do understand the difference... It's everyone else that does not... And I dont know if your just using that as an example or you mean it but ill pretend that you mean it lol. THE MAJORITY of the time I present myself quite well, if you watch the stream you know this, anyone who watches the stream knows this. However, it is a pet peeve of mine that people love to voice their own personal opinion. They go out of their way to do it which I just don't understand... Take this thread for example... All I did was create a thread for my stream and people went out of their way to come to MY THREAD and talk shit on me... Why???? Why would these people do that??? To feel better about themselves???!!! When people do this I will voice my opinion about it even if it isn't presentable because I just cant stand it. And thats not the entire TL community... its just those select people. So I value your criticism (even if it was just an example lol), but I will not stop reacting the way I did towards these people who feel the need to let the entire world know their personal opinion. Thank you again for making that clarification, I hope all those flamers read this and learn the difference. It's a forum. The point isn't for your thread to be your own personal blog. It's for you to interact with your stream viewers. No one is blatantly attacking you. They are all being constructive and I think you need to step back and then come back and read their posts. The way you are responding right now is not giving people the best impression of you.
I'm not treating it as a blog. And yes actually, some people are most definitely personally attacking me... And the rest that I'm arguing with are NOT being constructive... Didn't you just give the example of whats constructive and whats personal opinion? It was correct I agreed with you lol. So by your own definition these flamers are clearly not giving constructive criticism. And honestly, if people cant see why I'm reacting the way I am, then I'd be surprised... I'm not worried about damaging my reputation, I'm pretty everyone should be able to see why I'm reacting the way I am, and if not, I'm still going to defend myself.
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If you have read the whole of my original post you would realize it was incredibly similar to the one you accepted as constructive criticism. But, having refused to read it in the first place, how would you have known that? The example of what fit as constructive criticism? Totally fits my post.
I can totally see why you are acting the way you are. That's a bit part of what I and others have been talking about. I can understand your reactions, they're just not appropriate. In the sense that you are overly defensive and keep making claims of being personally attacked when this is probably the most mild thread on the internet.
I mean, I think the closest thing anyone did to attack you was say something along the lines of
"Maybe you could take criticism a little better"
To which you responded
"I can totally take constructive criticism don't personally attack me this is MY thread I MADE IT don't personally attack me it wasn't even constructive criticism because I said before the things you didn't acknowledge before!"
Maybe you should do as someone suggested before and take a little break from the internet. I know there are a lot of haters out there who want to bring you down man, but they aren't in this thread. You're starting to see personal attacks where they aren't there.
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On July 26 2010 10:58 Cpt.Nasty wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 10:50 BigT wrote:On July 26 2010 10:40 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
BigT, I don't expect you to respect me.
And that's your problem. Thats why you were merely just voicing your own opinion instead of giving me constructive criticism. You didn't expect me to respect you. You didn't read what I had to say and digest it. You didnt respect what I had to say or acknowledge it. You just wrote what YOU thought, pure personal opinion. If you really care like you say you do, try actually acknowledging some of the things I said and then try again. But if your just going to continue to disregard every word that I'm saying then I'm not going to listen. EDIT: FML Sorry, I really need to stop double posting I just forget when I start writing >_<* You keep saying I didn't read what you said. What I read was "I can handle constructive criticism." I gave it. You refused to accept it, which is fine, you never have to accept my criticism, constructive or not. But you keep saying that it wasn't constructive or somehow offensive to you. I was completely polite and professional. I even cited another thread in which I gave the same kind of advice and it ended up helping the guy. You just seem to be stuck in the thinking that if I don't sugarcoat everything with how awesome you are than I'm automatically flaming you, which is definitely not what I've been doing, as everyone who has actually read the post has told you. You are just flat out wrong here, BigT. Think about this for a minute. Why would everyone else who has read my post, including me the author, lie to you about the content of the post? And if you are so sure that everyone in this thread is a liar, why don't you just read the rest of it and find out for yourself? You are free to ignore my advice. However, I find it disingenuous of you to ask for constructive criticism and to then completely ignore it because it doesn't fit your definition of what is constructive without bringing your special criteria to the forefront to begin with. "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all" kinda contradicts "I can handle constructive criticism." Which is it, do you want people to only be nice to you in this thread, or do you want constructive criticism?
Again, your taking my quote "if you dont have anything nice to say, then dont say it at all" out of context, further proving that your not acknowledging anything i say lol.
Also, I never said you were lying about your post, I'm just saying that it was not constructive criticism, and your not accepting it because you want to be right (The whole reason for all of this in the first place). You wanted to just voice your personal opinion and be right.
Stop saying you gave me constructive criticism and this is an example of me not being able to take constructive criticism because you didnt. You completely disrepecting what I said and voiced purely your own opinion instead. And the fact that your STILL arguing about this is just further proving my point. You are continuing to completely ignore and disrespect what I have to say instead of acknowledging it. A proper, constructive way to respond would be something like this...
"Big T ok I get that you dont think what i said earlier was constructive criticism, but you should just accept it anyway, because its the truth etc, etc, etc...." That would actually show your respecting what I have to say and then would therefore be constructive.
Instead your continuing to disrespect entirely what I have to say lol.
On July 26 2010 11:07 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
If you have read the whole of my original post you would realize it was incredibly similar to the one you accepted as constructive criticism. But, having refused to read it in the first place, how would you have known that? The example of what fit as constructive criticism? Totally fits my post.
I can totally see why you are acting the way you are. That's a bit part of what I and others have been talking about. I can understand your reactions, they're just not appropriate. In the sense that you are overly defensive and keep making claims of being personally attacked when this is probably the most mild thread on the internet.
I mean, I think the closest thing anyone did to attack you was say something along the lines of
"Maybe you could take criticism a little better"
To which you responded
"I can totally take constructive criticism don't personally attack me this is MY thread I MADE IT don't personally attack me it wasn't even constructive criticism because I said before the things you didn't acknowledge before!"
Maybe you should do as someone suggested before and take a little break from the internet. I know there are a lot of haters out there who want to bring you down man, but they aren't in this thread. You're starting to see personal attacks where they aren't there.
It was similar, but not exactly... In the example, he clearly related to something I said, you did not. And I did read what you had to say... I read the first two paragraphs and realized that everything you had to say was personal opinion, you didnt relate to anything I had said. And I cant believe you dont think people are personally attacking me.... Let me find some quotes lol.
"I dislike this caster"
"I really dont like this kind of blatant advertisement. Its one thing if you actually had something to contribute to the community but your stream is pretty horrid and full of ego. You're only a mid level diamond player. just my 2 cents."
"I dont care to act like im amazing and charge people for lessons. Ive watched your stream, you're a complete tool to your opponents."
"Your attitude is piss poor and your attempt at making more and more money off of scrubs is really sad."
"I don't understand how you are going to try to get people to pay you for lessons, or how you plan to do sc2 events with an attitude like this"
"I mean come on seriously, it takes a lot of greed for a person to mainly focus on money when SC2 is concerned , when the player is not trying to make money solely off of the SC2 gameplay, but rather little schemes like teaching people for money, and hosting tournaments that bring profit, it's obvious greed in my opinion."
If you actually respected what i said, i didnt say EVERYONE i had a problem with was personally attacking me, only some of them... And here are examples. If you cant even acknowledge that, then I cant even believe your honestly trying to help me. Those are clear insults that are completely made up... They are disgusting to even copy/paste.
But like I said, most of the people I have a problem with (like you), are people who are just going out of their way to post their own personal opinion for no reason. You continue to tell yourself you were being constructive, but perception is reality. And I didn't perceive it as constructive, so guess what? In reality, it wasn't constructive to me. Why? Because you failed to acknowledge anything I said in the first two paragraphs, in fact you actually argued and made fun of me in them.
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BigT, the only one in the thread saying it wasn't constructive criticism is you. Everyone else who has commented on it has said it was constructive criticism. Almost every time you make the claim it wasn't constructive criticism, someone chimes in that "yes, in fact, it was constructive criticism."
How is it that we can have 5+ people be wrong with a common definition, yet you are right?
I offered time and effort to give you what is commonly accepted as constructive criticism. It's almost insulting the way you're dismissing it, but amusing because it shows the exact kind of behavior I discussed in the first place.
Would you mind doing us all the favor and giving us your exact definition of "constructive criticism" as you would put it in a dictionary (i.e not referencing this thread)
I'm still shocked you don't think constructive criticism contains personal opinion lol.
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On July 26 2010 02:26 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 01:58 Frack wrote:
Need to post a link to your stream there fella :D
Although i already know it as im a fan <3 Damn, just assumed that every username was linked to a single stream?? Therefore a MOD would just look at my username and find my stream?? Maybe im just a retard haha. Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 02:02 TLOBrian wrote:
I dislike this caster, he doesn't take constructive criticism well. Especially when it comes to walling off with a gate pylon and zealot to a zergling rush. I know what your referring to by saying i dont "take constructive criticism well" but thats wrong. The problem is when people just try to TELL me what to do like they are the better player without having any evidence of backing it up. For example, if someone says "You should have built cannons" without ANY explanation, I'm not going to listen to him. Or if someone says "Your just a newb for losing to speedlings". That in no way is constructive criticism. So yeah, I don't handle those types of comments well and unfortunately, the bulk of my comments consist of one of those examples, so most of the time it would seem that I'm not "taking constructive criticism well". But IMO that's not constructive criticism. If someone actually has something thoughtful to say, approaches me in an appropriate, non-condescending manner, and backs up their information (which some people do do!) then I will most certainly take what they have to say into consideration 
It was a game where you were raging that your zealot let by the speedlings and you thought that you had the poor zealot in the right position, multiple people were in chat saying that the zealot was ever so slightly to the side, not being rude about it. And then you proceeded to ban a bunch of people.
I can understand some nerd rage but come on, they're trying to make it so you don't put your zealot there anymore, or maybe check the position of it by rotating a bit to make sure.
Anyway, you might have improved in taking feedback like that, but I don't think I'll be watching your stream again. Especially when you play other streamers and talk bad about them as well
Just my opinion : )
Edit: When there's 3 pages of people telling you you're wrong, YOU'RE WRONG!
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On July 26 2010 11:23 TLOBrian wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2010 02:26 BigT wrote:On July 26 2010 01:58 Frack wrote:
Need to post a link to your stream there fella :D
Although i already know it as im a fan <3 Damn, just assumed that every username was linked to a single stream?? Therefore a MOD would just look at my username and find my stream?? Maybe im just a retard haha. On July 26 2010 02:02 TLOBrian wrote:
I dislike this caster, he doesn't take constructive criticism well. Especially when it comes to walling off with a gate pylon and zealot to a zergling rush. I know what your referring to by saying i dont "take constructive criticism well" but thats wrong. The problem is when people just try to TELL me what to do like they are the better player without having any evidence of backing it up. For example, if someone says "You should have built cannons" without ANY explanation, I'm not going to listen to him. Or if someone says "Your just a newb for losing to speedlings". That in no way is constructive criticism. So yeah, I don't handle those types of comments well and unfortunately, the bulk of my comments consist of one of those examples, so most of the time it would seem that I'm not "taking constructive criticism well". But IMO that's not constructive criticism. If someone actually has something thoughtful to say, approaches me in an appropriate, non-condescending manner, and backs up their information (which some people do do!) then I will most certainly take what they have to say into consideration It was a game where you were raging that your zealot let by the speedlings and you thought that you had the poor zealot in the right position, multiple people were in chat saying that the zealot was ever so slightly to the side, not being rude about it. And then you proceeded to ban a bunch of people. I can understand some nerd rage but come on, they're trying to make it so you don't put your zealot there anymore, or maybe check the position of it by rotating a bit to make sure. Anyway, you might have improved in taking feedback like that, but I don't think I'll be watching your stream again. Especially when you play other streamers and talk bad about them as well Just my opinion : ) Edit: When there's 3 pages of people telling you you're wrong, YOU'RE WRONG!
I never ban anyone without a reason, I can't remember the specific example your referring to, so i cant defend my reasons, but I would never ban someone without a reason, period. And I never talk bad about other streamers?
On July 26 2010 11:20 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
BigT, the only one in the thread saying it wasn't constructive criticism is you. Everyone else who has commented on it has said it was constructive criticism. Almost every time you make the claim it wasn't constructive criticism, someone chimes in that "yes, in fact, it was constructive criticism."
How is it that we can have 5+ people be wrong with a common definition, yet you are right?
I offered time and effort to give you what is commonly accepted as constructive criticism. It's almost insulting the way you're dismissing it, but amusing because it shows the exact kind of behavior I discussed in the first place.
Would you mind doing us all the favor and giving us your exact definition of "constructive criticism" as you would put it in a dictionary (i.e not referencing this thread)
I'm still shocked you don't think constructive criticism contains personal opinion lol.
Are you honestly even reading what im saying?????? Let me repeat all these things yet again lol.
1. Perception is reality. How I perceive something is my reality. I perceived your post as personal opinion therefore it was. It's my perception therefore I'm right, not wrong.
2. Your continuing to argue which is exactly what I was talking about. All you guys get off about constantly trying to prove to me that your right and im wrong. Are you doing it to feel better about yourself? Like why are you continuing to try to prove that your right? Perception is reality (refer to #1).
3. I'm dismissing it because i didnt perceive it as constructive criticism (refer to #1).
4. I NEVER SAID constructive criticism doesn't contain personal opinion. I'm saying when personal opinion doesn't construct on top of anything then its no longer constructive.
Please, just actually read what I say...
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