[Stream] Big T

On July 26 2010 01:58 Frack wrote:
Need to post a link to your stream there fella :D

Although i already know it as im a fan <3

On July 26 2010 02:02 TLOBrian wrote:
I dislike this caster, he doesn't take constructive criticism well. Especially when it comes to walling off with a gate pylon and zealot to a zergling rush.

On July 26 2010 02:26 Toran7 wrote:
loved your beta tournament coverage! Can't wait for more!

On July 26 2010 02:05 Frack wrote:
Haha i remember a few of those games, BigT when facing a zerg you take the expansion and a few times speedlings run past your ramp because you put your forces down the ramp and couldnt ff in time. I always wondered why you didnt leave a few units up on the ramp? Just in case, OR build a pylon to block at a vulnerable time and just cancel it before it completes, sure you lose a few minerals but your ramp is protected for long enough to get an ff up and deal with it :D

On July 26 2010 02:56 DGenerate wrote:
I like watching this stream because it shows that low APM players have a fair shot at being good. He still has a lot to learn (as we all do) but being a mid platinum player, I learn a lot watching him.

On July 26 2010 02:57 Frack wrote:
I will, i love the streams :D been watching yours for a good few months now. Are you doing a midnight launch? Id love to be around when you do the placement games.

On July 26 2010 03:22 LumberJack wrote:
I really dont like this kind of blatant advertisement. Its one thing if you actually had something to contribute to the community but your stream is pretty horrid and full of ego. You're only a mid level diamond player. just my 2 cents.

Make it a blog if you want to be like this

On July 26 2010 03:04 vyyye wrote:
BigTV is one of the reasons that moved me from copper to diamond. Hell, I remember my first ever 'practice games' (me and mate watching Day9 and tried to 'learn' rather than 'play' ) went to hell because we simply didn't have the game knowledge to properly practice. Ended up with me doing Nonys 2gate stargate build (with poor execution, mind you) and I didn't lose a game. We played quite a few but the thought of blink stalkers or anything never occured to us.

Watched this stream later and there was about 20-30 minutes of "Ask questions and I'll answer". Asked about countering a phoenix build and BigT just showed a replay where he faced the exact same build. Sure enough, the counter should've been obvious but wasn't for me and my mate (never played BW either), after that we played around with it again but this time the winning streak of the phoenix build was halted.

Definitely learnt a lot from this stream, not to mention it's entertaining. Subtle rage and the almost overconfident attitude of the streamer with the commentary keeps it from being like 80% of the streams out there (looking at you godawful music streams/people with microphones who spend more time breathing into it than actually commentating). Keep it up, dude.

On July 26 2010 03:36 ss6290 wrote:
Good stuff. I actually enjoy BigT's stream. When I'm not playing on ladder, it's relaxing to watch BigT play and see what kind of strategies and builds that work well. My personal favorite is probably the KOTHs and it's probably one of my favorite streams on TL. Keep it up.

On July 26 2010 08:47 BigT wrote:
@ Cpt.Nasty: Yeah I'm not even reading all that haha...

On July 26 2010 08:47 BigT wrote:
@ Cpt.Nasty: Yeah I'm not even reading all that haha. From the words of Day[9] himself, "There is no reason to prove that your right over the internet". Look how much time you devoted into trying to prove your point, no one cares, keep it to yourself. That's why I get mad. All you people are trying to do is show the world that your right. Sorry to break it to you but NO ONE CARES!!! .

On July 26 2010 09:14 iokke wrote:
I didn't come here to prove you wrong, I came because I liked your stream, how you replied to some of the posts was very disappointing and made me leave a comment like that. Still think you are a good player and hopefully this is not your character but you are just having a rough day.

On July 26 2010 09:17 BigT wrote:
No, your coming to voice your opinion, just like that other guy. Your going out of your way to come to MY THREAD to voice YOUR OPINION when no one asked you to.

[it might be better if you ignored unsubstantiated put-downs/criticisms or responded more like: ]

Viewer A- "BUILD MORE CANNONS NUUUUUUB!"

Mr.Big-T-
"I see some people suggesting cannons, the reason I didn't go cannons here is because I needed the money more zealots because I saw there was a window in his timing that I could abuse."

Now you sound like a confident, intelligent, skilled player who not only plays decently, but can explain the reasoning behind every one of their moves. If you can explain why you did/did not do this based on x, y and z, you accomplish many things. You educate, show your knowledge, and show that you can take any question seriously, even if it's some dumbass spamming "cannons!" in your chat.


That's my advice. At the least it sounds better than complaining about the feedback IMO.

On July 26 2010 09:25 iokke wrote:

So why did you make a thread if you don't want people posting?
Or you just made this to hear how great you are?

Anyway, take a deep breath, again, i didn't come here to criticize you. If I wanted to argue with you I'd be posting differently.
I came because I was gonna see if there is anything new about your stream and probably leave you a "thank you comment"... but ended up not doing so because of how you are acting. I get it, you don't care, go on as you please, but sometimes it is worth taking what others say into consideration.. Not as criticism perhaps, but maybe you'll simply see how some of the fans might react to different behavior.

On July 26 2010 09:34 cucumber wrote:
The constructive criticism part of the long post you didn't read was basically this:



Seems like reasonable and constructive advice to me. Not that you need to take it though.

You created this thread about your stream and now people are discussing it. I understand you're disappointed in the direction it's gone, but people discussing your stream in a thread you created about your stream.... the above responses are sort of foreseeable.

I totally understand your frustration but my advice, which obviously you also don't have to take, would be to walk away from TL for a while before you get more angry, because you're not winning any new fans with your rage here.

On July 26 2010 09:41 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132256&currentpage=2

This is the best evidence I have. I gave Trebis the exact same kind of honest, blunt, constructive criticism. Look at how he responds to my criticism.

It's not an attack on you personally, it's the way you'd receive criticism in any professional venue.

Helping the guy out was even the reason I made the TL account. Some people were harshing on his background. They had a great point, but the way it was presented might have lead someone to believe it was more teasing than an actual problem.

So I made the account, and intelligently brought to light the major concern that was being expressed, albeit in an not necessarily friendly manner.

It's the same thing I did for you. I didn't do it to hate, I did it because I want you to succeed, believe it or not.

Edit- Don't get me wrong. I don't think I'm Jesus to streamers. Giving constructive criticism is as much a skill as knowing how to receive/use it. I practice it when I can/feel like it because it's a very real part of my career, and why not help someone out when it comes to streaming the awesome game that is sc2?

On July 26 2010 09:34 BigT wrote:

No, but if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say it at all... Whats the point of coming to my thread and saying something negative out of left field? Just for personal satisfaction? Are you going to sleep better now that you told me your personal opinion?

On July 26 2010 09:48 iokke wrote:


uhh, I was not BMing you (at least I did not think I was).. I was telling you you're not showing yourself in the best light. anyway I'll leave you alone, given that my posts only lead to more negativity, sry & gl

p.s. two more things though..
1 - you wanted constructive criticism and the post we started off talking about was exactly that, though not all of it was realistic (its impossible to respond with detail to all comments, though such responses every once in a while would be very insightful (like in the example with towers))
2 - your stream is good (at least when I was watching it I did not see a lot of BM some ppl were talking about) and I learned a few things from watching you, so thanks

On July 26 2010 09:53 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
Big T, any criticism I give you is going to be my personal opinion. I'm not sure what professional institute you work for where "constructive criticism" isn't automatically assumed to come from personal opinion.

On July 26 2010 09:55 BigT wrote:


I understand that, but your still missing the part where you didnt acknowledge anything i said first. Which thus makes it NON-constructive and therefore totally just your opinion. Pretty straightforward....

That'd be like me saying "I just can't beat mutalisk... I know if I just make stalkers I can beat them!"

And you responding, "No, you can't beat them with stalkers, you have to build phoenixes". After I JUST SAID THAT I COULD... Like your completely disrespecting what I had to say.... That's NOT constructive at all....

On July 26 2010 09:58 iokke wrote:
actually I think I did, but you on the other hand do precisely that continue with "I dont care" and this is just "personal opinion", prolly because you are already are taking everything way too offensively, sorry for an extra post, now I am starting to talk shit lol again gl

On July 26 2010 09:59 Cpt.Nasty wrote:



I'm not sure I follow. I don't think your definition of "constructive" fits with the way the rest of us use it.


My whole post was about the way you deal with you audience/criticism. You responded with "I'm not even going to read that." which kinda goes to prove my point.

On July 26 2010 09:55 BigT wrote:


I understand that, but your still missing the part where you didnt acknowledge anything i said first. Which thus makes it NON-constructive and therefore totally just your opinion. Pretty straightforward....

That'd be like me saying "I just can't beat mutalisk... I know if I just make stalkers I can beat them!"

And you responding, "No, you can't beat them with stalkers, you have to build phoenixes". After I JUST SAID THAT I COULD... Like your completely disrespecting what I had to say.... That's NOT constructive at all....

A constructive response would be, "yeah, your stalker micro just sucks, learn to micro your stalkers better and you can beat mutalisk". Even though thats kind of rude, it takes into account WHAT I JUST SAID. It doesnt completely ignore it and disrespect it... thus making it constructive! Thats the difference!

On July 26 2010 10:19 BigT wrote:
No sir, thats why i read the first two paragraphs. I wanted to hear you out, but after you completely ignored and disrespected what I just said I only then stopped reading.

On July 26 2010 10:22 Cpt.Nasty wrote:



Trebis could have said the same thing. He could have read "This Cpn.Nasty guy is a hater" and ignored me like you did. Then maybe we'd still be staring at his glaringly white room with his three other viewers, instead of looking at his bad-ass unit portrait placement of his project that is pretty damn successful imo.

But he didn't. He set his ego aside and took what I told him without getting defensive.

On July 26 2010 10:39 Alou wrote:
This thread has definitely given me a laugh.

BigT, you are a decent player from when I occasionally watch your stream, however, you really need to learn what constructive criticism is. I'll give you an example.

Personal Opinion : You are arrogant.

Constructive Criticism : BigT, I really think you need to be more respectable to your viewers. You offer a high quality stream and a decent level of play that could be very beneficial to some players, but your attitude really deters people from watching your stream and participating in both the chat and directly with you. You should try working on explaining your builds and decisions more (as you said you would post launch in your initial post) as well as explaining why or why not ideas and suggestions from the chat would work. You definitely have the potential to be a great and valued member in the TL community, but the way you receive comments about your starcraft 2 skills and the way you present yourself really makes it hard for people to want to interact with you.

Good luck with whatever you end up doing in SC2 BigT.

On July 26 2010 10:40 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
BigT, I don't expect you to respect me.

On July 26 2010 10:45 BigT wrote:


I already do understand the difference... It's everyone else that does not... And I dont know if your just using that as an example or you mean it but ill pretend that you mean it lol. THE MAJORITY of the time I present myself quite well, if you watch the stream you know this, anyone who watches the stream knows this.

However, it is a pet peeve of mine that people love to voice their own personal opinion. They go out of their way to do it which I just don't understand... Take this thread for example... All I did was create a thread for my stream and people went out of their way to come to MY THREAD and talk shit on me... Why???? Why would these people do that??? To feel better about themselves???!!! When people do this I will voice my opinion about it even if it isn't presentable because I just cant stand it. And thats not the entire TL community... its just those select people.

So I value your criticism (even if it was just an example lol), but I will not stop reacting the way I did towards these people who feel the need to let the entire world know their personal opinion.

Thank you again for making that clarification, I hope all those flamers read this and learn the difference.

On July 26 2010 10:50 BigT wrote:


And that's your problem. Thats why you were merely just voicing your own opinion instead of giving me constructive criticism. You didn't expect me to respect you. You didn't read what I had to say and digest it. You didnt respect what I had to say or acknowledge it. You just wrote what YOU thought, pure personal opinion. If you really care like you say you do, try actually acknowledging some of the things I said and then try again. But if your just going to continue to disregard every word that I'm saying then I'm not going to listen.

EDIT: FML Sorry, I really need to stop double posting I just forget when I start writing >_<*

On July 26 2010 10:52 Alou wrote:


It's a forum. The point isn't for your thread to be your own personal blog. It's for you to interact with your stream viewers. No one is blatantly attacking you. They are all being constructive and I think you need to step back and then come back and read their posts. The way you are responding right now is not giving people the best impression of you.

On July 26 2010 10:58 Cpt.Nasty wrote:



You keep saying I didn't read what you said. What I read was "I can handle constructive criticism."

I gave it. You refused to accept it, which is fine, you never have to accept my criticism, constructive or not. But you keep saying that it wasn't constructive or somehow offensive to you. I was completely polite and professional. I even cited another thread in which I gave the same kind of advice and it ended up helping the guy.

You just seem to be stuck in the thinking that if I don't sugarcoat everything with how awesome you are than I'm automatically flaming you, which is definitely not what I've been doing, as everyone who has actually read the post has told you.

You are just flat out wrong here, BigT. Think about this for a minute. Why would everyone else who has read my post, including me the author, lie to you about the content of the post?

And if you are so sure that everyone in this thread is a liar, why don't you just read the rest of it and find out for yourself?

You are free to ignore my advice. However, I find it disingenuous of you to ask for constructive criticism and to then completely ignore it because it doesn't fit your definition of what is constructive without bringing your special criteria to the forefront to begin with.

"If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all" kinda contradicts "I can handle constructive criticism."

Which is it, do you want people to only be nice to you in this thread, or do you want constructive criticism?

On July 26 2010 11:07 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
If you have read the whole of my original post you would realize it was incredibly similar to the one you accepted as constructive criticism. But, having refused to read it in the first place, how would you have known that? The example of what fit as constructive criticism? Totally fits my post.


I can totally see why you are acting the way you are. That's a bit part of what I and others have been talking about. I can understand your reactions, they're just not appropriate. In the sense that you are overly defensive and keep making claims of being personally attacked when this is probably the most mild thread on the internet.

I mean, I think the closest thing anyone did to attack you was say something along the lines of

"Maybe you could take criticism a little better"

To which you responded

"I can totally take constructive criticism don't personally attack me this is MY thread I MADE IT don't personally attack me it wasn't even constructive criticism because I said before the things you didn't acknowledge before!"


Maybe you should do as someone suggested before and take a little break from the internet. I know there are a lot of haters out there who want to bring you down man, but they aren't in this thread. You're starting to see personal attacks where they aren't there.

On July 26 2010 02:26 BigT wrote:


Damn, just assumed that every username was linked to a single stream?? Therefore a MOD would just look at my username and find my stream?? Maybe im just a retard haha.



I know what your referring to by saying i dont "take constructive criticism well" but thats wrong. The problem is when people just try to TELL me what to do like they are the better player without having any evidence of backing it up.

For example, if someone says "You should have built cannons" without ANY explanation, I'm not going to listen to him.

Or if someone says "Your just a newb for losing to speedlings". That in no way is constructive criticism.

So yeah, I don't handle those types of comments well and unfortunately, the bulk of my comments consist of one of those examples, so most of the time it would seem that I'm not "taking constructive criticism well". But IMO that's not constructive criticism.

If someone actually has something thoughtful to say, approaches me in an appropriate, non-condescending manner, and backs up their information (which some people do do!) then I will most certainly take what they have to say into consideration

On July 26 2010 11:23 TLOBrian wrote:


It was a game where you were raging that your zealot let by the speedlings and you thought that you had the poor zealot in the right position, multiple people were in chat saying that the zealot was ever so slightly to the side, not being rude about it. And then you proceeded to ban a bunch of people.

I can understand some nerd rage but come on, they're trying to make it so you don't put your zealot there anymore, or maybe check the position of it by rotating a bit to make sure.

Anyway, you might have improved in taking feedback like that, but I don't think I'll be watching your stream again. Especially when you play other streamers and talk bad about them as well

Just my opinion : )

Edit: When there's 3 pages of people telling you you're wrong, YOU'RE WRONG!

On July 26 2010 11:20 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
BigT, the only one in the thread saying it wasn't constructive criticism is you. Everyone else who has commented on it has said it was constructive criticism. Almost every time you make the claim it wasn't constructive criticism, someone chimes in that "yes, in fact, it was constructive criticism."

How is it that we can have 5+ people be wrong with a common definition, yet you are right?

I offered time and effort to give you what is commonly accepted as constructive criticism. It's almost insulting the way you're dismissing it, but amusing because it shows the exact kind of behavior I discussed in the first place.

Would you mind doing us all the favor and giving us your exact definition of "constructive criticism" as you would put it in a dictionary (i.e not referencing this thread)


I'm still shocked you don't think constructive criticism contains personal opinion lol.

On July 26 2010 11:59 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
I had no idea we were arguing the merits of personal realities here. I am no philosopher sir.

I'm pretty sure I would make the argument that human perception is incredibly flawed. I'm pretty sure everyone everywhere admits that human perception is flawed. It is this acknowledgment of the impossibility to perceive things %100 accurately with the human senses that we started to develop things like science and math, to eliminate "personal reality" which is easily translated into "personal opinion."

What you're telling us, and I'm not exaggerating here, is that you live in your own reality where you are always right and no one can argue against you because you are right.

Are you completely unaware of the vast amounts of philosophical and scientific works done on this very subject? Since before the classical Greeks we've known personal perception to be incredibly flawed.

If personal perception can be considered an authoritative reality, then why are eyewitness accounts accepted as one of the most unreliable forms of evidence?

I'm actually shocked someone has made the argument that their subjective opinion makes their reality as/more valid than the shared perception of everyone else.



The logic you used to argue your point doesn't make sense to me. You say you didn't read my post because it was personal opinion and not constructive criticism. Then you say that constructive criticism contains personal opinion. But you can't even be sure if my post actually meats your criteria because you didn't bother to read it.


Here's what I think happened. You read the first two paragraphs, saw that I wasn't praising you, got offended, stopped reading.


The only evidence you have about my post at all is your limited personal opinion. It's like reading the first two paragraphs of "Passage to India" then telling everyone else who's read the book that they don't know what it's about. That only you know what it's about because you read the first to paragraphs and your opinion (sorry, perception) is reality.

On July 26 2010 14:03 iokke wrote:
Cpt.Nasty, I'd say stop wasting your time, he will dismiss whatever you say as your personal opinion/flame/nonsense. You and a few other people tried to help him, he didn't listen, it was his choice not too (yes BigT, you had some straight up negative comments, f.e. i dont get criticism over paid lessons either; but in most posts no one was flaming you). I personally think that the advice was good, but maybe we are wrong, doesn't matter, you gave it, that's all you can do.

Continuing this conversation only makes it worse (in my personal opinion [not being sarcastic, this is actually just my opinion] - makes him look worse)

edit - and BigT, you did do good things for the community so props; try not to ruin that

On July 26 2010 11:54 Mazu wrote:
just want to say thanks for streaming BigT . I have been watching regularly since I decided to play Protoss and watching your stream has been part of what helped me improve my game quite a bit. Planning on watching some more after release when I have the spare time between sc2 and other stuff.

On July 26 2010 16:36 iokke wrote:
and yet you continue to call all of us flamers.. wow, its just too bad you don't hear a word we're saying, take your own advice and read. ppl tried to give you advice, you were the one whose posts resembled flaming the most, but w/e man, disappointing=/
i havent read flaming in most of the posts... gimme an example of me flaming you?

On July 26 2010 16:51 BigT wrote:
...I quote day[9] yet again, "There's no point in trying to prove your right over the internet" and he's absolutely correct. I would never do it, and I don't know why you guys do...

On July 26 2010 17:27 iokke wrote:
um. how was that flaming? I was "defending myself, because all you are trying to do is to prove that you, BigT, is right, and all of us are wrong". Sounds familiar? so you can do it but others cant... BigT, I seriously want to know what you get out of this? Does this make you feel better about yourself, constantly trying to prove that your opinion is right and that of others is wrong? Do you sleep better at night knowing you told someone your opinion was right? Like it blows my mind.... oh sry I forgot, this is Your thread... (Sorry couldnt resist the irony:D)

That post was not flaming, the only thing even close to flaming in that post is saying that you disappointed me... still hardly flaming imho

I don't get much out of it, your responses simply prompted me and other people to respond back. You never called me a flamer, you said: Hey man, dont worry I saw your post in the midst of all these flamers haha, in response to another poster, not long after my post, hence I got curious.

Btw you do the most trying as far as proving who is right. I wasn't trying to prove anything for the most part, just said that your behavior does not show you in the best light. I actually kept up with the post but abstained from posting for awhile, and only came back to say to Nasty that there's no point in continuing and to tell you "BigT, you did do good things for the community so props; try not to ruin that".

Next time shit like this comes up, do it with more class. F.e., say ty for your input, I will consider it, and avoid 3 pages of bs that were, believe it or not, fueled by you for the most part.

edit.....
BigT - "There's no point in trying to prove your right over the internet" and he's absolutely correct. I would never do it, and I don't know why you guys do..."
dude you were dying exactly this for the last 3 pages, you're just calling it defending yourself. How can you even post that lol

On July 26 2010 17:39 BigT wrote:
And to be fair, I may have added the most fuel, but I wasn't the person who started the fueling haha.

On July 26 2010 17:39 BigT wrote:

To fix this, before you actually post your next post, copy and cut the entire entry, then go make a thread of your own No reason to keep coming to my thread and saying it so I hear it. Thats what makes you the instigator and me the defender

On July 26 2010 18:00 iokke wrote:
by that definition you sir, are a flamer just as much if I fit there lol. I was not trying to start fights, look back at my posts.

A lot of them had something nice about you. "you are a good player"... or "maybe you're just having a bad day"... or "you did a lot for the community".... or something as simple as "good luck". Compare this with what you are posting

Even if you did not mean me it definitely looked that way given the order of posts and the "all those flamers haha" coming from you. But since you now directly insist that I am a flamer, lets go back to the definition you gave me: a flamer is a person who constantly starts fights on forums or message boards.
I do not constantly start fights on forums or message boards. I was not even starting the fight in this thread, you just took anything people said with way too much hostility... please consider what I posted again. Altogether I don't think that I am a flamer, and don't think you are either given your explanation of the word.... but given ur interpretation u'd fit faster than I would

see here ^ I was definitely arguing with you (aka defending myself after being called a flamer).

most of my posts were indeed opinion, coming from someone who watched and liked ur stream, but I guess that's not important to you. Mainly my opinion was that you were handling things badly....

TLDR, criticism posts was along the lines of "the way you treated that person was not cool", "that was constructive criticism", "you are not showing yourself in a good light" (which was a hint to stop!). None of my posts were ill-willed, though unfortunately the results were bad because I never foresaw you reacting that way. If i did i probably would not post anything in the first place. Here's a stinker: It was my mistake, I thought you were bigger then behaving like this and I truly never imagined that you'd take it like this.

As far as me posting about your contradictions... well that was just so blatant it was too hard to resist, and you needed to see it too tbh to stop making posts that just scream hypocrisy
(first time I used that word btw due to w/e respect i have left for you.. yes its not all lost, still think (hope) it may have been a rough day and you just took things too personally; that I can understand)

And by the way you coulda finished all of this right now and be the bigger man (hell, u'd even indirectly get back at me if that would make you feel better) by simply replying -
"Tell you what guys, thanks for your input, I will consider it, and thanks for tuning in when you did"
I put it in bold because I think you skim angrily through most of the replies, you need to read this

man now I have a wall of my own, but also let me give you a short example... There was a White-Ra series, not sure which one, maybe against the machine, where he got a lot of feedback after the game, very similar to what you get. He didn't ban anyone, or talk shit back, or say who cares. Though I can't remember the exact words, he said something along the lines of "thank you for your input, I've heard you and will consider your suggestions on how to improve, appreciate it". There was prolly noone there who could come close to beating him but at least he still showed some respect.. If you will become a "public SC2" figure, you'll have to learn to put up with bs with class, unless you are going for a raging/controversial/bm persona

p.s.

yeah, you were, see the text in bold again on how not to add fuel. If you did at least that in response to Mr.Nasty, my first post would not have been more critical than.. "I've enjoyed and learned from your stream, thanks a lot BigT". Take stuff less personally and respond calmly to even unfair criticism without trying to offend the other person

On July 26 2010 18:12 iokke wrote:

Oh I'm sorry, just saw this edit.... there is no reason to make another thread about this, enough damage was done here, and enough time was wasted. Also I have no illusions anymore of you actually hearing what people have to say if its something you do not like=/

So let me correct myself with a post that is obviously appropriate for a thread dedicated to BigT's stream, which to stupid me originally implied discussing the good and the bad, giving props and suggesting improvements. The reason for a double post is to separate this comment from all other silly things I have posted, because I did not know that the following is the type of feedback you wanted. Ok, here I go, please disregard all my previous comments


BigT, your stream is great, I think people can learn a lot from it (actually true from the times I've watched...). And that guy that suggested where you could improve, the way you ignored and dismissed him, cause noone cares what one of the people that watched your stream had to say, that was totally cool, made you look awesome.
Keep it up and don't pay attention to other posters, whether its opinion or constructive criticism. Again they're just the people that watched your stream at one time or the other, who cares what they have to say. Worst case scenario, just dismiss it as their opinion, which should never mean anything to you. Btw I do think that your personal opinion argument was great and people that didnt agree with you were just stupid (how could these idiots not get what you're saying???). You're the best, keep on gaming and I am looking forward to more content from you!

Anyway SC2 is out tomorrow and lets just be happy about that lol

On July 27 2010 00:47 BigT wrote:



See, what makes me want to further dismiss what you guys are saying is because it's like you guys aren't even reading my responses though :/ Like I'm gonna have to repeat the definition of a flamer for a third time... A person who constantly starts fights on forums or message boards... Key word there is "starts". I never started any fights, its MY thread lol. Therefore I am not a flamer (who would flame their own thread lol?)

And you may have said some nice things, but that doesn't change the fact that you were just voicing your own personal opinion. WHICH I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH. Except when your trying to argue with me, trying to say that your opinion is right and mine is wrong. I don't know what compels you or makes you feel the need to continue to go on and on and on on MY thread. If you really have such a big problem, go start a thread of your own, theres no reason to continually post on MY thread so I hear you lol.

And yes, YOU go look back at your posts, they were clearly argumentative. A post does not have to be hostile to be argumentative. And you are continuing to make jokes about me even in your last post lol. "it was my mistake for thinking your the bigger than behaving like this". "yes its not all lost....hope your just had a rough day". "I put it in bold because I think you angrily skim through my posts". Like you say those things and not expect me to get a little agitated? Do you think I'm dumb? I can read between the lines... That's another difference, you guys have constantly insulted me. Read through all my posts, I never insult you guys back. That's another difference.

That section about white-ra was actually quite constructive :O However that situation is different. I'm sure those people weren't arguing directly about something that white-ra said or tried to prove that their opinion about something was right and white-ra's was wrong. They were just merely giving feedback of the game be it positive or negative. So not exactly the same. But, I can see your point about needing to put up with bs with class as a "public sc2 figure", but before all, I am a "who I am figure". I'm going to defend my morals above anything else. And this is just one of those things that I am going to respond to.

It drives me absolutely crazy that people have such an inclination for their opinion to be heard. ABSOLUTELY CRAZY lol. Why do people feel the need to post their opinion so badly? Like if you don't have any nice or constructive to say... don't say it at all. Why do you NEED to be like, "Ok, I totally think Big T is wrong here, I'm going to post a reply telling him what I think"? If I know I'm right, that's enough for me. I don't need to go proving I'm right to anyone else, especially the one whose wrong, because thats the worst! Telling someone unrelated wouldn't be that bad... But actually making it a point to call out the person you are disagreeing with? Thats just completely immature and disrespectful and I don't understand why people have such an urge to do so... Am I the only one whose content knowing their own opinions and not needing to prove them to anyone else???

And again, you failed to read what I said... I said I AGREE WITH YOU I ADDED MOST OF THE FUEL, but I did not START the fueling.... Please just read what I say!



Yeah.... you could have avoided all the damage to MY thread if you either started a thread of your own in the first place instead of absolutely having to post it in MY thread because you absolutely needed ME to hear it or just by keeping your opinion to yourself. Which is my whole thing. I'm not going to repeat myself again but I just don't see why people have to have their opinion be known. If I know my opinion then thats enough for me, I dont feel the need to have to tell someone it.

And thanks about your modified comment. I will absolutely pay attention to what my viewers have to say however. I actually really care about what they have to say. If you watch my stream you should know this. But if they actually try to argue with whose opinion is right, then I will stop caring. Personal opinions are neither right or wrong, they are opinions, you can't argue that yours is right so just keep it to yourself! So when people act like that (such as this situation), then I will then actually stop respecting them. However, this is a very rare case, maybe only 1% of all my viewers feel so overly compelled to voice their opinion. Which again, is why I wonder what makes that 1% really feel the need to let people know their opinion is right and someone else's is wrong when 99% of people have more dignity than that. So yeah, 99% of the time there are no problems, I encourage my viewers to give me feedback and its all good. But that 1% of the time when people act in a manner I just described, I will call them out.

And I never say anyone is stupid or an idiot... in fact I'm not sure what words I would use to describe them. I guess undignified if that's a word (no red squiggly line under it so i think im good to go haha). What I mean is have enough respect for your own opinion and actually take pride in yourself! Be dignified, your opinion is important! You don't need to let the world know your opinion just for it to be valued! Be dignified!

And lastly, thanks, more awesome content will be coming out shortly!! Of course my LAN is coming up and hopefully I will be providing a lot more great episodes of Big TV and get the opportunity to host other great tournaments!

GOGO SC2!!!

On July 27 2010 01:45 Scarecrow wrote:
You're not going to get anywhere with your attitude Big T. I came here from your blog and put myself through this thread. You're arrogant and dismissive, pissing people off to the point where almost everyone is against you then you call them wrong (undignified...really?) for voicing criticism. Notice that other streams don't get this kind of flak, maybe it's your attitude that's the problem here?

"Be dignified, keep your opinion to yourself" doesn't make sense. I value my opinion and thus I think it's worth sharing so I'll keep it to myself??? You have a very strange notion of what a forum is about.

On July 27 2010 02:04 Scarecrow wrote:

I hoped that just maybe, by adding my voice to the chorus, you might start to realize that it is your attitude that is the problem here. Learn to take criticism and not respond to everything people post, that is unless you're a believer in 'any publicity is good publicity'.

You are doing the exact same thing as everyone else here, voicing your opinion. You're an ironic hypocrite posting your own negative opinion on other people's opinions. Take your own advice, keep it to yourself, and this thread wouldn't be in its current state.

On July 27 2010 02:25 Scarecrow wrote:




Looks like constructive criticism to me, on the first page too. I'm sure there's more as well.

I don't get why you discount negative opinions especially as a caster looking to interact with the community. Use your own intellect to decide what to take on board and what to discard. Just cause they're opinions doesn't make them wrong or useless. Anyway, I'm done with this, I'm sure you'll find many others to argue your morals with

On July 27 2010 02:36 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
Big T, I use this whole thread as evidence that you need to learn how to take constructive criticism better.

On July 27 2010 02:36 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
Like I said, constructive criticism does not have to be nice or sugar coated for it to be constructive criticism.

I can appreciate you wanting to save face, but I have to point out that your constant denial that anything is wrong with you, and that we are in fact just flaming you goes to show my point.

On July 27 2010 02:36 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
The response I have to that is that you are overly sensitive and were not being genuine when you said you could take constructive criticism.

You keep saying stuff like "you didn't consider my feelings" and act incredibly butthurt just because we noticed you couldn't take criticism. This is the internet. Nobody has to act like your bff just to give you a suggestion.

On July 27 2010 02:36 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
Everyone in this thread who has mentioned my post has said it was constructive. I understand you feel insulted by it.

On July 27 2010 02:36 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
I would feel weird setting up a phone date.

It's too much energy to spend on one person who thinks you're insulting them. I gave you some advice, you didn't take it. I'm OK with that. You think I was being rude and insulting you.

On July 27 2010 03:09 Cpt.Nasty wrote:
I'm not sure what to tell you BigT, you've gone from claiming that I didn't give you constructive criticism to I'm insulting you. Nothing you quoted was an insult, I'm not out to get you, and according to the claims of me and several others in this thread, you did indeed receive constructive criticism.

If all you're going to do is get defensive and claim I've been insulting you, then I'm done here. I didn't come here to get dragged down into an internet debate.

On July 27 2010 03:42 iokke wrote:
(though I honestly expected some of your fans/friends to bash me;))

On July 27 2010 06:57 BigT wrote:
Hope that answers all your concerns, let me know if you still have a problem.

On July 27 2010 07:45 iokke wrote:

As I and all the others so far realized, there's no point. gl to you

On July 27 2010 08:02 iokke wrote:
some of those answers are really bad, some are ok, I don't see a point of continuing after 5 pages here, plus the second thread
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138688&currentpage=2
After I read parts of another thread you created (didnt read the op yet, g2 get ready for work)...
notice how in every reply that mentions something from this thread (aka from people that took time to read this and not only look at your op) even there, people told you basically the same things lol. Again shows that there is no point in continuing, you wont listen anyway, and that's fine, but dragging this conversation on is a waste of everyone's time

edit - I have a better way of putting this BigT
it doesn't matter what I write anymore. I initially posted to say that your behavior/attitude show you in a bad light. It wrote for you to see it and not to prove I am right, and later most people tried to show you why you were wrong for you too correct your mistakes, not to prove themselves online. In any case, by now:
if I am right obviously you will not listen, if I am wrong obviously you will and should not listen. And its also obvious that if I am wrong, I'm not getting it. End result is the same for all, why go on...

On July 27 2010 08:17 iokke wrote:
Not at all but thanks for trying I give up knowing none of us will get anywhere with this (and you are right this is online, we dont know each other, so thats not really a big issue)

On July 27 2010 08:28 iokke wrote:
Speak for yourself. My opinions, beliefs and feelings can be changed and have changed (thank God in some cases) a lot over the course of my life

On July 27 2010 08:39 iokke wrote:
Unless brainwashing is involved:D Seriously though, of course ultimately you change them, but often based on what others have said or done

On July 28 2010 14:07 BigT wrote:
Replay pack of my games thus far!

[url blocked]

On August 07 2010 04:28 jaype wrote:
I enjoy people streaming, really i do. But the knowledge of you aint great. Just watched Dimaga Vs Strelok. And saying, speed on zerglings is not good to get first, besides some other weird statements, is not helping anyone.
Contributing is great, dont get we wrong. But try, if this is a TL supported stream, to have some knowledge of the different matchups.

On August 08 2010 12:01 dewkie wrote:
BigT, I know that there are a heap of tournaments going on right now and you are busy, and that you have show matches sometimes between diamond/plat players. But as a gold player, do you give dates in advanced where I can possibly play during one of your streams? Let me know :p

On August 09 2010 03:15 Farakes wrote:
no lags? 2k viewers + europe = ingame lag all the frikkin time

On August 09 2010 13:54 BigT wrote:
Hey thanks a lot guys... And the lag is REALLY weird, i believe it is a problem with livestream. I email them all the time and they are unwilling to help me with it, it kinda sucks :/

On August 10 2010 10:04 Farakes wrote:
ustream would be so awesome.

currently i have to f5 like a thousand times before im on a livestream.com server where i dont have lag every 2-3 seconds, ustream never lags even with 5k+ viewers.

for example i would like to view ur iem cast but its lagging like shit for me from europe (1,5k viewers) at the same time i can watch the gosugamers iem cast at ustream with 2,5k viewers without a single prob.

long story short ustream would be awesome.


edit: also the ustream quality is higher and the delay is lower, see my example screen :

On August 16 2010 11:39 ScienceRob wrote:
Regarding featuring, anyone who streams this much deserves to be featured. While I haven't seen any of BigT besides the 15 minutes I just watched he seems to be friendly, cares about his viewers and loves streaming. I would agree with promoting him stream.

On August 16 2010 13:09 xtfftc wrote:


I see no reason why TL should promote quantity over quality. Yes, quality is subjective but there is no way to make sure there ain't no bias. However, using quantity as a way to distinguish between different producers will simply lead to lowering the standards in order to get more content out.

On August 16 2010 11:53 sundae987 wrote:
Big T u need to stop your mods from disabling chat.. they are there to deal with spammer instead of removing viewers' right to chat and sit their ass back and enjoy their mod's privilege for no obligations. any viewers can disable their own chat at anytime they want if they are not there for chatting and couldnt take the trolling.

There are many like me who come to your stream for not only the game but also the entertainment to exchange thoughts in chat. so pls stop letting your mod to decide to disable chat.

Nonetheless, thankyou for your effort for streaming, its been very enjoyable.

On August 17 2010 05:27 kuhazan123 wrote:
If I follow your way of thinking, I see no reason why TL should keep a moderator like chill who is way far from quality considering his actions..."lowering the standards" ? oh dear lord... It's so sad that after such a long time, TL continue to have such moderator, that's what is gonna lead to lowering the standards....

On August 17 2010 23:18 ultilol wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


gettin owned :!

On August 18 2010 02:37 Quallen wrote:
Wow harassing someone in RL, yeah lets hear it for bullying. Anyway... keep up the good work BigT. You may not be the best caster in the world but since your a top .05% player your insight and commentary is usually solid enough for me to tune in.

Also I find Tadzio saying even a monkey could pull in 2k viewers covering the ESL, which while probably true, quite amusing given recent events. Last night it was bigT @ 3k and iccup tv #2 at 1.7k when I tuned in. BigT lost about 300 viewers while afk dealing with the crank calls but it still ended up 2.7k to 2k. All i can say to the whichever iccup caster it was being BM last night, butthurt much?

To reiterate, thanks again BigT for putting up with more bullshit than one should have to just to bring us what we love (sc2 & e-sports.)

On August 18 2010 05:13 CuttyFlam wrote:
On the other hand , i shouldnt be even be posting here, so this will be my last one in this thread.
Regards,
CF

On August 18 2010 07:10 xtfftc wrote:Middiamond means that he is not even in the top 10% atm.

On August 19 2010 06:47 BigT wrote:
Hey guys, this is turning into a "big t haters" vs "big t supporters" in here. And just like everyone says to me "just ignore the haters", I want all my supporters to do so as well. There is no point in arguing with people who choose to go out of their way to flame me. I appreciate you guys for supporting me, but I don't want to drag you guys into the middle of it. Again, just ignore them and I think it should be for the best!

Thanks to all who are supporting me, and I'm sorry for those of you who hate me so much that they just won't watch my stream but actually go through great lengths to destroy my reputation as well.

Big T

On August 19 2010 12:01 thesighter wrote:


Can't destroy something that doesn't exist

On August 19 2010 14:27 BigT wrote:


Everyone has a reputation. Some larger than others.

On August 19 2010 14:47 CuttyFlam wrote:


Finally , you start to understand certain things..

On August 19 2010 14:57 BigT wrote:


What are with all these one liners? I have no idea what any of them mean haha.

On August 19 2010 15:36 SlapMySalami wrote:
bigp i wish you would personally tutor me 24/7 but do it for free or maybe actually pay me =D what do you think maybe we can work something out?

On August 18 2010 09:17 Quallen wrote:


Whoops guess my approximation was a little off, but #619 global ranking out of 709,619 is actually the top .08%. Sorry haters, my bad.

For a little perspective CuttyFlam, you're global rank is currently #25,167... just sayin

On August 21 2010 07:17 DiamondTear wrote:
BigT's sponsor link redirects you twice to a malware site. Should I start being careful when clicking stuff on TL?

On August 21 2010 12:54 CuttyFlam wrote:
Just visited your sponsor bigT, and i must say it has to be the worst piece of shit scsite i have ever seen.

Some random crap posted around about ppl losing to cheese flanked by fitness gear charlatan adds?! T T

On August 22 2010 14:37 Karliath wrote:
BigT, how much are you expecting from the sponsors for your tournament?

On August 24 2010 02:54 BigT wrote:


Any amount would be awesome. Are you interested? :O

On August 24 2010 06:23 Karliath wrote:


I guess so? I only have like...$100 though. Definitely need to know more about the tournament.

No offense of course, but it kind of feels like throwing away money right now. ><

On August 25 2010 05:05 LoveSponge wrote:
I see a lot of unwarranted hate in this thread. I will admit that BigT does say a few silly things sometimes and watching him play isn't the best but his casting is entertaining. I spend a lot of time watching streams on this site and this one is clearly one of the best to watch for pure entertainment/casting of tourneys.

Other than that the only problem is that lag when it's +1000 viewers, however i find if i refresh enough times it runs smoothly.

On August 27 2010 10:52 SlapMySalami wrote:
BIGP why do people make accounts just to troll you

On August 31 2010 01:20 DennyR wrote:
Hey there, could you please explain the technique you use to get 3probes in gas while transfering them?
Iam watching your game right now and it looked pretty unusual

On September 01 2010 01:46 LolnoobInsanity wrote:
Hey BigT, how good at this game do you actually think you are?
I was just wondering because you keep mentioning that TL refuses to feature your stream, and I wonder that maybe you have an inflated opinion on your own abilities.

If TL features a stream, that means that person now represents TL. If I went to a featured stream and learned the wrong information, that makes TL look bad. It means that the TL administrators allowed me, a TL user, to think that you know what you're doing and gave you credibility that you didn't deserve.

It's fine to have a stream where people watch you play and can see how you do so, but having a featured stream means that TL said "Hey, this person is worth watching if you want to learn something or gain something that you can't from the average streamer."

Until you have that, you have no right to complain that you're not featured. Though I have watched your stream a lot, and did enjoy it back in the beta when i was completely oblivious as to what was good play and what was bad, I don't think you're good enough to be an instructive player to watch.

I was just wondering if you think you're good enough to be featured. (aside from viewer count, stream quality, or sponsorships/advertisements)

On September 02 2010 05:56 valaki wrote:
You are awesome BigT. No matter what anyone says, you provide constant high level tournament casting, brining the best possible matches in every tournament with decent commentary. You are maybe not the best player, but you're a solid diamond (rofl you might say, but actually only 4% of the players are in diamond) with decent game analysis, and frequent replay reviews. You are not Day9, nor CellaWerra or Sen but what you do for the community is more than enough. You are always humble and never rage or trashtalk to other people. Again, thanks for your stream, and keep up the good work.

On September 03 2010 01:26 Renseru wrote:
BigT, I like you but plz stop 1basing so hard!!!!! Much love btw.

On September 05 2010 09:04 CuttyFlam wrote:
Big T , when are you going to stop the ignorance? ffs dude...

First of all "being good" however subjective that may be, in fact IS a requirement to be featured here on TL

And secondly, how in god's name do you dare to claim your knowledge is "very good"? Ur knowledge of the game is terribad at worst and basic at best... i could sum up dozens of examples here but let me give one " why didnt the terran lift his planetary fortress omg!"

Dude , who the hell are u trying to fool?

On August 18 2010 05:13 CuttyFlam wrote:
And plz stop the "knight for my king" behaviour , im getting so sick of it.

On September 08 2010 01:51 Quallen wrote:
BigT is the John Madden of SC2 casters and people just can't get enough.

Check out this heart felt testimonial: CuttyFlame- “I love BigT so much because he simplifies things so even I can understand them. Thanks BigT!!!”



Glad to know I'm under your skin. Maybe if you just keep posting the next time will finally be the time you don't self-own yourself?

On September 05 2010 09:04 CuttyFlam wrote:
First of all "being good" however subjective that may be, in fact IS a requirement to be featured here on TL

On September 08 2010 08:28 Corrupted wrote:


Strange...the guy over at glhf.tv is probably one of the worst players streaming on this site...yet he's featured. Pretty sure Raelcun isn't much better...and he's featured. BigT is light years better than them so he should be a shoe-in, right?

On September 08 2010 09:41 Nyawa wrote:
Love your streams BigT keep up the good job!!

On September 09 2010 23:33 Yurie wrote:
Ah, so you are switching to own3d, was going to post and ask if you had seen the ustream tutorial thread on TL since you asked for help with ustream a while ago. Guess you spotted it earlier though and it wasn't helpful. ^^

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124256

On September 10 2010 03:31 valdor4 wrote:
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/76581-1v1-protoss-kulas-ravine

can you please watch and give pointers

On September 10 2010 07:22 sheptacular wrote:
Netherlands IEM coverage was great... thanks for casting!

On September 08 2010 10:40 BigT wrote:
And i know your proving a point to smash that guy, but iccup.tv. and glhf.tv both rightfully deserve their stars for the content they provide. I just feel like i bring the same level of content and deserve a spot as well :D