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Spiders
Profile Joined February 2011
United States86 Posts
July 16 2011 06:28 GMT
#1381
Top hats are OP
ElementalKnight
Profile Joined January 2011
57 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 00:18:15
July 16 2011 08:15 GMT
#1382
BellaZio
Profile Joined July 2011
Italy2 Posts
July 16 2011 08:32 GMT
#1383
GET IT !! ))
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Terran gold , ladder to master have nice with music and webcam
ggahSoO
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States191 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 09:39:34
July 16 2011 09:39 GMT
#1384
Ducktales moon theme - enough said
firebathero x bisu
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
July 16 2011 09:42 GMT
#1385
Wow HuK has webcam and mic now. Just wish he would talk like he used to!
sc2pal
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland624 Posts
July 16 2011 10:29 GMT
#1386
huk > mvp lol go huk win gsl <3
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
July 16 2011 11:17 GMT
#1387
ex BW pros will make Sc2 just more amazing. They are just sooo good. And they have the experience to push the Sc2 skill.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
July 17 2011 08:48 GMT
#1388
Is that a coincidence that always when i watch his stream he loses literally every game?
LittleAtari
Profile Joined August 2010
Jordan1090 Posts
July 17 2011 08:52 GMT
#1389
On July 17 2011 17:48 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
Is that a coincidence that always when i watch his stream he loses literally every game?

:< stop watching his stream, you're making him lose D=
spacenegroes
Profile Joined December 2010
United States80 Posts
July 17 2011 09:38 GMT
#1390
huk keeps trying this stargate-into-templar PvZ, except it just seems way more work than its worth. i honestly dont know why he avoids colossus, it seems like hes trying to proving a point.

he gets these phoenixes, forces a bunch of hydras, then stops producing out of his stargate and goes templar while trying to grab a third; meanwhile the zerg just masses the shit out of roaches since he stopped stargate production. so huk has chargelots and a couple of storms against a fuckton of roaches and it just seems terrible. especially since 1) he has to get a robo for burrowed roaches anyway, and 2) he never got that nice fat sentry count because all his gas went to phoenixes and then to templar.

the timing for colossus is just ten times easier, and he can transition into that ideal templar/immortal lategame army after staying alive first.
Hashmeister
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany238 Posts
July 17 2011 11:19 GMT
#1391
On July 17 2011 18:38 spacenegroes wrote:
huk keeps trying this stargate-into-templar PvZ, except it just seems way more work than its worth. i honestly dont know why he avoids colossus, it seems like hes trying to proving a point.

he gets these phoenixes, forces a bunch of hydras, then stops producing out of his stargate and goes templar while trying to grab a third; meanwhile the zerg just masses the shit out of roaches since he stopped stargate production. so huk has chargelots and a couple of storms against a fuckton of roaches and it just seems terrible. especially since 1) he has to get a robo for burrowed roaches anyway, and 2) he never got that nice fat sentry count because all his gas went to phoenixes and then to templar.

the timing for colossus is just ten times easier, and he can transition into that ideal templar/immortal lategame army after staying alive first.


Yeah but improvising or trying new strategies is always good. If you lose a couple of games - so what?? You tried out new stuff and try to polish them and maybe you'll end up with something good! Also, the "usual" strategies are well read by Z opponents, they know how to respond well to them. Sometimes these new strats catch them offguard or totally disrupts their normal ZvP gameplan. Greetings!
bit.ly/hashmeister
HuK
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1591 Posts
July 17 2011 16:54 GMT
#1392
On July 17 2011 20:19 Hashmeister wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 18:38 spacenegroes wrote:
huk keeps trying this stargate-into-templar PvZ, except it just seems way more work than its worth. i honestly dont know why he avoids colossus, it seems like hes trying to proving a point.

he gets these phoenixes, forces a bunch of hydras, then stops producing out of his stargate and goes templar while trying to grab a third; meanwhile the zerg just masses the shit out of roaches since he stopped stargate production. so huk has chargelots and a couple of storms against a fuckton of roaches and it just seems terrible. especially since 1) he has to get a robo for burrowed roaches anyway, and 2) he never got that nice fat sentry count because all his gas went to phoenixes and then to templar.

the timing for colossus is just ten times easier, and he can transition into that ideal templar/immortal lategame army after staying alive first.


Yeah but improvising or trying new strategies is always good. If you lose a couple of games - so what?? You tried out new stuff and try to polish them and maybe you'll end up with something good! Also, the "usual" strategies are well read by Z opponents, they know how to respond well to them. Sometimes these new strats catch them offguard or totally disrupts their normal ZvP gameplan. Greetings!


this/tehses are decent posts. im just trying ot make it viable becuz i really want to. collosus are so boring and i feel like vs good zerg players who have very high microable units they can outplay me easily with such inflexible collosus builds. believe me its even more frustrating for me to lose games when i can play another way to win games, but its necessary to xplore these routes in depth and try to learn as much as possible even if the end i find it to be conclusive that they are not viable.
ProgamerLive like a God or die like a Slave 11:11
FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
July 17 2011 23:42 GMT
#1393
On July 18 2011 01:54 Liquid`HuK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 20:19 Hashmeister wrote:
On July 17 2011 18:38 spacenegroes wrote:
huk keeps trying this stargate-into-templar PvZ, except it just seems way more work than its worth. i honestly dont know why he avoids colossus, it seems like hes trying to proving a point.

he gets these phoenixes, forces a bunch of hydras, then stops producing out of his stargate and goes templar while trying to grab a third; meanwhile the zerg just masses the shit out of roaches since he stopped stargate production. so huk has chargelots and a couple of storms against a fuckton of roaches and it just seems terrible. especially since 1) he has to get a robo for burrowed roaches anyway, and 2) he never got that nice fat sentry count because all his gas went to phoenixes and then to templar.

the timing for colossus is just ten times easier, and he can transition into that ideal templar/immortal lategame army after staying alive first.


Yeah but improvising or trying new strategies is always good. If you lose a couple of games - so what?? You tried out new stuff and try to polish them and maybe you'll end up with something good! Also, the "usual" strategies are well read by Z opponents, they know how to respond well to them. Sometimes these new strats catch them offguard or totally disrupts their normal ZvP gameplan. Greetings!


this/tehses are decent posts. im just trying ot make it viable becuz i really want to. collosus are so boring and i feel like vs good zerg players who have very high microable units they can outplay me easily with such inflexible collosus builds. believe me its even more frustrating for me to lose games when i can play another way to win games, but its necessary to xplore these routes in depth and try to learn as much as possible even if the end i find it to be conclusive that they are not viable.


Would it be better to go Stargate - into blink instead of charge - 3rd base - templar?

Snitches get stiches
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 18 2011 03:39 GMT
#1394
i have been studying the early stargate PvZ build since beta... have you consider the phoenix expand into prism with senties blocking ramp on 2 bases?

with the phoenix deny map control/scouting and the early 4 sentries, you can get a robo-> prism relatively fast while getting tons of gates and +1 on 2 gases. use the phoenix to deny map control while elevator the small army up to Z main and abuse FF. On maps such as metal/shatter this is really strong and only get countered by roach burrow move without speed. you gona get an obs anyway so that is not a true counter.

let me know if you ever (consider to)try it and the result
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Synystyr
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1446 Posts
July 18 2011 04:01 GMT
#1395
That was actually a really, really sick PvP....WP Huk!
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Grampz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2147 Posts
July 18 2011 04:09 GMT
#1396
huge huk fan here, i got banned forever ago for i dont even know what reason, would never disrespect huk or his play have been following him throughout all of sc2. all i wish is to be banned from his chat. jtv name = grammpzzz. please! ty =[
HinagikUx
Profile Joined January 2011
United States178 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 06:17:18
July 18 2011 06:14 GMT
#1397
On July 18 2011 01:54 Liquid`HuK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 20:19 Hashmeister wrote:
On July 17 2011 18:38 spacenegroes wrote:
huk keeps trying this stargate-into-templar PvZ, except it just seems way more work than its worth. i honestly dont know why he avoids colossus, it seems like hes trying to proving a point.

he gets these phoenixes, forces a bunch of hydras, then stops producing out of his stargate and goes templar while trying to grab a third; meanwhile the zerg just masses the shit out of roaches since he stopped stargate production. so huk has chargelots and a couple of storms against a fuckton of roaches and it just seems terrible. especially since 1) he has to get a robo for burrowed roaches anyway, and 2) he never got that nice fat sentry count because all his gas went to phoenixes and then to templar.

the timing for colossus is just ten times easier, and he can transition into that ideal templar/immortal lategame army after staying alive first.


Yeah but improvising or trying new strategies is always good. If you lose a couple of games - so what?? You tried out new stuff and try to polish them and maybe you'll end up with something good! Also, the "usual" strategies are well read by Z opponents, they know how to respond well to them. Sometimes these new strats catch them offguard or totally disrupts their normal ZvP gameplan. Greetings!


this/tehses are decent posts. im just trying ot make it viable becuz i really want to. collosus are so boring and i feel like vs good zerg players who have very high microable units they can outplay me easily with such inflexible collosus builds. believe me its even more frustrating for me to lose games when i can play another way to win games, but its necessary to xplore these routes in depth and try to learn as much as possible even if the end i find it to be conclusive that they are not viable.


<3 HuK . I agree with huk alot, ive been winning like 30% of my PvZ going standard stalker collosus these days, it just feels so weak >_<. Lately ive been doing more stargate play instead. Been having some success with throwing up a 2nd stargate when i see hydras after my initial stargate harass. Keeping around 10-15 phoenix deals really well with hydra (as long as you save up alot of energy for graviton on some phoenix, and only harassing with 5-6), it seems like hydra a-move doesnt prioritize phoenix so its easy to lift and kill all of them really fast. voids/sentry/stalker/chargelot cleans roach hydra mix rly well. Only tried a couple games with it, seems like the counter is fast muta/corruptor tho :x. Havent rly worked out the kinks too much, but experimenting with more stargate builds has gotten me much more success lately on 1800ish masters ladder. ( inspired by MC's "phoenix imba" xD)

Maybe u can try double stargate phoenix play and make it work huk xD would love to see it as another midgame option for pvz! which is suchh a difficult MU for so many toss atm
uGpTaiga/HinagikUx NA Server
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
July 18 2011 06:47 GMT
#1398
I just witnessed my favorite huk chat ban of all time.
Someone said "get a haircut" and got banned.
A ban of epic proportions.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
secksybeast
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada3 Posts
July 18 2011 07:09 GMT
#1399
Hi can you please unban me from chat?
Chat name: Heartdizeaze
it was a mod that banned me =S
you told him to watch what he said or else you'll remove his mod and i said i was disappointed and he banned me tsktsk
spacenegroes
Profile Joined December 2010
United States80 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-18 08:17:14
July 18 2011 07:41 GMT
#1400
On July 18 2011 01:54 Liquid`HuK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 20:19 Hashmeister wrote:
On July 17 2011 18:38 spacenegroes wrote:
huk keeps trying this stargate-into-templar PvZ, except it just seems way more work than its worth. i honestly dont know why he avoids colossus, it seems like hes trying to proving a point.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1392&topic_id=125729
he gets these phoenixes, forces a bunch of hydras, then stops producing out of his stargate and goes templar while trying to grab a third; meanwhile the zerg just masses the shit out of roaches since he stopped stargate production. so huk has chargelots and a couple of storms against a fuckton of roaches and it just seems terrible. especially since 1) he has to get a robo for burrowed roaches anyway, and 2) he never got that nice fat sentry count because all his gas went to phoenixes and then to templar.

the timing for colossus is just ten times easier, and he can transition into that ideal templar/immortal lategame army after staying alive first.


Yeah but improvising or trying new strategies is always good. If you lose a couple of games - so what?? You tried out new stuff and try to polish them and maybe you'll end up with something good! Also, the "usual" strategies are well read by Z opponents, they know how to respond well to them. Sometimes these new strats catch them offguard or totally disrupts their normal ZvP gameplan. Greetings!


this/tehses are decent posts. im just trying ot make it viable becuz i really want to. collosus are so boring and i feel like vs good zerg players who have very high microable units they can outplay me easily with such inflexible collosus builds. believe me its even more frustrating for me to lose games when i can play another way to win games, but its necessary to xplore these routes in depth and try to learn as much as possible even if the end i find it to be conclusive that they are not viable.


i watch your stream a lot, as its by far the best toss stream around, so i feel like ive been following your playstyle since your hyperaggressive little sentry zealot pokes off 3gate expand.

i think honestly the issue with this build may be that the phoenix harass fades away and you have no aggression to replace it with. the phoenix stuff almost always pays off, but once zerg stabilizes with hydra roach, when they hit their timing window, you're busy teching to temps and expanding at the same time, and you simply can't defend all three bases. it doesnt help that it usually takes more than two storms to kill a handful of roaches, and that's just not cost effective. i think if you transitioned into a different type of aggression, you could expand. i vote for colossus once you see hydra den. they can't micro with hydras against colossus, so i dont know what youre afraid of. if you see a spire, then by all means head for storm.

whatever it is, i think there's that crucial timing window in which youre waiting for the first round of temps to get energy, and the third hasn't paid off yet, and the zerg has 3 base hydra roach. the band-aid cannons aren't enough; you've just invested too much too fast into both tech and expand, and none of it has paid off. you micro your ass off, but all they have to do is split their army and hit both your nat and third. whenever control group 1 (zealot sentry archon) is out of position, stalkers and probes die.

tldr: in my opinion, for this to work, you may need to either 1) cover that timing window with more units and less tech or 2) have followup pressure ready to take over for the phoenixes (too bad spores make dts nonviable).

edit: thinking about this more, i just dont think templar are good if they go hydra roach. temps are good against any lategame army because food counts are high and you can't dodge the storms, you have enough energy to carpet bomb any army, and because hydra roach sucks against the rest of your army. but during that roach hydra timing window, when you dont have a backbone for your temps, i dont think its worth rushing for.

if you remember one of the first code A games you played against some TSL zerg on shakuras, you had basically lost that game because you skipped colo and he got mass roach; only by FAR outplaying him did you get your third up complete your blink/templar/immo army, max out and win.
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