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tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
March 30 2012 02:00 GMT
#1281
I really hated that TvP where you move commanded your whole army into his, because I thought the build you did was really interesting and I wanted to see how that game would turn out.

Also fascinated with how you dislike FFE in PvZ so much, I think opening 1 base is still very interesting against the current 20-supply third metagame.

Anyway, hope you stream more tomorrow!
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
March 30 2012 02:19 GMT
#1282
On March 30 2012 10:09 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 03:35 NexaS wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:32 Louuster wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:30 NexaS wrote:
Tyler, why do you keep going gateway openings vs Zerg? It is painful to watch you lose vsZ over and over because you're still playing like it's 2010.


He said many times he doesnt like FFE vs zerg because of the passivity of the build. Nothing new here, NonY was known in BW for the exact same thing.

I don't understand that at all. He still plays passive with mass sentries, he just gets his natural up way later. Even when he does try to pressure with zealot/sentry, he ends up losing all of the sentries, which puts him even further behind.

in the games i stream im experimenting a lot with tweaks here and there. and im playing vs ladder players that do weird things that pros dont do so i havent given them much attention. i have already figured out a variety of nice timings that work really well that im not doing on stream. typically an earlier timing (leaves at 6-8mins) and a later timing (leaves at 11-12mins) that transitions into late game if necessary or all-in if necessary. but doing something "simple" like 2gate expand into 3gate and forge then attack at 7:30 can easily have a dozen variations, and when interacting with different maps and positions and zerg builds, even more variations. and when you add in the different tech and probe counts and upgrade combos and gateway counts and 3rd base timings etc that you transition into, the possibilities are plentiful! hopefully i can perform the good builds well in a tournament soon and i will continue to refine them and figure out other working variations in practice.

there are very few builds in sc2 that fit my style. the builds i like are probably the hardest to figure out. i was good at bw because i got to copy off the work of pros who had been developing builds for 8 years as a starting point and then make the tweaks that i saw fitting. these are builds that literally hinged on how you spent 200 minerals at a certain time or whether or not you could hit a 5 second timing window, etc. in order for things to matter so precisely, a million tweaks need to be made. and that takes a lot of experimentation

once i get my mechanics up to a world class level, i'll be able to figure things out much much faster. i waste too many lost games on poor micro or macro without really learning anything.

it's posts like these that remind me why i'm a fan well said nony, well said
also honestly i deal with the same problem of there are so few pros who play styles that i like so i don't really have a starting point to build off of :/
especially PvP can't make heads or tails of that mu 30% winrate ftl :'(
rrwrwx
Profile Joined March 2011
United States247 Posts
March 30 2012 02:33 GMT
#1283
On March 30 2012 10:09 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 03:35 NexaS wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:32 Louuster wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:30 NexaS wrote:
Tyler, why do you keep going gateway openings vs Zerg? It is painful to watch you lose vsZ over and over because you're still playing like it's 2010.


He said many times he doesnt like FFE vs zerg because of the passivity of the build. Nothing new here, NonY was known in BW for the exact same thing.

I don't understand that at all. He still plays passive with mass sentries, he just gets his natural up way later. Even when he does try to pressure with zealot/sentry, he ends up losing all of the sentries, which puts him even further behind.

in the games i stream im experimenting a lot with tweaks here and there. and im playing vs ladder players that do weird things that pros dont do so i havent given them much attention. i have already figured out a variety of nice timings that work really well that im not doing on stream. typically an earlier timing (leaves at 6-8mins) and a later timing (leaves at 11-12mins) that transitions into late game if necessary or all-in if necessary. but doing something "simple" like 2gate expand into 3gate and forge then attack at 7:30 can easily have a dozen variations, and when interacting with different maps and positions and zerg builds, even more variations. and when you add in the different tech and probe counts and upgrade combos and gateway counts and 3rd base timings etc that you transition into, the possibilities are plentiful! hopefully i can perform the good builds well in a tournament soon and i will continue to refine them and figure out other working variations in practice.

there are very few builds in sc2 that fit my style. the builds i like are probably the hardest to figure out. i was good at bw because i got to copy off the work of pros who had been developing builds for 8 years as a starting point and then make the tweaks that i saw fitting. these are builds that literally hinged on how you spent 200 minerals at a certain time or whether or not you could hit a 5 second timing window, etc. in order for things to matter so precisely, a million tweaks need to be made. and that takes a lot of experimentation

once i get my mechanics up to a world class level, i'll be able to figure things out much much faster. i waste too many lost games on poor micro or macro without really learning anything.

That is genuinely the most inspiring thing I've read on Team Liquid.
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa969 Posts
March 30 2012 06:50 GMT
#1284
Thanks NonY for that last imput! I find it really interesting to see how you approach the game! Pls stream a lot and commentate a lot! :-D
The only known Reverend on TL playing SC2 and BW (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409226)
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 30 2012 16:48 GMT
#1285
On March 30 2012 10:09 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 03:35 NexaS wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:32 Louuster wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:30 NexaS wrote:
Tyler, why do you keep going gateway openings vs Zerg? It is painful to watch you lose vsZ over and over because you're still playing like it's 2010.


He said many times he doesnt like FFE vs zerg because of the passivity of the build. Nothing new here, NonY was known in BW for the exact same thing.

I don't understand that at all. He still plays passive with mass sentries, he just gets his natural up way later. Even when he does try to pressure with zealot/sentry, he ends up losing all of the sentries, which puts him even further behind.

in the games i stream im experimenting a lot with tweaks here and there. and im playing vs ladder players that do weird things that pros dont do so i havent given them much attention. i have already figured out a variety of nice timings that work really well that im not doing on stream. typically an earlier timing (leaves at 6-8mins) and a later timing (leaves at 11-12mins) that transitions into late game if necessary or all-in if necessary. but doing something "simple" like 2gate expand into 3gate and forge then attack at 7:30 can easily have a dozen variations, and when interacting with different maps and positions and zerg builds, even more variations. and when you add in the different tech and probe counts and upgrade combos and gateway counts and 3rd base timings etc that you transition into, the possibilities are plentiful! hopefully i can perform the good builds well in a tournament soon and i will continue to refine them and figure out other working variations in practice.

there are very few builds in sc2 that fit my style. the builds i like are probably the hardest to figure out. i was good at bw because i got to copy off the work of pros who had been developing builds for 8 years as a starting point and then make the tweaks that i saw fitting. these are builds that literally hinged on how you spent 200 minerals at a certain time or whether or not you could hit a 5 second timing window, etc. in order for things to matter so precisely, a million tweaks need to be made. and that takes a lot of experimentation

once i get my mechanics up to a world class level, i'll be able to figure things out much much faster. i waste too many lost games on poor micro or macro without really learning anything.


Nony, I am still convinced you are playing FFE on a smurf account we do not know about and you are just waiting to drop it in the semi finals of IPL to blow everyones mind. Just putting it out there so when it happens, I can say I saw it comming.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Match
Profile Joined January 2011
215 Posts
March 30 2012 17:09 GMT
#1286
♥
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
March 30 2012 17:51 GMT
#1287
On March 31 2012 01:48 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2012 10:09 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:35 NexaS wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:32 Louuster wrote:
On March 30 2012 03:30 NexaS wrote:
Tyler, why do you keep going gateway openings vs Zerg? It is painful to watch you lose vsZ over and over because you're still playing like it's 2010.


He said many times he doesnt like FFE vs zerg because of the passivity of the build. Nothing new here, NonY was known in BW for the exact same thing.

I don't understand that at all. He still plays passive with mass sentries, he just gets his natural up way later. Even when he does try to pressure with zealot/sentry, he ends up losing all of the sentries, which puts him even further behind.

in the games i stream im experimenting a lot with tweaks here and there. and im playing vs ladder players that do weird things that pros dont do so i havent given them much attention. i have already figured out a variety of nice timings that work really well that im not doing on stream. typically an earlier timing (leaves at 6-8mins) and a later timing (leaves at 11-12mins) that transitions into late game if necessary or all-in if necessary. but doing something "simple" like 2gate expand into 3gate and forge then attack at 7:30 can easily have a dozen variations, and when interacting with different maps and positions and zerg builds, even more variations. and when you add in the different tech and probe counts and upgrade combos and gateway counts and 3rd base timings etc that you transition into, the possibilities are plentiful! hopefully i can perform the good builds well in a tournament soon and i will continue to refine them and figure out other working variations in practice.

there are very few builds in sc2 that fit my style. the builds i like are probably the hardest to figure out. i was good at bw because i got to copy off the work of pros who had been developing builds for 8 years as a starting point and then make the tweaks that i saw fitting. these are builds that literally hinged on how you spent 200 minerals at a certain time or whether or not you could hit a 5 second timing window, etc. in order for things to matter so precisely, a million tweaks need to be made. and that takes a lot of experimentation

once i get my mechanics up to a world class level, i'll be able to figure things out much much faster. i waste too many lost games on poor micro or macro without really learning anything.


Nony, I am still convinced you are playing FFE on a smurf account we do not know about and you are just waiting to drop it in the semi finals of IPL to blow everyones mind. Just putting it out there so when it happens, I can say I saw it comming.

so kinda like naniwa's attempt to 1gate fe drg? except way better?
oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
March 30 2012 18:02 GMT
#1288
hope you get reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally good tyler! will be rooting 4 u!
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
March 30 2012 19:35 GMT
#1289
Hi Nony, any chance we will see replay pack of your streamed games anytime soon ? You are probably my favorite toss to learn from when it comes to timings and mechanics
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
March 30 2012 19:37 GMT
#1290
nony why do you target infestors rather than brood lords?
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
April 03 2012 23:39 GMT
#1291
Man you are experimenting with getting some quick quick quick colossus. I hope it's working out okay for you <3 Keep up the practice, love to watch.
I'm a writer for TeamLiquid, you've probably heard of me
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 10 2012 20:42 GMT
#1292
Carrier mothership is a great way to kill infestor/broodlord/spine haha!
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
-Zao-
Profile Joined November 2010
United States42 Posts
April 11 2012 19:05 GMT
#1293
Woot, he's streaming again!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
NET
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States703 Posts
April 11 2012 19:54 GMT
#1294
Cleaning up after the bm zerg left. Nice. haha
"Dark Templar are the saviors of the Protoss Race." -Artosis
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
April 11 2012 20:34 GMT
#1295
Damn stopped streaming already?
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 11 2012 20:36 GMT
#1296
On April 12 2012 05:34 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Damn stopped streaming already?


looks like xsplit or twitch problems
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
April 11 2012 20:38 GMT
#1297
On April 12 2012 05:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 05:34 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Damn stopped streaming already?


looks like xsplit or twitch problems


Ah fair enough.. seemed a bit sudden. It had been turning off/on a few times previously as well.
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
FlyingToilet
Profile Joined August 2011
United States840 Posts
April 11 2012 20:43 GMT
#1298
On April 12 2012 05:38 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2012 05:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 12 2012 05:34 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
Damn stopped streaming already?


looks like xsplit or twitch problems


Ah fair enough.. seemed a bit sudden. It had been turning off/on a few times previously as well.

And it always seems to be when i 1st get up and start to watch his match he just shuts down abruptly, and i was having fun analyzing his play ;_;
http://justin.tv/flyingtoilet
Mzimzim
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
April 12 2012 22:47 GMT
#1299
2 gate PvZ. It's the future.
Daudr
Profile Joined November 2009
Sweden275 Posts
April 13 2012 19:21 GMT
#1300
Stream is awesome now, but could you perhaps lower game sound/music volume a tad? It's sometimes hard to hear what you're saying.

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