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 Your PvT you just played on metalopolis was sooo strong Spotting drops left and right. Feedbacks, storms just being spot on - your upgrades never without chronoboosts and your production was off the charts :D Sooo well played Only thing bad in the entire game was 1 engagement... But your eco, upgrades, tech and production could easilly handle it wpwp :D I hope to see you in upcoming major tournaments | ||
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This means he has been playing a lot. This gives me nerd chills. | ||
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On March 30 2012 03:30 NexaS wrote: Tyler, why do you keep going gateway openings vs Zerg? It is painful to watch you lose vsZ over and over because you're still playing like it's 2010. He said many times he doesnt like FFE vs zerg because of the passivity of the build. Nothing new here, NonY was known in BW for the exact same thing. | ||
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NexaS
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On March 30 2012 03:32 Louuster wrote: He said many times he doesnt like FFE vs zerg because of the passivity of the build. Nothing new here, NonY was known in BW for the exact same thing. I don't understand that at all. He still plays passive with mass sentries, he just gets his natural up way later. Even when he does try to pressure with zealot/sentry, he ends up losing all of the sentries, which puts him even further behind. | ||
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Myrkul
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On March 30 2012 03:35 NexaS wrote: I don't understand that at all. He still plays passive with mass sentries, he just gets his natural up way later. Even when he does try to pressure with zealot/sentry, he ends up losing all of the sentries, which puts him even further behind. The viewpoint is, that going FE you give yourself an economic boost, but you give an even bigger economic boost to zerg, since he can just drone up uncontested and unmolested for a time since he absolutely knows you cant do anything about it. Expert zergs (ret) even dont stop droning when you go voidray-phoenix harass, this is why protoss wins of a FE nowadays mostly just come from 2 base allin. Alternatively, if you go gate expand, even if it is a sligthly less economical build, the economic price is worth it since you are able to limit and control zerg droning from the very start. While mistakes can happen (losing sentrys etc) in games, it does not mean that the overall approach is bad, in fact it seems to me that Nony is correct in his approach, and that FE against top zergs in the future will be practically limited to 2base allin, since when you FE the zerg gets so droned up that the only other option is that you do a lot of damage with some sort of harrass(stargate or warpgate), things which zergs are getting better and better at defending. | ||
NonY
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On March 30 2012 03:35 NexaS wrote: I don't understand that at all. He still plays passive with mass sentries, he just gets his natural up way later. Even when he does try to pressure with zealot/sentry, he ends up losing all of the sentries, which puts him even further behind. in the games i stream im experimenting a lot with tweaks here and there. and im playing vs ladder players that do weird things that pros dont do so i havent given them much attention. i have already figured out a variety of nice timings that work really well that im not doing on stream. typically an earlier timing (leaves at 6-8mins) and a later timing (leaves at 11-12mins) that transitions into late game if necessary or all-in if necessary. but doing something "simple" like 2gate expand into 3gate and forge then attack at 7:30 can easily have a dozen variations, and when interacting with different maps and positions and zerg builds, even more variations. and when you add in the different tech and probe counts and upgrade combos and gateway counts and 3rd base timings etc that you transition into, the possibilities are plentiful! hopefully i can perform the good builds well in a tournament soon and i will continue to refine them and figure out other working variations in practice. there are very few builds in sc2 that fit my style. the builds i like are probably the hardest to figure out. i was good at bw because i got to copy off the work of pros who had been developing builds for 8 years as a starting point and then make the tweaks that i saw fitting. these are builds that literally hinged on how you spent 200 minerals at a certain time or whether or not you could hit a 5 second timing window, etc. in order for things to matter so precisely, a million tweaks need to be made. and that takes a lot of experimentation once i get my mechanics up to a world class level, i'll be able to figure things out much much faster. i waste too many lost games on poor micro or macro without really learning anything. | ||
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KING CHARLIE :D
United States447 Posts
On March 30 2012 10:09 Liquid`NonY wrote: in the games i stream im experimenting a lot with tweaks here and there. and im playing vs ladder players that do weird things that pros dont do so i havent given them much attention. i have already figured out a variety of nice timings that work really well that im not doing on stream. typically an earlier timing (leaves at 6-8mins) and a later timing (leaves at 11-12mins) that transitions into late game if necessary or all-in if necessary. but doing something "simple" like 2gate expand into 3gate and forge then attack at 7:30 can easily have a dozen variations, and when interacting with different maps and positions and zerg builds, even more variations. and when you add in the different tech and probe counts and upgrade combos and gateway counts and 3rd base timings etc that you transition into, the possibilities are plentiful! hopefully i can perform the good builds well in a tournament soon and i will continue to refine them and figure out other working variations in practice. there are very few builds in sc2 that fit my style. the builds i like are probably the hardest to figure out. i was good at bw because i got to copy off the work of pros who had been developing builds for 8 years as a starting point and then make the tweaks that i saw fitting. these are builds that literally hinged on how you spent 200 minerals at a certain time or whether or not you could hit a 5 second timing window, etc. in order for things to matter so precisely, a million tweaks need to be made. and that takes a lot of experimentation once i get my mechanics up to a world class level, i'll be able to figure things out much much faster. i waste too many lost games on poor micro or macro without really learning anything. Well said brother, You are an amazing player and we will always be here with you for every step of your journey! WE LOVE WATCHING YOU PLAY. The more you play, the more i feel like a complete human being. You wear the Liquid Tag well! | ||
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