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On June 19 2012 11:09 alderamin wrote:
You are exactly right. But because they played that way at the WC as well, 6-0-4 (they in fact did and it didn't look pretty), they stuck to that system.
The system you propose is what most people in the Netherlands wanted and that's why the pressure on the team was so big. But apparently players didn't want to play that way. VPersie and Sneijder both want the free role. And apparently the same with Robben.
Sneijder as a deep midfielder would have to do a lot of defending. He just doesn't want to do that. And VPersie would have to have to defend the controlling midfielder of the opposing team and he is used to being a striker.
I would support such a system. But it was never practiced and key players opposed it.
Many key players also don't like Huntelaar. He has a different personality than most football stars and he isn't a complete player and he lacks skill in obvious areas compared to Sneijder and vPersie.
And apparently Huntelaar also was a pain in the ass because he wasn't playing. Some players wanted him to leave.
I have always supported Sneijder as a more deep playing midfielder. He doesn't come into the box. That's not his thing. He never tries to come up real close to the striker. He is best in the counter giving a perfect pass over relatively long distance.
People here are now starting to deny how stacked they are and claim Portugal's lesser player are much better than ours. I don't believe this is really true. I believe this was both a tactical and a teamspirit failure. Now which one caused the other I don't know, but they are connected.
Really like France 2 years ago.
I would compare NL's euro 2012 to France 2008 rather. Both teams were trying to keep momentum after a successful world cup, but ended up in the group of death, against teams you cannot beat if you're not at 100%. France 2008 problems were also a mix of tactical/ego ones, with malouda/ribery only willing to play left-wing, anelka/henry as striker and so on, which made it really hard to perform as a team
Trust me, when you'll have a tourney as horrendous as France had in 2010 you'll know 
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On June 19 2012 11:38 Tazza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 11:09 alderamin wrote:
You are exactly right. But because they played that way at the WC as well, 6-0-4 (they in fact did and it didn't look pretty), they stuck to that system.
The system you propose is what most people in the Netherlands wanted and that's why the pressure on the team was so big. But apparently players didn't want to play that way. VPersie and Sneijder both want the free role. And apparently the same with Robben.
Sneijder as a deep midfielder would have to do a lot of defending. He just doesn't want to do that. And VPersie would have to have to defend the controlling midfielder of the opposing team and he is used to being a striker.
I would support such a system. But it was never practiced and key players opposed it.
Many key players also don't like Huntelaar. He has a different personality than most football stars and he isn't a complete player and he lacks skill in obvious areas compared to Sneijder and vPersie.
And apparently Huntelaar also was a pain in the ass because he wasn't playing. Some players wanted him to leave.
I have always supported Sneijder as a more deep playing midfielder. He doesn't come into the box. That's not his thing. He never tries to come up real close to the striker. He is best in the counter giving a perfect pass over relatively long distance.
People here are now starting to deny how stacked they are and claim Portugal's lesser player are much better than ours. I don't believe this is really true. I believe this was both a tactical and a teamspirit failure. Now which one caused the other I don't know, but they are connected.
Really like France 2 years ago. Yeah, I actually think the run that Netherlands had at 2010 might have been bad for the future of dutch football. they had a great run, and almost beat spain, but really, the only noteworthy team they beat was brazil. and that brazil team was pretty bad compared to other brazil teams, and brazil got that red card. Against spain, they literally mugged the spanish players. I thought there should have been some red cards. if the manager knew this, then he should have implemented a different system. screw what the players want, this isn't club football where you can get a transfer, stamp your authority and play the formation you think is right. and i don't think sneijder would have had to track back much, when de jong can just play the midfield destroyer role. but yeah, i totally agree, this team had as much talent as any team in the world, and portugal only have ronaldo. nani's decent, but not world class, and there is el loco pepe. one thing though, how did the dutch manage to score so many goals in qualifying and look so dominant, but fail so horribly in the tournament? was it the same formation and system?
You must have no clue of football if you think Brazil 2010 was a bad team. Dunga was a brilliant tactician, their 4-3-1-2 were completely bossing midfields and set the pace for years.
He was a brilliant man and imo sacking him is one of the most horrible decisions Brazil has ever made.
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On June 19 2012 19:30 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 11:38 Tazza wrote:On June 19 2012 11:09 alderamin wrote:
You are exactly right. But because they played that way at the WC as well, 6-0-4 (they in fact did and it didn't look pretty), they stuck to that system.
The system you propose is what most people in the Netherlands wanted and that's why the pressure on the team was so big. But apparently players didn't want to play that way. VPersie and Sneijder both want the free role. And apparently the same with Robben.
Sneijder as a deep midfielder would have to do a lot of defending. He just doesn't want to do that. And VPersie would have to have to defend the controlling midfielder of the opposing team and he is used to being a striker.
I would support such a system. But it was never practiced and key players opposed it.
Many key players also don't like Huntelaar. He has a different personality than most football stars and he isn't a complete player and he lacks skill in obvious areas compared to Sneijder and vPersie.
And apparently Huntelaar also was a pain in the ass because he wasn't playing. Some players wanted him to leave.
I have always supported Sneijder as a more deep playing midfielder. He doesn't come into the box. That's not his thing. He never tries to come up real close to the striker. He is best in the counter giving a perfect pass over relatively long distance.
People here are now starting to deny how stacked they are and claim Portugal's lesser player are much better than ours. I don't believe this is really true. I believe this was both a tactical and a teamspirit failure. Now which one caused the other I don't know, but they are connected.
Really like France 2 years ago. Yeah, I actually think the run that Netherlands had at 2010 might have been bad for the future of dutch football. they had a great run, and almost beat spain, but really, the only noteworthy team they beat was brazil. and that brazil team was pretty bad compared to other brazil teams, and brazil got that red card. Against spain, they literally mugged the spanish players. I thought there should have been some red cards. if the manager knew this, then he should have implemented a different system. screw what the players want, this isn't club football where you can get a transfer, stamp your authority and play the formation you think is right. and i don't think sneijder would have had to track back much, when de jong can just play the midfield destroyer role. but yeah, i totally agree, this team had as much talent as any team in the world, and portugal only have ronaldo. nani's decent, but not world class, and there is el loco pepe. one thing though, how did the dutch manage to score so many goals in qualifying and look so dominant, but fail so horribly in the tournament? was it the same formation and system? You must have no clue of football if you think Brazil 2010 was a bad team. Dunga was a brilliant tactician, their 4-3-1-2 were completely bossing midfields and set the pace for years. He was a brilliant man and imo sacking him is one of the most horrible decisions Brazil has ever made.
I never said they were a bad team. I just said it wasn't as good as some of the brazil teams of the past. and i think the dutch were sort of lucky in the match. I felt like the dutch didn't really beat them, but the brazil team just imploded. brazil was dominating in that first half, but then they just...
oh and that really close 2-1 win over north korea.
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On June 19 2012 20:03 Tazza wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 19:30 sharkie wrote:On June 19 2012 11:38 Tazza wrote:On June 19 2012 11:09 alderamin wrote:
You are exactly right. But because they played that way at the WC as well, 6-0-4 (they in fact did and it didn't look pretty), they stuck to that system.
The system you propose is what most people in the Netherlands wanted and that's why the pressure on the team was so big. But apparently players didn't want to play that way. VPersie and Sneijder both want the free role. And apparently the same with Robben.
Sneijder as a deep midfielder would have to do a lot of defending. He just doesn't want to do that. And VPersie would have to have to defend the controlling midfielder of the opposing team and he is used to being a striker.
I would support such a system. But it was never practiced and key players opposed it.
Many key players also don't like Huntelaar. He has a different personality than most football stars and he isn't a complete player and he lacks skill in obvious areas compared to Sneijder and vPersie.
And apparently Huntelaar also was a pain in the ass because he wasn't playing. Some players wanted him to leave.
I have always supported Sneijder as a more deep playing midfielder. He doesn't come into the box. That's not his thing. He never tries to come up real close to the striker. He is best in the counter giving a perfect pass over relatively long distance.
People here are now starting to deny how stacked they are and claim Portugal's lesser player are much better than ours. I don't believe this is really true. I believe this was both a tactical and a teamspirit failure. Now which one caused the other I don't know, but they are connected.
Really like France 2 years ago. Yeah, I actually think the run that Netherlands had at 2010 might have been bad for the future of dutch football. they had a great run, and almost beat spain, but really, the only noteworthy team they beat was brazil. and that brazil team was pretty bad compared to other brazil teams, and brazil got that red card. Against spain, they literally mugged the spanish players. I thought there should have been some red cards. if the manager knew this, then he should have implemented a different system. screw what the players want, this isn't club football where you can get a transfer, stamp your authority and play the formation you think is right. and i don't think sneijder would have had to track back much, when de jong can just play the midfield destroyer role. but yeah, i totally agree, this team had as much talent as any team in the world, and portugal only have ronaldo. nani's decent, but not world class, and there is el loco pepe. one thing though, how did the dutch manage to score so many goals in qualifying and look so dominant, but fail so horribly in the tournament? was it the same formation and system? You must have no clue of football if you think Brazil 2010 was a bad team. Dunga was a brilliant tactician, their 4-3-1-2 were completely bossing midfields and set the pace for years. He was a brilliant man and imo sacking him is one of the most horrible decisions Brazil has ever made. I never said they were a bad team. I just said it wasn't as good as some of the brazil teams of the past. and i think the dutch were sort of lucky in the match. I felt like the dutch didn't really beat them, but the brazil team just imploded. brazil was dominating in that first half, but then they just... oh and that really close 2-1 win over north korea.
Brazil was a good team but not that good.. Their star was kaka who hadn't even played a lot at Real cuz of injuries. A bit like Sneijder I guess.
And how can you call Dunga a brilliant tactician... He puts Alves on the mid -.-
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He is right, they were a bad team. They had no star players except a returning from injury, out of form Kaka. Melo, Elano, etc come on. Is that Brasil? And yes they also played bad tactically. Very defensive a bit like the Netherlands themselves play. No modern football that attack and defend as one unit and cover the entire field well positonally.
Also agree the Dutch didn't beat Brasil and Brasil beat itself.
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On June 19 2012 11:38 Tazza wrote:
but yeah, i totally agree, this team had as much talent as any team in the world, and portugal only have ronaldo. nani's decent, but not world class, and there is el loco pepe.
Ahem. I would argue that the entire back four of Portugal is better than the Dutch, player-by-player. Then in the midfield we have Moutinho, Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani and Meireles, a group that is at least on par with Van der Vaart-Robben-Van Persie-Sneijder.
I don't see where the Dutch talent advantage was expect in the striker, which is rather useless in a game where your striker hits his first shot in the last 15 minutes of the game, or whatever it was.
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Have some italian supporter  omnomoonom
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Getting really pumped for Italy vs England (english football fans are probably the ones I've had the most disputes with :D).
Italy haven't looked all that good, but you can simply NEVER count them out once they've reached the knock-out stages.
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England > Italy
France > Spain
Portugal > Czech
Germany > Greece
A MAN CAN DREAM!
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Portugal > Czech
Spain > France
Germany > Greece
Italy > England.
Portugal > Spain
Italy > Germany
Portugal > Italy
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On June 20 2012 09:57 Navi wrote:
England > Italy
France > Spain
Portugal > Czech
Germany > Greece
A MAN CAN DREAM!
That's more like a nightmare!
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Portugal > Czech
Spain > France
Germany > Greece
Italy > England
Portugal < Spain
Italy < Germany
Spain > Germany
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Portugal > Czech
Spain > France
Germany > Greece
England > Italy
Spain > Portugal - Man, I gotta find a way to watch this match which is like 4am in the morning
England > Germany
England > Spain
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Portugal>Czech
Spain>France
Greece>Germany
Italy>England
Spain>Portugal
Greece>Italy
Greece>Spain
Champions!!! lolololol, but seriously if we manage to get past germany we will go to the final 100%.
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Dudes it's winner 1 vs winner 3, winner 2 vs winner 4. I think they do this to avoid a double match in final from groups.
1. POR < CZE
2. SPA < FRA
3. GRE > GER
4. ITA < ENG
CZE < GRE
FRA < ENG
GRE > ENG
English expectations crushed. Consolation for John Terry as he will still lift the trophy.
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On June 20 2012 16:51 Surrealistic wrote:
Dudes it's winner 1 vs winner 3, winner 2 vs winner 4. I think they do this to avoid a double match in final from groups.
1. POR < CZE
2. SPA < FRA
3. GRE > GER
4. ITA < ENG
CZE < GRE
FRA < ENG
GRE > ENG
English expectations crushed. Consolation for John Terry as he will still lift the trophy.
no, the winner of Germany - Greece will play against the Winner of Italy - England 
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The weekend with Spain vs France and England vs Italy is going to be schweet.
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On June 19 2012 21:57 warding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 11:38 Tazza wrote:
but yeah, i totally agree, this team had as much talent as any team in the world, and portugal only have ronaldo. nani's decent, but not world class, and there is el loco pepe.
Ahem. I would argue that the entire back four of Portugal is better than the Dutch, player-by-player. Then in the midfield we have Moutinho, Cristiano Ronaldo, Nani and Meireles, a group that is at least on par with Van der Vaart-Robben-Van Persie-Sneijder. I don't see where the Dutch talent advantage was expect in the striker, which is rather useless in a game where your striker hits his first shot in the last 15 minutes of the game, or whatever it was.
Yeah, Van Persie and Huntelaar played worse than Postiga did
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