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don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-17 13:58:11
June 17 2012 13:57 GMT
#781
I'm happy there haven't been 0-0 yet in this tournament.
Although there were some games that very well could have ended 0-0
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18662 Posts
June 17 2012 15:44 GMT
#782
I say the winner between Portugal vs Holland deserves to go through!
babishh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada965 Posts
June 17 2012 18:56 GMT
#783
can we have a streaming for portugal vs holland?
twitch.tv/babishh
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
June 17 2012 18:57 GMT
#784
Jesus christ what a shot from VDV
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13408 Posts
June 17 2012 19:14 GMT
#785
Ronaldo showing up right now
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
June 17 2012 19:41 GMT
#786
Am I the only one who's seriously annoyed by that song?

Kevmeister @ Dota2
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13408 Posts
June 17 2012 20:37 GMT
#787
Yeah portugal goes through!!!
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
June 17 2012 22:20 GMT
#788
On June 17 2012 09:12 ZapRoffo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 08:15 Mentalizor wrote:
Can anyone explain what happens in a tiebreak?

If Netherlands beats Portugal - and Germany beats Denmark we'll have:
Germany 3-0
Denmark 1-2
Netherlands 1-2
Portugal 1-2

And in case Denmark wins and Portugal wins, we'll have
Germany 2-1
Denmark 2-1
Portugal 2-1
Netherlands 0-3

In case both games draw
Germany 2-1-0
Denmark 1-1-1
Portugal 1-1-1
Netherlands 0-1-0

This can easilly become a threeway tie. Or at least a tiebreaker for 2nd place.
Is it the winner of the game between the tiebreakers? Is it scored goals? Goal difference (I don't know if that's the english term, but you get my point) I'm afraid Denmark can't use the goals today if we tiebreak against Portugal. Or am I missing something?


Here are all the tiebreak scenarios:
For case 1 above, three teams at 3 points:
If Netherlands beats Portugal by 2 goals or more, Netherlands gets the spot (they will have best GD in games among the 3).
If Netherlands beats Portugal by 1 goal, Portugal gets the spot (they will have the most goals scored in games among the 3).
Denmark can't get the spot if they lose.

For case 2, three teams at 6 points:
If Denmark beats Germany by 2 goals or more, order is 1. Denmark, 2. Portugal (by GD in games among 3)
If Denmark beats Germany 1-0, order is 1. Portugal 2. Denmark (by Goals scored in games among 3, then Portugal head to head over Den.)
If Denmark beats Germany 2-1, order is 1. Denmark 2. Portugal (by goals scored in games among the 3)
If Denmark beats Germany 3-2 or higher 1 goal win, order is 1. Denmark 2. Germany (by goals scored in games among the 3, then Germany over Port. head to head)

For case 3, Portugal and Denmark tied at 4 points, Portugal gets the spot by winning head to head.

If Germany and Portugal tie at 6, order is 1. Germany 2. Portugal
If Germany and Denmark tie at 6, order is 1. Denmark 2. Germany.

What each team needs to advance:
Netherlands: Win by 2+ goals and Germany beats Denmark

Denmark: Win, or draw and Netherlands beats Portugal

Portugal: Win as long as Denmark doesn't beat Germany by 3-2 or higher 1 goal margin, Draw and Denmark draw or loss, or lose by 1 and Germany beats Denmark

Germany: Win, Draw, lose 3-2 or higher 1 goal margin, or any loss if Portugal doesn't win


Thanks a ton This actually explained all the scenarios Turns out it wasn't relevant, but still thanks for the nice explanation
(yಠ,ಠ)y - Y U NO ALL IN? - rtsAlaran: " I somehow sit inside the bus.Hot_Bit giving me a massage"
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6284 Posts
June 18 2012 01:03 GMT
#789
NL should win one award for this euro : most disappointing performance.
Brow23
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany105 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 07:32:16
June 18 2012 07:31 GMT
#790
Germany is the only team that finishes the grp-stage with 9pts (3-0)
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
June 18 2012 09:13 GMT
#791
Knew I was foolish to bet the double on Germany and Holland to win... sigh... lol
Live and Let Die!
Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2107 Posts
June 18 2012 09:46 GMT
#792
On June 18 2012 04:41 FliedLice wrote:
Am I the only one who's seriously annoyed by that song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTeNictJxMw

Agree. I think Waving flag is the best world championship song that's been so far. It really has a a strong message that gets tears in my eyes :')
~~Yo man ! MBCGame HERO Fighting !! Holy check !
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 19:43:57
June 18 2012 19:43 GMT
#793
can I ask, the way English media is going on about Rooney being unleashedy... how worried are other teams?
Live and Let Die!
Epx
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland209 Posts
June 18 2012 22:30 GMT
#794
On June 19 2012 04:43 Tommylew wrote:
can I ask, the way English media is going on about Rooney being unleashedy... how worried are other teams?


Very.
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
June 18 2012 23:36 GMT
#795
On June 18 2012 16:31 Brow23 wrote:
Germany is the only team that finishes the grp-stage with 9pts (3-0)


No need to keep playing, if you get 9 points, you get the EuroCup automatically.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
Epx
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland209 Posts
June 18 2012 23:49 GMT
#796
On June 19 2012 08:36 xN.07)MaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2012 16:31 Brow23 wrote:
Germany is the only team that finishes the grp-stage with 9pts (3-0)


No need to keep playing, if you get 9 points, you get the EuroCup automatically.


Is that the Spanish style of thinking? So be glad you didn't get 9 points, lmao.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 19 2012 01:57 GMT
#797
wow, how did netherlands fail so spectacularly(not getting a SINGLE POINT) with such a stacked team? I think it might have been because at times it seemed like the dutch were playing 6-0-4, because van vommel and de jong couldn't connect with sneijder and the wingers. idk, i might have tried to play sneider in the deep lying playmaker position and not #10 so that the deffense will connect with offense better. then play rvp in a second striker/AMC position with huntelaar on top.
alderamin
Profile Joined June 2012
80 Posts
June 19 2012 02:09 GMT
#798
You are exactly right. But because they played that way at the WC as well, 6-0-4 (they in fact did and it didn't look pretty), they stuck to that system.

The system you propose is what most people in the Netherlands wanted and that's why the pressure on the team was so big. But apparently players didn't want to play that way. VPersie and Sneijder both want the free role. And apparently the same with Robben.
Sneijder as a deep midfielder would have to do a lot of defending. He just doesn't want to do that. And VPersie would have to have to defend the controlling midfielder of the opposing team and he is used to being a striker.

I would support such a system. But it was never practiced and key players opposed it.

Many key players also don't like Huntelaar. He has a different personality than most football stars and he isn't a complete player and he lacks skill in obvious areas compared to Sneijder and vPersie.
And apparently Huntelaar also was a pain in the ass because he wasn't playing. Some players wanted him to leave.

I have always supported Sneijder as a more deep playing midfielder. He doesn't come into the box. That's not his thing. He never tries to come up real close to the striker. He is best in the counter giving a perfect pass over relatively long distance.

People here are now starting to deny how stacked they are and claim Portugal's lesser player are much better than ours. I don't believe this is really true. I believe this was both a tactical and a teamspirit failure. Now which one caused the other I don't know, but they are connected.
Really like France 2 years ago.
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 19 2012 02:38 GMT
#799
On June 19 2012 11:09 alderamin wrote:
You are exactly right. But because they played that way at the WC as well, 6-0-4 (they in fact did and it didn't look pretty), they stuck to that system.

The system you propose is what most people in the Netherlands wanted and that's why the pressure on the team was so big. But apparently players didn't want to play that way. VPersie and Sneijder both want the free role. And apparently the same with Robben.
Sneijder as a deep midfielder would have to do a lot of defending. He just doesn't want to do that. And VPersie would have to have to defend the controlling midfielder of the opposing team and he is used to being a striker.

I would support such a system. But it was never practiced and key players opposed it.

Many key players also don't like Huntelaar. He has a different personality than most football stars and he isn't a complete player and he lacks skill in obvious areas compared to Sneijder and vPersie.
And apparently Huntelaar also was a pain in the ass because he wasn't playing. Some players wanted him to leave.

I have always supported Sneijder as a more deep playing midfielder. He doesn't come into the box. That's not his thing. He never tries to come up real close to the striker. He is best in the counter giving a perfect pass over relatively long distance.

People here are now starting to deny how stacked they are and claim Portugal's lesser player are much better than ours. I don't believe this is really true. I believe this was both a tactical and a teamspirit failure. Now which one caused the other I don't know, but they are connected.
Really like France 2 years ago.

Yeah, I actually think the run that Netherlands had at 2010 might have been bad for the future of dutch football. they had a great run, and almost beat spain, but really, the only noteworthy team they beat was brazil. and that brazil team was pretty bad compared to other brazil teams, and brazil got that red card. Against spain, they literally mugged the spanish players. I thought there should have been some red cards.

if the manager knew this, then he should have implemented a different system. screw what the players want, this isn't club football where you can get a transfer, stamp your authority and play the formation you think is right. and i don't think sneijder would have had to track back much, when de jong can just play the midfield destroyer role.

but yeah, i totally agree, this team had as much talent as any team in the world, and portugal only have ronaldo. nani's decent, but not world class, and there is el loco pepe.

one thing though, how did the dutch manage to score so many goals in qualifying and look so dominant, but fail so horribly in the tournament? was it the same formation and system?
don_kyuhote
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
3007 Posts
June 19 2012 03:14 GMT
#800
On June 19 2012 11:38 Tazza wrote:
one thing though, how did the dutch manage to score so many goals in qualifying and look so dominant, but fail so horribly in the tournament? was it the same formation and system?

Strength of opponents.
San Marino, Finland, Moldova, Hungary are not Germany Portugal Denmark.
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?
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