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On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking. People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses. The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it. HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's. Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited. mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%. Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy. PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out. That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win.
And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random.
It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it.
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MC owns hahaha, man I love this guy
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On March 21 2011 20:20 zocktol wrote:
I have no problem wiht MCs attitude, just like HUK, when he starts to loose, which i doubt will happen in the nearest future, he will heat his own words.
The top 3 control in the world, is still hunting HUK, as people can witness, looking at the live report thread.
The only problem i have with MC is his dominance, the games he is participating in are not at all entertaining, to me. It's like watching a professional boxer fighting a 8 year old with leukemia.
Hopefully White-Ra puts up a good fight.
Well doesnt that say something about MC? Just using what you said and who he has faced (like july), that makes him an amazing player to make a game with july look like "a professional boxer fighting a 8 year old with leukemia"
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Nice interviews and a nice write up, though I will say MC comes of a little too cocky for my liking, but I suppose with a record like his it’s hard not to be at least a little cocky. He is a very impressive player, and I think arguably the best Protoss player in the world so in a way he’s just stating facts, but I believe everyone regardless of where they are should understand how to be humble.
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Awesome games, cool stuff by Morrow, I thought they were pretty evenly matched, people don't give Morrow enough credit. Also Husky's commentary has improved by a lot, but he speaks way fast. :/
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lol MC is such a boss. That is probably the best interview I've ever read on TL. Gotta love the best player in the world trash talking and winning its awesome.
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MC is great, I'm not sure why he's getting so much flak for it. He is the best player in the world (right now) after all. It's also obvious (at least to me) that he's jesting for the most part, and enjoying his time in the spotlight. When it counts, his true nature comes out: wearing a TL patch in the GSL finals, reaching out to the foreigner community, etc etc.
Also this whole hero vs villain thing everyone has going with him is great for the community because people want to take him down. It's one of the things you need to make a superstar.
The difference between MC's BM and Ciara's BM is that MC's is in justified confidence and Ciara's is in bitter raging. There are obviously a ton of things Ciara could do to improve, so raging about losing to the best player in the world is a little immature.
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the second hasu huk game needs a few updates....huk had 5 immortals not stalkers and you say "Huk, now armed with 5 stalkers, takes advantage of his superior army and expands. Huk decides to as well, warping in a huge number of zealots making Huk unable to pressure him." im pretty sure the second huk is a hasu....just saying
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Morrow interview was pretty good , he always looks / sounds like a damn nice guy , I really don't get how some people dislike / hate him.
I like MC's cockyness , I love when he talks big and stuff but his bandwagon is really overdoing it. He's a player , no doubt , he's trying to make a name for himself and have a moral advantage over his opponents , I just don't get why his fans doing it tho.
I mean , it is pretty normal ( and awesome ) when a player comes up and says "I'm the best , just hand me the 1st place and get lost" but it looks a bit weird when a fan comes up and says "He's the best , just hand him the 1st place and let's all get lost".
Whatever , I'm loving TSL so far , you guys are doing an incredibly good job !
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LoL this topic is and should be an MC worship. Can only hope for the best for the GSL SEASON 5 Champ.
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<3 MorroW's interviews. He is a great mapmaker, has experience with top level Z and T, and is still only ~18 years old. He definitely has a good future ahead of him and probably could get a job in Blizzard if he wanted to.
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On March 22 2011 01:22 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking. People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses. The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it. HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's. Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited. mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%. Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy. PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out. That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win. And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random. It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it.
PvP is rock/paper/scissors. If you pick rock, you'll lose to paper etc. You have to choose one, you can't put a flamethrower on your rock to beat paper.
Obviously, players that are ten times better than any other protoss (like mc) will have decent chances beating everyone no matter which build they choose.
Still, PvP is random and with the state of the game right now, we'll continue to see worse players beat better players because of the random factor in this matchup. No offense to HasuObs.
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Can't wait to see Morrow get crushed and cry about it.
Also, GO MC!!!
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On March 22 2011 02:14 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 01:22 enzym wrote:On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking. People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses. The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it. HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's. Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited. mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%. Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy. PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out. That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win. And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random. It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it. PvP is rock/paper/scissors. If you pick rock, you'll lose to paper etc. You have to choose one, you can't put a flamethrower on your rock to beat paper. Obviously, players that are ten times better than any other protoss (like mc) will have decent chances beating everyone no matter which build they choose. Still, PvP is random and with the state of the game right now, we'll continue to see worse players beat better players because of the random factor in this matchup. No offense to HasuObs.
I don't buy into this "randomness rock/paper/scissors" thing. You can't say this on one hand then also say "well the better player should usually win". How do you explain MC's 86% win ratio in the matchup if it REALLYis randomness? If he wins because he is 10x better than the opponents like you say, then it isn't a rock/paper/scissors match. Can't be both! Please go look up the meaning of the word random on wikipedia or something because nobody seems to know what it actually means.
You heard some pro who doesn't like the matchup say this and are just copying their opinion without putting any thought into it yourself. If it was like this, the best player in the world should not have such a high win rate in the matchup. Link to his record:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/640_MC
I would love to actually hear a good argument for this randomness some people think seems to exist in PvP. Nothing said so far can be considered an argument because they're just statements without any evidence/support.
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There's nothing random in SC2 and in PVP.
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On March 22 2011 02:14 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 01:22 enzym wrote:On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking. People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses. The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it. HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's. Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited. mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%. Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy. PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out. That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win. And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random. It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it. PvP is rock/paper/scissors. If you pick rock, you'll lose to paper etc. You have to choose one, you can't put a flamethrower on your rock to beat paper. Obviously, players that are ten times better than any other protoss (like mc) will have decent chances beating everyone no matter which build they choose. Still, PvP is random and with the state of the game right now, we'll continue to see worse players beat better players because of the random factor in this matchup. No offense to HasuObs.
Could you please expedite the rock paper siccors analogy further? Whats the difference between pvp bo and other mu's bo wins.
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On March 21 2011 21:39 JustPassingBy wrote:
Well, with Fruitdealer, Huk and Jinro falling, three of top players of the Korean scene have been knocked out by the top players of the western scene. That's kind of surprising, I wonder if there's somebody who predicted this.
I suspect playing with 1+seconds of constant lag is a lot of it. I suspect anyone who knew what the earth quake would do to connection speed could have predicted it.
Not to discredit Thorzain/Morrow who played awsome, but I'd say the game boxer lost was clearly lag, and the 1st game Huk lost was likely lag. Not sure with FD.
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MC so balleeeeeeeer
can't wait for MC vs whitera
cheering for hasuobs as well, well played
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On March 22 2011 02:49 aqui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2011 02:14 Mandalor wrote:On March 22 2011 01:22 enzym wrote:On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking. People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses. The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it. HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's. Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited. mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%. Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy. PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out. That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win. And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random. It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it. PvP is rock/paper/scissors. If you pick rock, you'll lose to paper etc. You have to choose one, you can't put a flamethrower on your rock to beat paper. Obviously, players that are ten times better than any other protoss (like mc) will have decent chances beating everyone no matter which build they choose. Still, PvP is random and with the state of the game right now, we'll continue to see worse players beat better players because of the random factor in this matchup. No offense to HasuObs. Could you please expedite the rock paper siccors analogy further? Whats the difference between pvp bo and other mu's bo wins.
I don't know much about PvP, but I can tell you how it works in ZvZ...
14pool > 10pool
14hatch > 14pool
10pool > 14hatch
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BTW, starting to get over my hatred of morrow's mass reaper play and actually become a fan. Win games and speak the truth, that's all I ask of a Zerg.  But I still don't quite understand why he switched to Zerg to begin with if he thinks it is imbalanced. He says he likes the Zerg playstyle better and then says that he expects Hasu to beat him because it's imbalanced? I don't quite get it.
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