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enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
March 21 2011 16:22 GMT
#241
On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:
On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking.

People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses.

The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it.
HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's.
Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited.

mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%.

Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy.

PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out.

That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win.

And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random.
It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it.
"I fart a lot, often on my gf in bed, then we roll around laughing for 5 mins choking in gas." — exog // "…be'master, the art of reflection. If you are not a thinking man, to what purpose are you a man at all?" — S. T. Coleridge
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
March 21 2011 16:29 GMT
#242
MC owns hahaha, man I love this guy
seejay2
Profile Joined December 2010
United States86 Posts
March 21 2011 16:32 GMT
#243
On March 21 2011 20:20 zocktol wrote:
I have no problem wiht MCs attitude, just like HUK, when he starts to loose, which i doubt will happen in the nearest future, he will heat his own words.
The top 3 control in the world, is still hunting HUK, as people can witness, looking at the live report thread.

The only problem i have with MC is his dominance, the games he is participating in are not at all entertaining, to me. It's like watching a professional boxer fighting a 8 year old with leukemia.

Hopefully White-Ra puts up a good fight.

Well doesnt that say something about MC? Just using what you said and who he has faced (like july), that makes him an amazing player to make a game with july look like "a professional boxer fighting a 8 year old with leukemia"
p1cKLes
Profile Joined November 2010
United States342 Posts
March 21 2011 16:37 GMT
#244
Nice interviews and a nice write up, though I will say MC comes of a little too cocky for my liking, but I suppose with a record like his it’s hard not to be at least a little cocky. He is a very impressive player, and I think arguably the best Protoss player in the world so in a way he’s just stating facts, but I believe everyone regardless of where they are should understand how to be humble.
Ziken
Profile Joined August 2010
Ghana1743 Posts
March 21 2011 16:46 GMT
#245
Awesome games, cool stuff by Morrow, I thought they were pretty evenly matched, people don't give Morrow enough credit. Also Husky's commentary has improved by a lot, but he speaks way fast. :/
Every misfortune is a blessing in disguise.
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
March 21 2011 16:50 GMT
#246
lol MC is such a boss. That is probably the best interview I've ever read on TL. Gotta love the best player in the world trash talking and winning its awesome.
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
March 21 2011 17:01 GMT
#247
MC is great, I'm not sure why he's getting so much flak for it. He is the best player in the world (right now) after all. It's also obvious (at least to me) that he's jesting for the most part, and enjoying his time in the spotlight. When it counts, his true nature comes out: wearing a TL patch in the GSL finals, reaching out to the foreigner community, etc etc.

Also this whole hero vs villain thing everyone has going with him is great for the community because people want to take him down. It's one of the things you need to make a superstar.

The difference between MC's BM and Ciara's BM is that MC's is in justified confidence and Ciara's is in bitter raging. There are obviously a ton of things Ciara could do to improve, so raging about losing to the best player in the world is a little immature.
iamamish
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States76 Posts
March 21 2011 17:07 GMT
#248
the second hasu huk game needs a few updates....huk had 5 immortals not stalkers and you say "Huk, now armed with 5 stalkers, takes advantage of his superior army and expands. Huk decides to as well, warping in a huge number of zealots making Huk unable to pressure him." im pretty sure the second huk is a hasu....just saying
dont worry...thats halo- huk
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
March 21 2011 17:08 GMT
#249
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/640_MC
You might want to remember and be less cocky my dear... There is a difference between confidence and cockiness.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Tiax;mous
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
669 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 17:12:53
March 21 2011 17:11 GMT
#250
Morrow interview was pretty good , he always looks / sounds like a damn nice guy , I really don't get how some people dislike / hate him.

I like MC's cockyness , I love when he talks big and stuff but his bandwagon is really overdoing it. He's a player , no doubt , he's trying to make a name for himself and have a moral advantage over his opponents , I just don't get why his fans doing it tho.
I mean , it is pretty normal ( and awesome ) when a player comes up and says "I'm the best , just hand me the 1st place and get lost" but it looks a bit weird when a fan comes up and says "He's the best , just hand him the 1st place and let's all get lost".

Whatever , I'm loving TSL so far , you guys are doing an incredibly good job !
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
March 21 2011 17:12 GMT
#251
LoL this topic is and should be an MC worship. Can only hope for the best for the GSL SEASON 5 Champ.
ponyo.848
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
March 21 2011 17:13 GMT
#252
<3 MorroW's interviews. He is a great mapmaker, has experience with top level Z and T, and is still only ~18 years old. He definitely has a good future ahead of him and probably could get a job in Blizzard if he wanted to.
http://grooveshark.com/#/deltrus/music
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
March 21 2011 17:14 GMT
#253
On March 22 2011 01:22 enzym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:
On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:
On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking.

People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses.

The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it.
HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's.
Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited.

mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%.

Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy.

PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out.

That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win.

And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random.
It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it.


PvP is rock/paper/scissors. If you pick rock, you'll lose to paper etc. You have to choose one, you can't put a flamethrower on your rock to beat paper.
Obviously, players that are ten times better than any other protoss (like mc) will have decent chances beating everyone no matter which build they choose.

Still, PvP is random and with the state of the game right now, we'll continue to see worse players beat better players because of the random factor in this matchup. No offense to HasuObs.
Devilgoat
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)41 Posts
March 21 2011 17:30 GMT
#254
Can't wait to see Morrow get crushed and cry about it.

Also, GO MC!!!
Skroach
Profile Joined December 2010
United States85 Posts
March 21 2011 17:33 GMT
#255
On March 22 2011 02:14 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 01:22 enzym wrote:
On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:
On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:
On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking.

People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses.

The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it.
HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's.
Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited.

mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%.

Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy.

PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out.

That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win.

And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random.
It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it.


PvP is rock/paper/scissors. If you pick rock, you'll lose to paper etc. You have to choose one, you can't put a flamethrower on your rock to beat paper.
Obviously, players that are ten times better than any other protoss (like mc) will have decent chances beating everyone no matter which build they choose.

Still, PvP is random and with the state of the game right now, we'll continue to see worse players beat better players because of the random factor in this matchup. No offense to HasuObs.



I don't buy into this "randomness rock/paper/scissors" thing. You can't say this on one hand then also say "well the better player should usually win". How do you explain MC's 86% win ratio in the matchup if it REALLYis randomness? If he wins because he is 10x better than the opponents like you say, then it isn't a rock/paper/scissors match. Can't be both! Please go look up the meaning of the word random on wikipedia or something because nobody seems to know what it actually means.

You heard some pro who doesn't like the matchup say this and are just copying their opinion without putting any thought into it yourself. If it was like this, the best player in the world should not have such a high win rate in the matchup. Link to his record:
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/players/640_MC

I would love to actually hear a good argument for this randomness some people think seems to exist in PvP. Nothing said so far can be considered an argument because they're just statements without any evidence/support.
"Us humans can't even imagine travelling at the speed of light because it's really really really really really really fun." - Tim and Eric
Daniello
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland127 Posts
March 21 2011 17:34 GMT
#256
There's nothing random in SC2 and in PVP.
aqui
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Germany1023 Posts
March 21 2011 17:49 GMT
#257
On March 22 2011 02:14 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 01:22 enzym wrote:
On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:
On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:
On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking.

People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses.

The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it.
HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's.
Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited.

mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%.

Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy.

PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out.

That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win.

And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random.
It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it.


PvP is rock/paper/scissors. If you pick rock, you'll lose to paper etc. You have to choose one, you can't put a flamethrower on your rock to beat paper.
Obviously, players that are ten times better than any other protoss (like mc) will have decent chances beating everyone no matter which build they choose.

Still, PvP is random and with the state of the game right now, we'll continue to see worse players beat better players because of the random factor in this matchup. No offense to HasuObs.

Could you please expedite the rock paper siccors analogy further? Whats the difference between pvp bo and other mu's bo wins.
tarath
Profile Joined April 2009
United States377 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 17:55:25
March 21 2011 17:51 GMT
#258
On March 21 2011 21:39 JustPassingBy wrote:
Well, with Fruitdealer, Huk and Jinro falling, three of top players of the Korean scene have been knocked out by the top players of the western scene. That's kind of surprising, I wonder if there's somebody who predicted this.


I suspect playing with 1+seconds of constant lag is a lot of it. I suspect anyone who knew what the earth quake would do to connection speed could have predicted it.

Not to discredit Thorzain/Morrow who played awsome, but I'd say the game boxer lost was clearly lag, and the 1st game Huk lost was likely lag. Not sure with FD.
Murdoink
Profile Joined March 2009
Chile1219 Posts
March 21 2011 17:58 GMT
#259
MC so balleeeeeeeer
can't wait for MC vs whitera

cheering for hasuobs as well, well played
SNARF HWAITING
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 18:09:41
March 21 2011 18:05 GMT
#260
On March 22 2011 02:49 aqui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 02:14 Mandalor wrote:
On March 22 2011 01:22 enzym wrote:
On March 22 2011 00:56 Enervate wrote:
On March 22 2011 00:21 enzym wrote:
On March 21 2011 19:05 Stamper wrote:
Love Morrows answer concerning the match Hasu vs HuK. Exactly what i was thinking.

People should really stop making excuses whenever their favourite player loses.

The better player in that particular matchup on that particular day wins. That's all there is to it.
HuK lost because his decision making (including build choice and not scouting the proxy pylon) and arguably preparation was worse (less in depth) than Hasu's.
Jinro lost because he took risks, which MorroW exploited.

mouz was better in 66% of these games, and Liquid was better in the remaining 33%.

Just because pvp seems unpredictable for fans and a lot of players doesn't make it inherently random or chancy.

PvP is inherently random. In PvP, build order wins are quite common because it's impossible to scout after your probe dies and before your obs gets out.

That doesn't mean Hasu doesn't deserve his win.

And the players choose those buildorders. They are not chosen for them. It is not random.
It is your job to know the weakness of your build and make sure you can handle anything threatening it.


PvP is rock/paper/scissors. If you pick rock, you'll lose to paper etc. You have to choose one, you can't put a flamethrower on your rock to beat paper.
Obviously, players that are ten times better than any other protoss (like mc) will have decent chances beating everyone no matter which build they choose.

Still, PvP is random and with the state of the game right now, we'll continue to see worse players beat better players because of the random factor in this matchup. No offense to HasuObs.

Could you please expedite the rock paper siccors analogy further? Whats the difference between pvp bo and other mu's bo wins.


I don't know much about PvP, but I can tell you how it works in ZvZ...

14pool > 10pool
14hatch > 14pool
10pool > 14hatch

Edit:
BTW, starting to get over my hatred of morrow's mass reaper play and actually become a fan. Win games and speak the truth, that's all I ask of a Zerg. But I still don't quite understand why he switched to Zerg to begin with if he thinks it is imbalanced. He says he likes the Zerg playstyle better and then says that he expects Hasu to beat him because it's imbalanced? I don't quite get it.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
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