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MURICA15980 Posts
On February 15 2011 02:29 Daigomi wrote:
I'm dead certain Haypro won't make the player pool weaker. And as Drone mentioned, there's no way TL could have not invited him. The only reason he is unable to qualify via TL Opens is because he's gone to Korea to represent TL. Leaving him off of the roster for such a big tournament would be a major slap in the face, especially given his dedication and talent.
As someone who had nothing to do with the invites, I do not think this was stressed enough.
Imagine if you were in charge of liquid. You ask a player to move halfway across the world from Sweden to compete at the highest level in Korea. By doing so, you inherently say "I think you are one of the best. I see promise. I believe in you." Then you start the biggest online SC2 tournament in the world with a rule that Korean server players cannot compete in qualifications. This means he cannot qualify when he could have otherwise in Sweden. After that, can you REALLY not invite him given all the sacrifices, dedication, and hard work he's put into the game based on decisions you recommended for his career? It just was not happening. And if it did, there would be some major credibility problems within Liquid for how they treat and take care of their own players. It does not make sense to screw over one of your own like that after saying you believe in their talent and after the life changing commitment he made to the team based on your recommendation. This is especially so because the TSL has historically been a tournament for the foreigner scene until now.
All that said, Haypro's the man and he's more than good enough to be invited. All the haters just made me into a Haypro fanboy. Show 'em up Hayder.
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On February 15 2011 06:31 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2011 02:29 Daigomi wrote:
I'm dead certain Haypro won't make the player pool weaker. And as Drone mentioned, there's no way TL could have not invited him. The only reason he is unable to qualify via TL Opens is because he's gone to Korea to represent TL. Leaving him off of the roster for such a big tournament would be a major slap in the face, especially given his dedication and talent. As someone who had nothing to do with the invites, I do not think this was stressed enough. Imagine if you were in charge of liquid. You ask a player to move halfway across the world from Sweden to compete at the highest level in Korea. By doing so, you inherently say "I think you are one of the best. I see promise. I believe in you." Then you start the biggest online SC2 tournament in the world with a rule that Korean server players cannot compete in qualifications. This means he cannot qualify when he could have otherwise in Sweden. After that, can you REALLY not invite him given all the sacrifices, dedication, and hard work he's put into the game based on decisions you recommended for his career? It just was not happening. And if it did, there would be some major credibility problems within Liquid for how they treat and take care of their own players. It does not make sense to screw over one of your own like that after saying you believe in their talent and after the life changing commitment he made to the team based on your recommendation. This is especially so because the TSL has historically been a tournament for the foreigner scene until now. All that said, Haypro's the man and he's more than good enough to be invited. All the haters just made me into a Haypro fanboy. Show 'em up Hayder.
You bring up a valid point. I stated in an earlier post that TL is free to invite whoever as it is their tournament, and I wasn't going to say something directed toward Haypro since I did not know all the circumstances. I think the concern is since the Korean Ladder cannot be used to qualify, we're missing out on a ton of potentially amazing players. I don't have a problem with Haypro getting the invite. I have a problem with players like St_July and OGsZenio not getting invited.
Edit: I think a lot of people are upset because they see the situation as because Haypro got the invite these other players cannot and did not get one.
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This is going to be the most exciting TSL yet. And last years was pretty freaking amazing. Does anyone know if the replays will be posted of all of these games afterwards? It would be amazing to study them and learn some strategies and techniques.
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me thinks people watched haypro in round of 64 and never anything else...
haypro is a monster and more than deserving this invite. please name a zerg who is better than him that isn't on the invite list as well....
Edit: I see some people saying July... while July packs starpower HayprO is a fundamentally better sc2 player than July, hurts to say but it's the truth. Go watch some replays.
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On February 15 2011 08:38 crms wrote:
me thinks people watched haypro in round of 64 and never anything else...
haypro is a monster and more than deserving this invite. please name a zerg who is better than him that isn't on the invite list as well....
Edit: I see some people saying July... while July packs starpower HayprO is a fundamentally better sc2 player than July, hurts to say but it's the truth. Go watch some replays.
You do know julyzerg is a much stronger zerg. He is right now in code S. He made is to round of 16 losing the oGsMC when people considered MC to not be able to lose anyone in the game. I don't think haypro can take a game off MC at that time. Not only that it was a good series not a walkover. It was 2-1 and last game was a nail biter until a micro mistake that got his roaches caught in middle of nowhere against blink stalkers. July has taken down top sc2 pros in the teamleague. He is proven to be a monster at the moment. I wouldnt put him too behind idra if they aren't the same level already.
Zenio as many have said is also probably a better zerg. The guy is consistent and good. He took out idra and even though its a zvz that is no easy feat. This guy is the only zerg who literraly rolled MVP. He got knocked out of in code S by Tester. He lost in GSL S2 by losing to Nestea who later won it. He qualified for all the starleague so he is at least as consistent as Idra.
Im not sure if you really want to compare accomplishment because Haypro is no where near as accomplished as either of the two.
Now I agree with the guy above me(or a few guys above me). Most people aren't upset that Haypro got the invite. But the fact that he got it over Julyzerg or oGsZenio or Kyrix seems wrong.
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If haypro got invited, would have loved to see Monglade invited by that same logic. That said however, this is panning out to be THE sc2 event of 2011 thus far.
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holy crap beastly zergs incoming... TSL keeps looking better and better! cant wait to see what T are invited
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So for my question as to what maps are being used for the tourney? which maps are you guys using for the tourney?
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i hope oGs.TOP or oGs.TheSTC get invited as well, both are tremendously skilled
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Just the fact that this tournament will have awesome maps makes me absolute confident this tournament will be the best outside of GSL. Both in terms of exciting new strategies and execution.
NesTea will obviously go to the final, unless MVP is invited and meets him first. 
Maybe I'm just a biased Zerg player, who believes the reason Zerg is so hard to play in tournaments, is because often the other player can force the game to be played on completely imba maps like Jungle, Steppes and DQ. So glad TSL don't have any of that shit.
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That is simply amazing. Looking forward to watching this. I am excite!
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Jinro
Mvp
Marine king
Boxer
Nada
Calling it now... tsl is gonna kick ass
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jeez, this TSL gonna be AMAZING!
//tx
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United States15275 Posts
Placement in GSL means nothing unless it's consistent and identifiable; just qualifying for Code S depends on the luck of matchups as well as skill. The outcome of matchups means nothing by itself, unless you guys concede that choya is better than MVP (he "rolled" MVP 2-0 in GSL3) and is almost comparable to Jinro (he lost 3-2 in Ro16). But no one thinks that. And for all of MVP's hype, no one was talking about him like this before Gisado's Challenge. He didn't magically become the best Terran in the world overnight either.
The fact is we haven't seen enough of Haypro to judge his fundamentals, or how he reacts under pressure, or the strength of his late-game. Your doubts may or may not be justified once we see him play, but for now hold your criticism.
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On February 16 2011 03:08 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Placement in GSL means nothing unless it's consistent and identifiable; just qualifying for Code S depends on the luck of matchups as well as skill. The outcome of matchups means nothing by itself, unless you guys concede that choya is better than MVP (he "rolled" MVP 2-0 in GSL3) and is almost comparable to Jinro (he lost 3-2 in Ro16). But no one thinks that. And for all of MVP's hype, no one was talking about him like this before Gisado's Challenge. He didn't magically become the best Terran in the world overnight either.
The fact is we haven't seen enough of Haypro to judge his fundamentals, or how he reacts under pressure, or the strength of his late-game. Your doubts may or may not be justified once we see him play, but for now hold your criticism.
Choya isn't weak he is definitely one of the top protoss at the moment. He made to and stayed in code S proves a lot. He lost season 3 at the hands of Jinro in a close 3-2 match at the quarterfinals. Im saying from his games, you can easily see he can compete with the top. He tries to play mind games by attempting to fake expand then cancel. He took down MVP in a series. I mean anyone can take down MVP in a BO-1 but doing it in a series is so much harder.
Noone said Zenio is better than MVP so I don't see how you could draw a conclusion that Choya is. Being able to beat/compete with the best is definitely what i look for in a good player. I mean if Haypro fell to SCV rush of BitbyBit what if MVP or Jinro SCV rush him with them having better micro and game sense.
The fact is we did see how he folded under pressure/weak judgmenet. Round of 64 of GSL 3 is an obivous indicator. He lost plain to two straight scv all in. Now you can say those are imba, but an out of shape fruitdealer shut down the same type of SCV all-in with ease.
The main thing I feel is that TSL is like pitting some of the best online newcomers against all-stars of the game. When you get invited, I don't want to hope to see something good. I never need to hope to see MC crush terran nubs who mass marauders. I know he is going to do it.
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On February 14 2011 21:50 Silahsor wrote:
I am afraid Haypro is not there yet to be amongst top 5. Morrow, Dimaga, July or LosirA might be a better pick.
User was warned for this post. Read the topic and inform yourself.
On February 15 2011 00:36 Plexa wrote:
To clarify, people are not being warned for posting about Haypro. They are being warned for not informing themselves properly of what the TSL invites are - an invite JUST for players on the Asian servers - not players from EU or NA.
:o
Anyways, really looking forward to the tournament,
especially how the top non-koreans around the world compete with the top people living in Korea,
since several players already said that in SC2 the skill gap is not that big or even non-existant.
There was a thread on readmore on how all the tournaments in SC2 are so similar,
always the same system and even always the same players.
While the TLopen won't change much on the good old system,
mixing up the top players from all around the world definitely is incredibly refreshing.
GO HUK!
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Really disliking the Haypro invite. Personally I feel that Kyrix or July would have been a better invite with Kyrix being the less biased of the two (GSL All Stars). Although we DO NOT know which players were invited and declined.
I really hope the ro32 is mostly TL Open Qualifiers vs Invites. I would hate to see Invite vs Invite kills early on.
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HOOOOO yeah sooo legit.... this is the esports equivalent of an allstar skills comp
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On February 15 2011 13:28 Gentleman7 wrote:
If haypro got invited, would have loved to see Monglade invited by that same logic. That said however, this is panning out to be THE sc2 event of 2011 thus far.
How would that be using the same logic? Moonglade hasn't even proven himself to be good player yet and is not involved with Team Liquid whatsoever (He's on FXO)
The main point is Hayder is on Team Liquid and is not allowed to qualify.
And Haypro is a GREAT player, he qualified for GSL in less tries than Jinro, and he only got beat by the BitbyBit himself in Ro64, so he has yet to even be able to prove himself yet people are saying he is bad....great
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