EPTI don't know. As much as the excitement side of me, ex-bw kid wants to see Nada and Boxer play another side would also like to see oGsTop, aLive, or Clyde. I guess I'm torn as to feeling that these two are actually the best next 2 terrans in the korean scene atm. Feels alot harder for all the races once you go past MC for toss, MKP,MVP for terran and Nestea, Idra, Fruitdealer for zerg. And even this doesn't seem certain in some cases.
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
I don't know. As much as the excitement side of me, ex-bw kid wants to see Nada and Boxer play another side would also like to see oGsTop, aLive, or Clyde. I guess I'm torn as to feeling that these two are actually the best next 2 terrans in the korean scene atm. Feels alot harder for all the races once you go past MC for toss, MKP,MVP for terran and Nestea, Idra, Fruitdealer for zerg. And even this doesn't seem certain in some cases. | ||
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Bellygareth
France512 Posts
Ahaha now I can't wait for the TSL main event to start! | ||
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gryffindor
United States524 Posts
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Silahsor
Turkey59 Posts
User was warned for this post. Read the topic and inform yourself. | ||
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dwillow
Czech Republic88 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On February 14 2011 21:50 Silahsor wrote: I am afraid Haypro is not there yet to be amongst top 5. Morrow, Dimaga, July or LosirA might be a better pick. dude read the thread. Dimaga's excluded from this tsl for his ladder abuse last tsl. Morrow is competing through the TLOpens and these invites are for those from Korea. edit: whoops, typo | ||
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crazynarutard
Suriname44 Posts
I do agree that jinro, mvp and mkp are must-invites  | ||
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Burn2Memory
United States574 Posts
On February 14 2011 14:05 Mr.Ch4rms wrote: I think you have it backwards. If TLO and Tyler weren't on NA/EU servers and didn't qualify otherwise -- and if they were in Korea like their teammates -- I'm sure they'd get a free pass into the tournament as well. That being said, I'm past my initial HayprO-hate. It's their tournament and they can do whatever they want and... there's nothing really wrong with that. Yea it's their own tournament, but it really makes the player pool a lot weaker if they are inviting their own team instead of more deserving players imo. Korean players who have out performed haypro and did not recieve an invite: oGsZenio ImJunwi Golden NewDawn Monster Leenock July Check JooktoJung Moon TheWind Phoenix Kyrix Terious Yugioh Cezanne I dunno about the rest of you, but seeing a player like Haypro get an invite over somone like July, Leenock, Zenio, or Check really dissapoints me. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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MDMA_
Canada265 Posts
but haypro just hasnt preformed so far and thats just my opinion. He was invited into code A, ret made it and even though Huk was also invited into code A, he has like two accounts in top 10 korean ladder. There are plenty other zergs in code s/a that are more deserving but i do sort of agree TL inviting their own players i mean someone has to give them a chance/support them | ||
Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
On February 14 2011 23:40 Burn2Memory wrote: Yea it's their own tournament, but it really makes the player pool a lot weaker if they are inviting their own team instead of more deserving players imo. Korean players who have out performed haypro and did not recieve an invite: oGsZenio ImJunwi Golden NewDawn Monster Leenock July Check JooktoJung Moon TheWind Phoenix Kyrix Terious Yugioh Cezanne I dunno about the rest of you, but seeing a player like Haypro get an invite over somone like July, Leenock, Zenio, or Check really dissapoints me. Inviting one player of indeterminate, but high, quality into a pool of 32 players makes the whole player pool a lot weaker? That seems like a gross exaggeration. Or are you suggesting that HuK, Ret, and probably Jinro, don't deserve their spots either? That's the problem, you can't argue that TL is weakening the player pool by a lot with just one invitation, so you say they are inviting their whole team. But, the other invitees are all obvious choices, so you focus on Haypro's. And to be sure, the only people who really know how good Haypro is have invited him to this tournament, seeing as none of us have really seen him play recently. The only tournaments that Haypro has played in he's done well in, and if we look at TL (as a team's) track record, I have faith that Haypro is going to kick ass as well. No-one knew about Jinro, he stayed in Korea, practised his ass off, went to MLG and won the tournament. Since then he's become a household name. No-one rated Ret that highly after his troubles in the last GSL and he just won Assembly in one of the most difficult tournaments we've seen to date. Even HuK, who didn't win Assembly, is rumoured to be incredibly strong at the moment, and he certainly looked good in Assembly. People underestimate the effects of living in a pro-house and practising in a Korean environment 24/7. No-one who's done it for an extended period of time has failed to impress yet, Haypro just hasn't been given the opportunity to do so. With all this said, I really don't see how think inviting Haypro is a bad idea. No-one knows how he's going to perform, no-one knows how anyone is going to perform in a tournament as stacked as the TSL, but I'm dead certain Haypro won't make the player pool weaker. And as Drone mentioned, there's no way TL could have not invited him. The only reason he is unable to qualify via TL Opens is because he's gone to Korea to represent TL. Leaving him off of the roster for such a big tournament would be a major slap in the face, especially given his dedication and talent. | ||
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TUski
United States1258 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On February 14 2011 23:40 Burn2Memory wrote: I dunno about the rest of you, but seeing a player like Haypro get an invite over somone like July, Leenock, Zenio, or Check really dissapoints me. Whereas I would have loved to see July get an invite and I rate Zenio highly, Leenock and Check are generally overrated and I definitely don't see much of a difference between them and Haypro. In fact, from all the games I've seen, I would say Haypro is an overall better player than Check, and not a lot (if at all) worse than Leenock right now. The thing is, people will just look at Code S/A brackets, see some names, and automatically decide something like "player A qualified for GSL, player B didn't, hence player A is genuinely better", which makes no sense at all right now because the scene is just shaping up. Going by that logic, you'd end up inviting people like choya and Rain. Qualifiers are sick hard to get through and there's probably a dozen great players that either didn't make it to Code A or just qualified for the first time, as we could see in the GSTL recently. I'm pretty sure that if we had all the Code S players go through qualifiers again, at least a third of them wouldn't ever make it back to Code S again. There's quite simply not that much that separates Haypro skill-wise from those other Zergs that didn't get invited. And when it's a close call like that, it makes sense for him to get invited in a TL-ran event. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5676 Posts
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Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
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phyre112
United States3090 Posts
As far as the terran invites are going to go... IMMvP MarinekingPrime Liquid'Jinro ? ? I'd really like to see Clide, Rainbow, or ST_bomber in this. Bomber missed out on Code A this time around, so we won't be seeing him for a while, but we know he's a beastly player. I suppose the obvious choice is to put Nada and Boxer in there, but I'm not sure how I feel about the selection. I'm torn - we shall have to see when the terran invites are released! | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
To speculate on terrans, Jinro MVP MKP Top Nada are my top choices based on performance. They might add boxer since he's a big name or possibly thestc even though he isn't in gsl yet. | ||
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xbankx
703 Posts
On February 15 2011 02:29 Daigomi wrote: Inviting one player of indeterminate, but high, quality into a pool of 32 players makes the whole player pool a lot weaker? That seems like a gross exaggeration. Or are you suggesting that HuK, Ret, and probably Jinro, don't deserve their spots either? That's the problem, you can't argue that TL is weakening the player pool by a lot with just one invitation, so you say they are inviting their whole team. But, the other invitees are all obvious choices, so you focus on Haypro's. And to be sure, the only people who really know how good Haypro is have invited him to this tournament, seeing as none of us have really seen him play recently. The only tournaments that Haypro has played in he's done well in, and if we look at TL (as a team's) track record, I have faith that Haypro is going to kick ass as well. No-one knew about Jinro, he stayed in Korea, practised his ass off, went to MLG and won the tournament. Since then he's become a household name. No-one rated Ret that highly after his troubles in the last GSL and he just won Assembly in one of the most difficult tournaments we've seen to date. Even HuK, who didn't win Assembly, is rumoured to be incredibly strong at the moment, and he certainly looked good in Assembly. People underestimate the effects of living in a pro-house and practising in a Korean environment 24/7. No-one who's done it for an extended period of time has failed to impress yet, Haypro just hasn't been given the opportunity to do so. With all this said, I really don't see how think inviting Haypro is a bad idea. No-one knows how he's going to perform, no-one knows how anyone is going to perform in a tournament as stacked as the TSL, but I'm dead certain Haypro won't make the player pool weaker. And as Drone mentioned, there's no way TL could have not invited him. The only reason he is unable to qualify via TL Opens is because he's gone to Korea to represent TL. Leaving him off of the roster for such a big tournament would be a major slap in the face, especially given his dedication and talent. The problem is if Jinro gets the invite noone is going to complain because he accomplished the most of all foreigners in sc2 then got the invite. Huk took first in MLG the biggest US tourny and consistently stayed at top 10 of US ladder for the longest period of time.Ret made top 32 losing in a very close 3 games which could have gone either way. He showed his macro power crushing his round of 64 player even a toss on jungle basin. He recently got first against the best European+American at Assembly. Haypro got steamrolled by bitbybitprime and won a few team leagues games. Do I want to him to get to Code S and own it up? Hell yea! But do I think he deserves the invite over proven better players(oGsZenio or Kyrix or july) or more influential players(god of freaken war)? Nope.As I said before, new and upcoming players will not make TSL worse. I mean Haypro is probably better than some of the new player that qualified through qualifiers. But being an invitee to a tourney changes that and changes the standard. People don't look through an invitee list and think "meh, I heard of him before but he might do well but we aren't sure yet because well......" | ||
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dkim
United States255 Posts
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