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On December 14 2009 02:48 dshsdhk wrote:
Ye sure, the admins would let me create a smurf acc with a brasilian flag and no one would know who i was? wake up plz... and btw koreans know who i was, since when i was active i used to play on west and i was the one the fews that joined top clans like SaSin, [saM] and used to play cw´s for them and had friendship with some progamers , ve beaten silent_control at wcg 2005 in a televisioned game, so im sure some of them remember me from past.
Did you actually talk to the admins, and their solution was to let you play under another name with a Brazilian flag? Or are you just assuming this is what would happen? Because I have a hard time believing the staff would be that short-sighted when they have been amazing in every other way running this tournament. Because, logically speaking, I don't think there's any doubt that the staff (especially working closely w/ ICcup) would have the resources to give you a workable smurf account. It sounds like you either just didn't read the rules or you just decided to solve your own problems by cheating without even asking what could be done. Either way, that's pretty much your own fault.
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On December 14 2009 03:05 dshsdhk wrote:
i didnt create the acc, it is a friend acc, which was shared between 2 players, i just played a couple of games on that to warm up.
you know who the REAL victims here are?
[19:10:35] Goody
[19:10:40] and RoX.Alf
[19:10:43] both had like
[19:10:45] 9500 points
[19:10:48] but cutoff was 9700
[19:10:51] so they mass gamed
[19:10:52] lost
[19:10:53] raged
[19:10:55] cleared stats
[19:10:57] so sad 
[19:11:00] both good manner players
[19:11:04] fucking abusers.
I fully agree. They didnt abuse, they fought their way to their stats. Fuck you and your abusing.
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wow... honestly, this tsl lookin a bit like a bust, all tops players get dq T.T really sad to hear
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On December 14 2009 02:56 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 02:51 Asjo wrote:On December 14 2009 00:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:On December 14 2009 00:34 bEsT[Alive] wrote:
Ken, think about the other variables in play. For instance SC2. Stop pretending like you know things with a false sense of superiority. TL will be the biggest SC2 site and TSL's are going to keep rocking on until we are on your TV screen. Consider this a warning please improve your posting to the point where it doesn't annoy 90% of the people reading. Now, you comment is probably based on a context that I do not know about. However, since you say that 90% of people would be annoying by his posts, in referring to the quoted ones, I feel I have to chip in. I don't think what he's saying is annoying. I'm sure it will make sense to other people. When Teamliquid presented TSL2 as the last big Starcraft:Brood Wars tournament, I did also get the sense that it would be the last TSL tournament. Maybe it's not something that I considered very carefully, but this is the feeling I got. The release of Starcraft 2 and thereby perhaps the end of Starcraft:Brood Wars seems very final. It's not impossible to imagine the following scenarios: - Starcraft 2 is popular, but Starcraft:Brood Wars dies. The main people behind Teamliquid find themselves struggling to find motivation to run the site anymore and cannot identify with the new Starcraft 2 scene.
- Neither Starcraft 2 nor Starcraft:Brood Wars are popular enough to sustain a worthwhile scene, and therefore there will not be any more big Starcraft tournaments. Half of the people have joined the new game, while half refuse it. With its population halfed and no new people joining, the Starcraft:Brood Wars scene runs out of gas. The Starcraft 2 scene is not sustained for long enough to prosper as the gameplay does not catch on.
- Starcraft 2 is immensely popular, and the scene flourishes. The Teamliquid website is not able to retain its large crowd because other sites a poppiing up and are more willing to cover the foreign scene, where suddenly there is something to cover. Teamliquid never again has enough popularity to get sponsorship for another TSL tournament.
- Starcraft 2 does not win any popularity, but Starcraft:Brood Wars remains popular. Teamliquid has changed to Starcraft 2 coverage, but there isn't the basis for any major tournaments.
I think he means we're going to run a TSL for StarCraft 2.
What I am relating to is bEsT saying that there will likely not be any future TSL tournaments and Nazgul reacting to this, saying there will be - that Teamliquid will keep up with Starcraft 2. I'm am then responding to Nazgul, saying that it is not unlikely that Teamliquid will not end up doing a TSL for Starcraft 2, due to, for instance, one of the scenarios I mentioned.
Am I misunderstand you or did you think I am trying to explain why there would not be any future TSL tournaments for Starcraft:Brood War? Because I do get that Teamliquid is not intending to have any of those, as you guys are planning to go on board with Starcraft 2.
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Austin10833 Posts
On December 14 2009 03:14 mysticism wrote:
wow... honestly, this tsl lookin a bit like a bust, all tops players get dq T.T really sad to hear
lol? are u serious? RiboRibo, Scan, Mercery, Vasilisk omg cream of the crop is gone.
Most of the top players are right where they should be.
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USA29055 Posts
it does suck for alf and goody but there was literally NO point in resetting and the only thing that made them do that was their own lack of self control / immaturity. I'm fine with them learning a hard lesson. If SCBW can teach them that they shouldn't quit something before it is over then this was a victory.
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Canada1957 Posts
On December 14 2009 01:31 Machine[USA] wrote:
yea great job admins and r1ch for really looking all this up. Really sad to see Dimaga do this tho, wouldent have expected it from him T_T
Ugh............Machine? Have you forgotten about me? Your loyal supporter. T_T
Drama is juicy, but this much drama is just sad =( So many good players gone. I sort of expected it from Scan though.
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Im not saying that im a victim, obvious i did shit, what we did was wrong, i didnt think on the consequences, i did this cause i got mad being dodged non-stop when i really wanted to get in top 13~24, i didnt say that i was a GOD and because of that they dodged me, what can i do if i got a good win %?? i hope that people undestand the situation, and improve the rules for those that can have the same problem in the future, i wish i played only offraces getting a poor stats so i would be qualifed.
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On December 14 2009 03:19 dshsdhk wrote:
Im not saying that im a victim, obvious i did shit, what we did was wrong, i didnt think on the consequences, i did this cause i got mad being dodged non-stop when i really wanted to get in top 13~24, i didnt say that i was a GOD and because of that they dodged me, what can i do if i got a good win %?? i hope that people undestand the situation, and improve the rules for those that can have the same problem in the future, i wish i played only offraces getting a poor stats so i would be qualifed.
yeah sux that tsl rules make u create a fake japanese account, ladder it up 2 B+ rank, get ur friend to play on account, play vs you, and hide games from tsl admins
stupid rules
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United States44203 Posts
On December 13 2009 21:16 MorroW[MB] wrote:
holy fuck balls
dimaga??????????+
Yeah, I know.
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Calgary26003 Posts
I wish you brought up these issues while they were happening.
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On December 14 2009 03:19 dshsdhk wrote:
Im not saying that im a victim, obvious i did shit, what we did was wrong, i didnt think on the consequences, i did this cause i got mad being dodged non-stop when i really wanted to get in top 13~24, i didnt say that i was a GOD and because of that they dodged me, what can i do if i got a good win %?? i hope that people undestand the situation, and improve the rules for those that can have the same problem in the future, i wish i played only offraces getting a poor stats so i would be qualifed.
ReasoN,
What we understand is that many other players managed to get into their positions, and were doubtless more famous and more dangerous than you. I'm sorry for you, but a little humility would be nice right now. Accept the decision, and accept that there really isn't a ton of evidence that these rules were broken.
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On December 14 2009 03:06 Asjo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 02:32 Julmust wrote:
if you're so good then play koreans? they dont know who you are... There is not really any point to what you are saying. He already stated the reason why he didn't want to play Koreans. He said that it was unfair that he had to play Koreans just because he was being dodged. For him, and all the other players playing, it's about how much time you spend on qualifying. You have an old game with a very small scene, where it's possible for a lot of retired of semi-retired gamers to still compete when the competition allows them. They most likely quit because Starcraft was not big enough or important enough for them to keep prioritizing it over other things. But with tournaments such as TSL or WCG, they can suddenly justify using more of their time on Starcraft than what would be ideal, especially if they still love the game very much. That means that you have very limited time to play, and you do not want to play more than necessary. Because people are dodging you on the ladder, you need to use more time than you have to be able to compete and qualify. So, just play Koreans? The think is that if you would have a lower winrate against Koreans, who are better competition, it would take you more time to qualify, which puts you in the same situation. You are good enough, but you are forced you use an excessive amount of time. Also, I really have no idea whether Koreans are online all hours of the day (it's maybe ten years ago that I played Starcraft), but, if not, people in some time zones will not have any easier time of finding Korean opponents. So, it's definately a way of making sure that only the most devoted players are able to qualify for the tournament, but personally I am missing out on some players I really wanted to see. One time that this does deal with, though, is that fact that many people are prone to abuse when it's easy to do, which is a horrible mentality. It's so sad when you see a lot. People never really take online tournaments seriously in this sense, and I definately feel that the ones who are abusing are disrespecting Teamliquid and in a sense also the competition. Still, it can in no way be compared to hacking/cheating. Hacking ruins the integrity of the game, meaning no one can trust anyone. This just ruins some of the integrity of the tournament, while it does seem that Teamliquid somehow redeems itself by being so effective in finding the abusers. It's certainly right to ban these people, but the situation is sad. The quality of the tournament, at least before this, was higher than that of the last tournament. And now we probably will not get to see the replay packs of the people who were banned, meaning that, apart from missing out on them i qualifying rounds and playoff, we miss out of a lot of good replays. I do not think that smurfs should be allowed - there should be full visibility for the fans - but I think the problem lies in the mindset of people. So, KwarK, you really should not feel vindicated, this is all your fault 
Exactly, but people wont understand anyway, i give up.
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On December 14 2009 03:19 dshsdhk wrote:
Im not saying that im a victim, obvious i did shit, what we did was wrong, i didnt think on the consequences, i did this cause i got mad being dodged non-stop when i really wanted to get in top 13~24, i didnt say that i was a GOD and because of that they dodged me, what can i do if i got a good win %?? i hope that people undestand the situation, and improve the rules for those that can have the same problem in the future, i wish i played only offraces getting a poor stats so i would be qualifed.
You could just have skipped those "extra" wins and you would have been qualified. Youre trying to make yourself a victim, again.
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Feel sad about the players who played aloth in the end just to try to come to 9600 points and lost and wont even be in now with allt these abusers!
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USA29055 Posts
Look reason: If these other big names can get games I sure as hell think you can. And like I said, you cannot blame the timezone: IKNOW the timezone. We bleed into euro early morning, korean night/morning and american time. We get em all dude. If you were unable/unwilling to stay up late at night or wake up early morning and inconvenience yourself on a minor level to get more games to get HIGHER in the ladder you already qual'd for then do it.
YOu know what you did was wrong. You know the consequences. DON'T point the finger at the community and blame your "high win %" sorry but others have a more recognizable name and a better win % and they got games.. that obviously isn't perfect science but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that what you did and the reasons you did it for don't match up. Spending ANY TIME on "what TSL could do better" is a joke.
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On December 14 2009 03:17 BroOd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 03:14 mysticism wrote:
wow... honestly, this tsl lookin a bit like a bust, all tops players get dq T.T really sad to hear lol? are u serious? RiboRibo, Scan, Mercery, Vasilisk omg cream of the crop is gone. Most of the top players are right where they should be.
f91 dimaga reason, some very good players and it was been what.. less than a day at identifying abuser? there will prob be more to get dq.
and as inc said below other players reset out of rage and cant be brought back in
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On December 14 2009 03:27 mysticism wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 03:17 BroOd wrote:On December 14 2009 03:14 mysticism wrote:
wow... honestly, this tsl lookin a bit like a bust, all tops players get dq T.T really sad to hear lol? are u serious? RiboRibo, Scan, Mercery, Vasilisk omg cream of the crop is gone. Most of the top players are right where they should be. f91 dimaga reason, some very good players and it was been what.. less than a day at identifying abuser? there will prob be more to get dq. and as inc said below other players reset out of rage and cant be brought back in
"all top players get dq" was what you said, which is really stupid.
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On December 14 2009 03:30 BroOd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2009 03:27 mysticism wrote:On December 14 2009 03:17 BroOd wrote:On December 14 2009 03:14 mysticism wrote:
wow... honestly, this tsl lookin a bit like a bust, all tops players get dq T.T really sad to hear lol? are u serious? RiboRibo, Scan, Mercery, Vasilisk omg cream of the crop is gone. Most of the top players are right where they should be. f91 dimaga reason, some very good players and it was been what.. less than a day at identifying abuser? there will prob be more to get dq. and as inc said below other players reset out of rage and cant be brought back in "all top players get dq" was what you said, which is really stupid.
sorry mr fucking nit picker... next time i will be more clear at the point/msg that i am trying to get out so that i dont offend u
**dont forget yosh and advokate
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On December 14 2009 02:48 dshsdhk wrote:
Ye sure, the admins would let me create a smurf acc with a brasilian flag and no one would know who i was? wake up plz... and btw koreans know who i was, since when i was active i used to play on west and i was the one the fews that joined top clans like SaSin, [saM] and used to play cw´s for them and had friendship with some progamers , ve beaten silent_control at wcg 2005 in a televisioned game, so im sure some of them remember me from past.
Seriously? You think that all koreans know you and want to dodge you? Even if you're on a smurf. I guess it takes delusions like that to manage the logic "I'm so good I deserve a place, I can't get a place by merit, therefore I'll take it by cheating because I'm so good".
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