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(next time try cars)The Automated Ban List - Page 285
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This thread is for discussing recent bans. Don't discuss other topics here. Take it to website feedback if you disagree with a ban or want to raise an issue. Keep it civil. NOTE: For those of you who want to find the actual ABL thread where the bans are posted. Please look in here: https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/ | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On March 23 2011 20:50 kazansky wrote: It's 10 million registered firearms hence to german police. As you have to register your gun at the army aswell, I guess this is including military, police, security companies, and hunters weapons, so what would be predominantly non-private usage. But this is only an educated guess. But a main difference is, automatic rifles are war machines in germany and therefore not available for sale by any means. I myself live in Bavaria too, I know a lot of people that go to shooting clubs, but that is mostly ancient rifles or sports weapons. They don't include military or police arms, it's the number in private use. According to this article there are 3.6 mio gun owners in Germany, so it's very unlikely you never ever met one. http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/0,1518,450175,00.html As I said most Germans should need a reality check before they continue bashing other countries over gun ownership. | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
On March 23 2011 21:04 zatic wrote: They don't include military or police arms, it's the number in private use. According to this article there are 3.6 mio gun owners in Germany, so it's very unlikely you never ever met one. http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/0,1518,450175,00.html As I said most Germans should need a reality check before they continue bashing other countries over gun ownership. Well, alright, that was exaggerated. Of course I don't ask everyone I meet if he's a gun owner, so I don't know if some random dude in one of my classes or one of our professors possesses a gun. But I most certainly know that nobody in my family whom I met more than once in my life owns a gun, nobody of my friends owns one, and on top of that, I'm pretty sure (although I can't confirm my guesses of course) that nobody whom I meet on a regular basis (let's say more than once a month) owns a gun. 3.6 million gun owners still is a lot though. I don't have the competency to really question the accuracy of that number, but I guess I live in a pretty weapon-free zone then (Oberfranken by the way). The numbers in that article make more sense too: 2 million owners of guns due to different kinds of shooting sports, 900,000 people who either inherited them or haven't used them in decades, 400,000 hunters and only 300,000 collectors. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
On March 23 2011 21:04 zatic wrote: They don't include military or police arms, it's the number in private use. According to this article there are 3.6 mio gun owners in Germany, so it's very unlikely you never ever met one. http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/0,1518,450175,00.html As I said most Germans should need a reality check before they continue bashing other countries over gun ownership.  And it is usually not done in public, what explains the surprise of some of our countrymen. I didnt know for sure about police and military arms, I never found a source stating explicit it is only private use, so my fault there. Nevertheless, it's true, people should check numbers and their environment before stating these things. @heishe: Oberfranken is too busy with the good old Bratwurst and Bier to shooting at stuff | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On March 23 2011 21:24 heishe wrote: The numbers in that article make more sense too: 2 million owners of guns due to different kinds of shooting sports, 900,000 people who either inherited them or haven't used them in decades, 400,000 hunters and only 300,000 collectors. That is deceiving as it suggests only collectors own several guns. You can own as many guns as you want (some restrictions apply) as a hunter or sports shooter as well, and many do. Collectors refers to the people who collect vintage guns for example. @kazancy I didn't say that I said there is one gun for every 4 house holds in Germany. Not that every 4th household has a gun much less every 4th person. | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On March 23 2011 15:18 Hyperbole wrote: Wow combat-ex is still trying? why does he want to post on TL that much, he will most likely just BM people/whine, he knows its not gonna work right? It's not that combat. It's some wannabe bronze league troll. | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On March 23 2011 18:59 kazansky wrote: The cultural difference on this is really enourmous, and (no Country Bashing here intended) the bans came by tubby, who is american, and therefore has a completely different cultural background. Since I believe the rest of your concerns were already addressed appropriately, I'll just chime in on the part where you call me out on it -> Yes, I am a proud American but one who does NOT own a gun nor have ANY desire to. I whole heartedly believe any mod on this forum would have been issuing out bans for the stupid posting, regardless of where they are from. Read that thread please. There are people who civily question why people would want to own guns in a polite and respectful way. Then, there are those who aggressively accuse and make assumptions in a thread not even meant for the discussion (it's a goddamned hobby thread). Guess which one of the two are banned and which ones weren't? It kills me that anyone thinks the bans were because of their stance on gun control. Couldn't be farther from the truth. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On March 24 2011 01:05 EvilTeletubby wrote: Since I believe the rest of your concerns were already addressed appropriately, I'll just chime in on the part where you call me out on it -> Yes, I am a proud American but one who does NOT own a gun nor have ANY desire to. I whole heartedly believe any mod on this forum would have been issuing out bans for the stupid posting, regardless of where they are from. Read that thread please. There are people who civily question why people would want to own guns in a polite and respectful way. Then, there are those who aggressively accuse and make assumptions in a thread not even meant for the discussion (it's a goddamned hobby thread). Guess which one of the two are banned and which ones weren't? It kills me that anyone thinks the bans were because of their stance on gun control. Couldn't be farther from the truth. I can't believe this gem slipped through without a warning or temp-ban: On March 23 2011 21:06 fubusama wrote: Can I ask why people have a desire to own guns? Do you really want to kill people? Is the USA really so violent that you need one?? It got a normal response even. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
On March 24 2011 01:05 EvilTeletubby wrote: Since I believe the rest of your concerns were already addressed appropriately, I'll just chime in on the part where you call me out on it -> Yes, I am a proud American but one who does NOT own a gun nor have ANY desire to. I whole heartedly believe any mod on this forum would have been issuing out bans for the stupid posting, regardless of where they are from. Read that thread please. There are people who civily question why people would want to own guns in a polite and respectful way. Then, there are those who aggressively accuse and make assumptions in a thread not even meant for the discussion (it's a goddamned hobby thread). Guess which one of the two are banned and which ones weren't? It kills me that anyone thinks the bans were because of their stance on gun control. Couldn't be farther from the truth. I never thought the bans have anything to do with stance on gun control itself, neither think that the reason you banned those and others has anything to do with you being american. I am sorry if it seemed to look that way. The bans that were handed out, I totally agree on. I was just a bit surprised by the length of especially the second ban, and supposed it was because you are american and therefore are used to a milder response to somebody posting 10 firearms he all owns, but it turned out that I was wrong there and on a closer look, well, they called in for such a response themselves. And I read the thread in total, the reason why I posted in there myself is that I was convinced of an apparent difference between politely questioning a hobby and needless aggressive accuses. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
It is just not as big a deal here nor spoken about as openly as in the US, or quite as easy obtaining one but unless you got a record and some patience it is not exactly hard either. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:03 JWD wrote: No Hawk that must be Derail 102. Derail 101 is being held in this thread right now What would the balance/caster discussions on the LR threads be, then? 103? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32130 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:03 JWD wrote: No Hawk that must be Derail 102. Derail 101 is being held in this thread right now Touche sirs. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
Glad to see stuff like khoan86 did is banworthy now too. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Why kn83 got warned ? | ||
2Pacalypse-
Croatia9530 Posts
On March 24 2011 03:16 Boblion wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=170344¤tpage=5 Why kn83 got warned ? Obviously for misspelling SC:BW. | ||
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BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
I would put money on thread necro. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9530 Posts
How much? Try misspelling BW and see what happens. | ||
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