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On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays.
Am I allowed to ask for a link to this thread if it's still up?
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On July 24 2013 20:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. Am I allowed to ask for a link to this thread if it's still up?
Gotcha covered. Link. Even though it's dumb out the wazoo, it applies to the ban.
On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays.
That's true, but it's still surprising for some. People wouldn't expect to get banned from YouTube for something they say on Facebook. I know, not TL, different standards and all, and I agree with you and KwarK, but mild outrage should be expected.
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On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays.
I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right.
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On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right.
I think in general some haven't even forgot, they just refuse to acknowledge it and/or comply with it.
There was a fiction story that Shady Sands wrote about a year ago. Only staff that are given rights to see the story are allowed to see it now. Anyone that tries to look at it through a link on TL sees 'Not enough rights.' now. Reason being that it could inspire... unsatisfactory behavior.
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On July 25 2013 00:04 3FFA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. I think in general some haven't even forgot, they just refuse to acknowledge it and/or comply with it. There was a fiction story that Shady Sands wrote about a year ago. Only staff that are given rights to see the story are allowed to see it now. Anyone that tries to look at it through a link on TL sees 'Not enough rights.' now. Reason being that it could inspire... unsatisfactory behavior.
HAHAHAHA. His first blog IIRC, right??? I didn't know that one was staff-rights only.
On what you guys are talking about, I will say this. It is a bad policy to let outside actions permit users to use something unrelated to those actions. I remember DJwheat making a tweet that was pretty outrageous after the Trayvonn Martin trial, but he isn't banned for it here. I'll admit that what this guy did was way over the line, but I don't want this to become overzealous mods trying to stalk users across the internet.
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On July 25 2013 00:19 docvoc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:04 3FFA wrote:On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. I think in general some haven't even forgot, they just refuse to acknowledge it and/or comply with it. There was a fiction story that Shady Sands wrote about a year ago. Only staff that are given rights to see the story are allowed to see it now. Anyone that tries to look at it through a link on TL sees 'Not enough rights.' now. Reason being that it could inspire... unsatisfactory behavior. HAHAHAHA. His first blog IIRC, right??? I didn't know that one was staff-rights only. On what you guys are talking about, I will say this. It is a bad policy to let outside actions permit users to use something unrelated to those actions. I remember DJwheat making a tweet that was pretty outrageous after the Trayvonn Martin trial, but he isn't banned for it here. I'll admit that what this guy did was way over the line, but I don't want this to become overzealous mods trying to stalk users across the internet.
You can't just say "it's a bad policy". Because there's nothing to back it up.
If you owned a house and you knew the guy on the other side of the street beat his wife up, would you invite him over for a football night? Or would you never let him in your house? Or if you found out a 'friend' regularly beat his wife up, that wouldn't affect your friendship because it's nothing to do with you?
No-one is even remotely suggesting overzealous mods stalking users across the internet. That's just saying something outlandish for the sake of it.
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On July 25 2013 00:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 00:19 docvoc wrote:On July 25 2013 00:04 3FFA wrote:On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. I think in general some haven't even forgot, they just refuse to acknowledge it and/or comply with it. There was a fiction story that Shady Sands wrote about a year ago. Only staff that are given rights to see the story are allowed to see it now. Anyone that tries to look at it through a link on TL sees 'Not enough rights.' now. Reason being that it could inspire... unsatisfactory behavior. HAHAHAHA. His first blog IIRC, right??? I didn't know that one was staff-rights only. On what you guys are talking about, I will say this. It is a bad policy to let outside actions permit users to use something unrelated to those actions. I remember DJwheat making a tweet that was pretty outrageous after the Trayvonn Martin trial, but he isn't banned for it here. I'll admit that what this guy did was way over the line, but I don't want this to become overzealous mods trying to stalk users across the internet. You can't just say "it's a bad policy". Because there's nothing to back it up. If you owned a house and you knew the guy on the other side of the street beat his wife up, would you invite him over for a football night? Or would you never let him in your house? Or if you found out a 'friend' regularly beat his wife up, that wouldn't affect your friendship because it's nothing to do with you? No-one is even remotely suggesting overzealous mods stalking users across the internet. That's just saying something outlandish for the sake of it.
Beat the man up, take over his home and make his children call you daddy.
Then invite him to a football night.
Ontopic:
When in doubt, read the 10 commandments.
There's a reason why they are there, most long-term users probably posted in that thread once and accepted them, if you really read them then you should have understood back then already that TL is a huge building with room for everyone and clubs for pretty much everything nerdy you can think of, but the security can still throw you out of the window whenever they want if they deem you unwanted.
In the end results matter and in my opinion the TL moderation works, not saying it was or is always perfect, I got banned unjustly myself once, complained about it and Nazgul ended up agreeing with me, sure I was still silenced for a while and all I got was a modnote on my profile that said that he didn't think I deserved the ban since the banduration was already over, but if that's all then I'm completely fine with that amount of collateral damage if the rest of the moderating stays the way it is.
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On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right.
actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members.
On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays.
the problem is with the enforcement. this has already been abused once, and then overturned by an admin.
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On July 24 2013 22:04 cLAN.Anax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. Am I allowed to ask for a link to this thread if it's still up? Gotcha covered. Link. Even though it's dumb out the wazoo, it applies to the ban.
Sorry, meant the dude who was bragging about the rape*
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On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members.
Would it, though? I mean, the TSL4 chat was relatively clean because you had to pay $10 to use it over the course of the tournament, but there was nothing saying that you can't get banned from the chat for excessive BM, the $10 is just a deterrent.
Same here, I think although mods would err more on the side of caution, being a member, even a paying member, is still a privilege.
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On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. the problem is with the enforcement. this has already been abused once, and then overturned by an admin.
Does the TL+ really give you a right to stay here?
After all it's save to assume that they knew TL and therefore their moderating before they bought it.
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On July 25 2013 02:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members. Would it, though? I mean, the TSL4 chat was relatively clean because you had to pay $10 to use it over the course of the tournament, but there was nothing saying that you can't get banned from the chat for excessive BM, the $10 is just a deterrent. Same here, I think although mods would err more on the side of caution, being a member, even a paying member, is still a privilege.
we would need to be on the same page if we want to have this discussion. by purchasing the tl+, you now have a vested right to use the site (similar to a license). if that right is taken away based on some arbitrary rule then you would have a legitimate gripe against the site. however, the tl+ specifically says the same moderation rules apply. they would just need to apply the same uniform rules. banning people for conduct outside of tl.net is not a rule, nor has it ever been as far as i know. it is also not even an informal policy (other than hackers).
for those of you who dont have tl+, accessing tl.net is a privilege, not a right. you havent paid for a license, you have no legitimate claim to use the website.
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On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members. Show nested quote +On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. the problem is with the enforcement. this has already been abused once, and then overturned by an admin.
Not the case actually. Tl+ membership entitles you to read the tl+ forums, report other users, PM multiple people at once and a few other things. Nowhere in there is the right to post sold. A banned account can still read the forums and I believe still report people. Tl+ members have not bought the right to post with their membership and can be banned just as freely as anyone else.
Furthermore there isn't a rule saying you can be banned for something outside of tl because there doesn't need to be one because you don't have to break a specific rule to have your posting rights revoked. The moderation team are entrusted with using their judgement as they see fit to keep this community the way they feel it should be. Rules are a useful way of communicating what that vision is but certainly do not bind the moderation team. This isn't a court and you don't have rights, we don't need to prove that you've broken the tl contract because there is no tl contract, you do not own tl nor have any rights to it.
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On July 25 2013 02:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members. On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. the problem is with the enforcement. this has already been abused once, and then overturned by an admin. Not the case actually. Tl+ membership entitles you to read the tl+ forums, report other users, PM multiple people at once and a few other things. Nowhere in there is the right to post sold. A banned account can still read the forums and I believe still report people. Tl+ members have not bought the right to post with their membership and can be banned just as freely as anyone else.
fairly sure when I was banned I couldn't report people.
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Hmm.. might wanna website feedback that then.
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On July 25 2013 02:12 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:09 KwarK wrote:On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members. On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. the problem is with the enforcement. this has already been abused once, and then overturned by an admin. Not the case actually. Tl+ membership entitles you to read the tl+ forums, report other users, PM multiple people at once and a few other things. Nowhere in there is the right to post sold. A banned account can still read the forums and I believe still report people. Tl+ members have not bought the right to post with their membership and can be banned just as freely as anyone else. fairly sure when I was banned I couldn't report people.
I certainly hope not. Some some of the pm's I have had after I banned them, I suspect they would go on a Report Rampage in retaliation.
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On July 25 2013 02:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members. On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. the problem is with the enforcement. this has already been abused once, and then overturned by an admin. Not the case actually. Tl+ membership entitles you to read the tl+ forums, report other users, PM multiple people at once and a few other things. Nowhere in there is the right to post sold. A banned account can still read the forums and I believe still report people. Tl+ members have not bought the right to post with their membership and can be banned just as freely as anyone else. Furthermore there isn't a rule saying you can be banned for something outside of tl because there doesn't need to be one because you don't have to break a specific rule to have your posting rights revoked. The moderation team are entrusted with using their judgement as they see fit to keep this community the way they feel it should be. Rules are a useful way of communicating what that vision is but certainly do not bind the moderation team. This isn't a court and you don't have rights, we don't need to prove that you've broken the tl contract because there is no tl contract, you do not own tl nor have any rights to it.
i hope you're not legal counsel to tl.net. you don't get to do whatever you want once you start offering paid memberships. the argument that you can revoke their posting privileges because its not part of tl+ is lame, and i would love to see someone argue that in a court of law. the tl+ benefits are in addition to what people already have. you cant say "i'll let you keep the 'filter' button but i am going to prevent you from posting or looking at our website other than what is specifically laid out in the tl+ post."
some of us are customers now, and are entitled to additional rights beyond that which normal users are entitled. if tl.net wants to join the real world of commercialization, it should learn the rules.
edit: i shouldnt say tl.net, because this is not tl.net speaking, its just you.
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On July 25 2013 02:22 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:09 KwarK wrote:On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members. On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. the problem is with the enforcement. this has already been abused once, and then overturned by an admin. Not the case actually. Tl+ membership entitles you to read the tl+ forums, report other users, PM multiple people at once and a few other things. Nowhere in there is the right to post sold. A banned account can still read the forums and I believe still report people. Tl+ members have not bought the right to post with their membership and can be banned just as freely as anyone else. Furthermore there isn't a rule saying you can be banned for something outside of tl because there doesn't need to be one because you don't have to break a specific rule to have your posting rights revoked. The moderation team are entrusted with using their judgement as they see fit to keep this community the way they feel it should be. Rules are a useful way of communicating what that vision is but certainly do not bind the moderation team. This isn't a court and you don't have rights, we don't need to prove that you've broken the tl contract because there is no tl contract, you do not own tl nor have any rights to it. i hope you're not legal counsel to tl.net. you don't get to do whatever you want once you start offering paid memberships. the argument that you can revoke their posting privileges because its not part of tl+ is lame, and i would love to see someone argue that in a court of law. the tl+ benefits are in addition to what people already have. you cant say "i'll let you keep the 'filter' button but i am going to prevent you from posting or looking at our website other than what is specifically laid out in the tl+ post." some of us are customers now, and are entitled to additional rights beyond that which normal users are entitled. if tl.net wants to join the real world of commercialization, it should learn the rules. edit: i shouldnt say tl.net, because this is not tl.net speaking, its just you.
How do people get banned in World of Warcraft?
PS: http://www.teamliquid.net/tou/
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On July 25 2013 02:22 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:09 KwarK wrote:On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members. On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. the problem is with the enforcement. this has already been abused once, and then overturned by an admin. Not the case actually. Tl+ membership entitles you to read the tl+ forums, report other users, PM multiple people at once and a few other things. Nowhere in there is the right to post sold. A banned account can still read the forums and I believe still report people. Tl+ members have not bought the right to post with their membership and can be banned just as freely as anyone else. Furthermore there isn't a rule saying you can be banned for something outside of tl because there doesn't need to be one because you don't have to break a specific rule to have your posting rights revoked. The moderation team are entrusted with using their judgement as they see fit to keep this community the way they feel it should be. Rules are a useful way of communicating what that vision is but certainly do not bind the moderation team. This isn't a court and you don't have rights, we don't need to prove that you've broken the tl contract because there is no tl contract, you do not own tl nor have any rights to it. i hope you're not legal counsel to tl.net. you don't get to do whatever you want once you start offering paid memberships. the argument that you can revoke their posting privileges because its not part of tl+ is lame, and i would love to see someone argue that in a court of law. the tl+ benefits are in addition to what people already have. you cant say "i'll let you keep the 'filter' button but i am going to prevent you from posting or looking at our website other than what is specifically laid out in the tl+ post." some of us are customers now, and are entitled to additional rights beyond that which normal users are entitled. if tl.net wants to join the real world of commercialization, it should learn the rules. edit: i shouldnt say tl.net, because this is not tl.net speaking, its just you.
His point is that they never agreed to give you any rights, with or without money, nor did they force you anywhere to pay. In fact they tell you up front that you can still be banned like regular users.
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On July 25 2013 02:22 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:09 KwarK wrote:On July 25 2013 01:52 dAPhREAk wrote:On July 24 2013 23:37 MasterOfPuppets wrote:On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. I think in general people tend to forget that while the forum is public and open for registration, being a member is still a privilege and not a right. actually, its a right now for those carrying tl+. they commercialized it and the same arbitrary rules cant apply to paying members. On July 24 2013 20:17 marvellosity wrote:On July 24 2013 08:15 KwarK wrote:
If you show that you're not the kind of person we'd like to have here at tl then I see absolutely no reason why we'd keep you here just because you didn't do it on tl itself. We either want you here or you don't, there's no "don't want you but technically we can't do anything". A few years ago there was a guy recounting how he raped a girl on tl, the fact that the rape happened in real life didn't make him any less distasteful or make me want him on the website more. I agree with this, I'm surprised others don't. This is TL's house after all, they choose who enters and stays. the problem is with the enforcement. this has already been abused once, and then overturned by an admin. Not the case actually. Tl+ membership entitles you to read the tl+ forums, report other users, PM multiple people at once and a few other things. Nowhere in there is the right to post sold. A banned account can still read the forums and I believe still report people. Tl+ members have not bought the right to post with their membership and can be banned just as freely as anyone else. Furthermore there isn't a rule saying you can be banned for something outside of tl because there doesn't need to be one because you don't have to break a specific rule to have your posting rights revoked. The moderation team are entrusted with using their judgement as they see fit to keep this community the way they feel it should be. Rules are a useful way of communicating what that vision is but certainly do not bind the moderation team. This isn't a court and you don't have rights, we don't need to prove that you've broken the tl contract because there is no tl contract, you do not own tl nor have any rights to it. i hope you're not legal counsel to tl.net. you don't get to do whatever you want once you start offering paid memberships. the argument that you can revoke their posting privileges because its not part of tl+ is lame, and i would love to see someone argue that in a court of law. the tl+ benefits are in addition to what people already have. you cant say "i'll let you keep the 'filter' button but i am going to prevent you from posting or looking at our website other than what is specifically laid out in the tl+ post." some of us are customers now, and are entitled to additional rights beyond that which normal users are entitled. if tl.net wants to join the real world of commercialization, it should learn the rules. edit: i shouldnt say tl.net, because this is not tl.net speaking, its just you.
I'm not a lawyer but my understanding is that we ban tl+ members just as freely as we ban anyone else because nothing we sold guarantees posting. Fortunately we do have lawyers on tl who aren't me. You could ask them if you want, website feedback for example.
Consider this example though.
You walk into a shop. You then start acting like a dick and the owner of the shop tells you to leave. He has the right to force you to leave because the shop is private property.
You walk into a shop. You buy a hat. You then start acting like a dick and the owner of the shop tells you to leave. He has the right to force you to leave because the shop is private property. You can however keep the hat because that's your hat now.
Viewing the tl+ forum is the hat.
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