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Croatia9517 Posts
On May 12 2014 07:07 Zocat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 06:53 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I don't think teamliquid is large enough to really support two sites like this.
Before LiquidDota, teamliquid was averaging 3-6k users online at once... This number of users makes threads relatively active for discussion pertaining to many topics. If one of these sites is going to be down to 1-2k users, it's just going to feel more and more dead.
I would totally understand the choice if teamliquid had 15k online users at all times and there was just too much stuff happening, but it's not like the threads are that active. New threads don't pop up that frequently, etc. The advantage is growth. For almost every non-TL member if you mention "teamliquid" they think of "Starcraft site". So if you mention TL to a Hearthstone, Dota2, ... player he think of Starcraft and will likely look for something else. If you fragment the site you will have those people thinking "Oh that awesome SC site now has a site specialized in X? That's awesome! I should visit it". This leads to more growth and growth is important. TL is a business which needs & wants to make money. More exposure is more money. With a potential LiquidLoL, LiquidSmash, LiquidStrike (plz CSGO plz!) or other games in the future you would have way too much spam for one site. While existing users can filter it easily, you have to register to do that. Quality of life options behind forced registering are bad (since a lot of users don't register, thus have the bad quality and won't use the site enough to feel that registering is worth it). Basically for existing users this change is bad. We're used to it. Change is always bad, since we lose the option to glance at other eSports we don't really follow . I basically ignore Dota2 for the last 6 months but here and there clicked on a Dota2 article. I won't do this in the future (except that my Dota2 interest is peaked again thanks to TI4).
The problem with filters is not that you have to register to do it. It's that majority of people don't use them.
Otherwise, a very good response.
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Where did they get my post count in LiquidDotA?
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Canada16217 Posts
On May 12 2014 07:18 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Where did they get my post count in LiquidDotA?
from the dota threads ported over.
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Was hoping mod/staff would be able to answer....
How successful would you guys rate the splitting of Hearthstone from teamliquid?
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I like the new site but I feel like this means that I'll finally stop following starcraft completely...
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That new design looks really great, is teamliquid.net going to get it, too?
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Good luck, and rip my interest in dota
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Canada16217 Posts
On May 12 2014 07:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Was hoping mod/staff would be able to answer....
How successful would you guys rate the splitting of Hearthstone from teamliquid?
In my opinion I think it was quite successful.
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Great. TL is a SC site once again.
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Good news for fans like me who aren't interested in Dota, but unfortunate for those who wanted to find both conveniently on the same site.
Good for Liquid to be constantly expanding!
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Pretty dumb decision.
TL used to be a good Stream Aggregator. Now it's not. And that's basically the only thing I use this site for.
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I think this is a really really bad idea... Every community site I've seen that split has gone straight to shit. For example; in Australia, Nissansilvia.com used to be a huge car community... we got over a thousand cars at our annual cruises (which is huge for a city of 1ish million people) and a good interstate contingent. The site then split into car sub-groups and the result? Turned into a ghost town.
People, generally, like cross-exposure of different games... I don't want to go to one site for dota, one site for sc2, one site for whatever; don't mention reddit either it's full of aids.
Also in the OP: The amount of information that we want to display to our users is too great, and the majority of our users come here for a single game and rarely make use of our customisation options.
But how do you measure that? And wouldn't underutilisation of customisation demonstrate that people prefer to see different game news at once?
On May 12 2014 07:07 Zocat wrote:
If you fragment the site you will have those people thinking "Oh that awesome SC site now has a site specialized in X? That's awesome! I should visit it".
I don't think current internet trends support that at all. If I want information about something (like a game or tv show or whatever) I do not want to have to go to trawling through specialist sites; I go to some kind of aggregator. Teamliquid has been one of the most trusted aggregators for popular competitive games for some time now but there's no way I can be bothered opening MORE tabs just to read tidbits of dota news or look for dota threads.
I mean; the dota people miss out on all the other TL stuff and the starcraft fans miss out on all the dota stuff; only the diehard purists win.
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Yeah... now I'm done with sc2 pretty much
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On May 12 2014 07:24 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Pretty dumb decision.
TL used to be a good Stream Aggregator. Now it's not. And that's basically the only thing I use this site for.
Yea you could always find quality streams in one place. Now I see only Merlini on the main TL site but.. Arteezy and bone7 on the Dota2 site.. why aren't they together and I don't like having to go to multiple pages to see which ones are online. And if they are all on the dota site I would again have to open more pages to find if any SC2 streams are worth watching etc.
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New site is swag overload, can't stay on it for too long or the drool will soak my shirt. It looks damn nice. A bit skeptical about splitting up, time will show if it works out or not I guess!
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Try to be a multi-gaming team, split all games up into different websites, nope nope nope nope.
Only reason I still watched SC2 streams was for all the hate the game got on the forum. Now that DotA2 has its own website, dunno if I'll keep visiting TL now. :/
Pretty stupid decision imo.
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Also a bit upset they wouldn't even ask the members of the site... Members, the people who make the community possible about what they thought of the change before implementing it. Just not cool 
Poll: Your support for this change?Strongly Disagree (244) 64% Strongly Agree (53) 14% Disagree (52) 14% Neutral/Don't care (21) 5% Agree (13) 3% 383 total votes Your vote: Your support for this change? (Vote): Strongly Agree
(Vote): Agree
(Vote): Neutral/Don't care
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(Vote): Strongly Disagree
Just doing this to the members who have stuck it out for a while when it can be seen from this thread that there are many against it.
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I kinda feel like I'm being thrown out. I mean I guess the right sidebar looks cool and all.
But...
As long as all the non-esports forums are still here and the liquiddota forums are separate I will absolutely hate this change and I can't see how this can be good for anybody who previously visited teamliquid and who used more than only the esports specific forums. I guess if you only visited the Dota2 forums you'll love it.
I know it's easy to say right after launch, but liquiddota looks incredibly empty. There are four(!) Dota forums and all the rest just stayed here.
I guess there are good reasons, though I don't see them explained anywhere (I'd love a more detailed explanation why this was necessary btw with all the pros and cons). At the moment I just feel disappointed.
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