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Dantak
Profile Joined January 2006
Czech Republic648 Posts
May 11 2014 22:33 GMT
#141
Time to put TL.net out from bookmarks tab... after like 8 years :-). But yeah, finally dedicated space :-)
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Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
May 11 2014 22:33 GMT
#142
how long since liquidstarcraft ?
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 11 2014 22:35 GMT
#143
While I don't care whatsoever about Dota, I still liked glancing at the occasional article about it, to stay informed and because some of them are well written. I'd imagine some Dota fans might feel the same about the SC content. This, along with the general community content being split makes me really question this change. A splintered community does no profit for either the Dota nor the SC2 folks
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-11 22:41:10
May 11 2014 22:37 GMT
#144
I mean it's hard to say if teamliquid has been making good decisions recently, as their viewership has dropped to around 50% of what it was a year ago (going off of "active", as well as the activity I've been seeing). The real question is whether this will continue that streak or change it. This can be a really big nail in the coffin for teamliquid if it doesn't work out.
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Oddball28
Profile Joined May 2013
Denmark2121 Posts
May 11 2014 22:38 GMT
#145
Very cool, hope to see you guys in the match report threads!
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19300 Posts
May 11 2014 22:40 GMT
#146
Long live team liquid!
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Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
May 11 2014 22:41 GMT
#147
It seems neat in concept, but ultimately I feel like I am less likely to visit liquiddota simply because I want to go to ONE location for esports information, Not have to jump to a family of different websites to get specialized information. I already don't visit liquidhearth and I still catch up on the hearthstone scene. To me, liquiddota is going to be much of the same.
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
May 11 2014 22:41 GMT
#148
Uh... yeah... I was usually just randomly browsing TL, sometimes for dota, sometimes for SC2, sometimes for the offtopic and general discussion... Whatever jumped my eye from the sidebar, and this happened frequently, TL was my gotowebsite, when bored. Also TL often had a lot of non SC2/dota information, about other games, and what else happens in the world...I even looked into Smashstuff, even though I would have never done that without TL... But with the split? Splitting the user base is pretty terrible, each site has less appeal, then the unified site had before, and actually I don't see why it was necessary, as there was no bad blood or anything similar between the 2 communities, that shared a large group of users....
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
May 11 2014 22:42 GMT
#149
On May 12 2014 07:31 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Also a bit upset they wouldn't even ask the members of the site... Members, the people who make the community possible about what they thought of the change before implementing it. Just not cool

Poll: Your support for this change?

Strongly Disagree (244)
 
64%

Strongly Agree (53)
 
14%

Disagree (52)
 
14%

Neutral/Don't care (21)
 
5%

Agree (13)
 
3%

383 total votes

Your vote: Your support for this change?

(Vote): Strongly Agree
(Vote): Agree
(Vote): Neutral/Don't care
(Vote): Disagree
(Vote): Strongly Disagree



Just doing this to the members who have stuck it out for a while when it can be seen from this thread that there are many against it.

I want to test it out first. So far I kinda like the layout tho.
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FlyingSteaks
Profile Joined April 2012
Brazil433 Posts
May 11 2014 22:42 GMT
#150
Eh, was this necessary? I liked seeing sc2 and dota in just one place, but I guess not many people did that
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
May 11 2014 22:43 GMT
#151
On May 12 2014 07:25 magicmUnky wrote:
I think this is a really really bad idea... Every community site I've seen that split has gone straight to shit. For example; in Australia, Nissansilvia.com used to be a huge car community... we got over a thousand cars at our annual cruises (which is huge for a city of 1ish million people) and a good interstate contingent. The site then split into car sub-groups and the result? Turned into a ghost town.

People, generally, like cross-exposure of different games... I don't want to go to one site for dota, one site for sc2, one site for whatever; don't mention reddit either it's full of aids.

Also in the OP:
Show nested quote +
The amount of information that we want to display to our users is too great, and the majority of our users come here for a single game and rarely make use of our customisation options.

But how do you measure that? And wouldn't underutilisation of customisation demonstrate that people prefer to see different game news at once?

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On May 12 2014 07:07 Zocat wrote:
If you fragment the site you will have those people thinking "Oh that awesome SC site now has a site specialized in X? That's awesome! I should visit it".


I don't think current internet trends support that at all. If I want information about something (like a game or tv show or whatever) I do not want to have to go to trawling through specialist sites; I go to some kind of aggregator. Teamliquid has been one of the most trusted aggregators for popular competitive games for some time now but there's no way I can be bothered opening MORE tabs just to read tidbits of dota news or look for dota threads.

I mean; the dota people miss out on all the other TL stuff and the starcraft fans miss out on all the dota stuff; only the diehard purists win.

pretty much this. I thought the idea was cool at first but the more I thought about it, the more I think it's not going to work out. I mostly browsed TL for some SCII, BW, blogs, general and anime discussion thread. Also, recently got more interested in dota2 so I was starting to use it but it feels like its too much un-necessary work to visit both TL and LD now. Is it possible to still have some thread(maybe main articles?) in the dota2 section and everything else on LD? would at least have some of those who are here for starcraft but read some dota2 from time to time(and maybe something similar on LD for starcraft so a subforum for articles by staff).
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EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
May 11 2014 22:45 GMT
#152
On May 12 2014 07:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:18 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Where did they get my post count in LiquidDotA?

from the dota threads ported over.

Nice touch. So the TL database actually also has a column for where the thread comment is from? whoa!
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LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
May 11 2014 22:48 GMT
#153
Why are you moving the sites? This is really annoying when I want to follow more than one scene, and it make no sense at all really.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34498 Posts
May 11 2014 22:49 GMT
#154
On May 12 2014 07:45 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On May 12 2014 07:18 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Where did they get my post count in LiquidDotA?

from the dota threads ported over.

Nice touch. So the TL database actually also has a column for where the thread comment is from? whoa!

From what I know, separate databases.
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
May 11 2014 22:51 GMT
#155
really needs an option to keep dota 2 same layout as old website
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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
May 11 2014 22:55 GMT
#156
Losing the community and blogs sections of the site really sucks. Is this going to increase ad revenue or something for you guys by forcing us to visit two sites to see what we were originally able to on one?
TexasToast
Profile Joined March 2011
United States82 Posts
May 11 2014 22:56 GMT
#157
Not a fan of this change. I much prefer going to one site for coverage of both SC2 and Dota 2.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11964 Posts
May 11 2014 22:57 GMT
#158
On May 12 2014 07:42 FlyingSteaks wrote:
Eh, was this necessary? I liked seeing sc2 and dota in just one place, but I guess not many people did that


That and the moderation was the main reason I kept using the site after my SC2 interest waned.
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
May 11 2014 22:57 GMT
#159
On May 12 2014 07:49 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2014 07:45 EnumaAvalon wrote:
On May 12 2014 07:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On May 12 2014 07:18 EnumaAvalon wrote:
Where did they get my post count in LiquidDotA?

from the dota threads ported over.

Nice touch. So the TL database actually also has a column for where the thread comment is from? whoa!

From what I know, separate databases.

The more I know :D Pretty exciting stuff for me.
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36388 Posts
May 11 2014 22:59 GMT
#160
On May 12 2014 07:20 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Was hoping mod/staff would be able to answer....

How successful would you guys rate the splitting of Hearthstone from teamliquid?

It was successful. It definitely wouldn't have worked putting it on TL frontpage and having HS, StarCraft, Dota, etc on it. If you were to compare LH to the option of keeping it on TL, it's not really even close in terms of how it can grow.

On May 12 2014 07:37 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I mean it's hard to say if teamliquid has been making good decisions recently, as their viewership has dropped to around 50% of what it was a year ago (going off of "active", as well as the activity I've been seeing). The real question is whether this will continue that streak or change it. This can be a really big nail in the coffin for teamliquid if it doesn't work out.

In terms of traffic, viewership across all StarCraft sites has declined since 2012. I don't think this has much to do with any decisions we're making, it's just a reality in the scene.

Dota was not growing on TL (at least not at the rate we consider acceptable) and the reason for this is because our Dota audience is just people that already use TL, not new users. This is because you have a site with a calendar not tailored to the game, with StarCraft icons, etc. It's not a very welcoming place for a Dota fan. This move at minimum will give our Dota staff and community a chance to grow. Status quo simply wasn't cutting it.
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