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Will this be supported by TL, i.e. will the streams show up in the sidebar? I never watch streams unless through TL.
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zdfgucker
China594 Posts
Will this be supported by TL, i.e. will the streams show up in the sidebar? I never watch streams unless through TL. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On December 21 2013 12:45 MLG_Adam wrote: We can still stream SC2 events that others run or work with Sc2 streamers. Also, no one said we 'dropped' SC2 forever. WCS is doing great, we'll try to pop in where we're needed. I need you to pop into New England... and run a massive open bracket tournament again so I can go. No SC2 tournament was as exciting to watch, as the old MLG events. | ||
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
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TheQuenster
United States1 Post
This thread is just an example of how bad the nazi TL mods can be, forcing us all to have a nice happy conversation about MLG when they dont deserve that. :^) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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ilmeeni
Afghanistan72 Posts
SC2 salt in this thread is amusing. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On December 22 2013 08:22 TheQuenster wrote: Why is this labeled SC2 when all the people that mention StarCraft get warned and banned? If MLG doesnt want to support the SC2 scene which they clearly don't, then they shouldnt try to come back for every penny they missed. This thread is just an example of how bad the nazi TL mods can be, forcing us all to have a nice happy conversation about MLG when they dont deserve that. :^) It's been said a ton of times, and it will probably continue being said. TL is the one who puts the SC2/Dota/BW labels on news post. Adam had nothing to do with that. Also, in case you haven't noticed, (clearly you haven't) this got posted in the TL COMMUNITY forum, which is...you know, not game specific. Congratulations on pointing out how TL mods are nazis and feeling good about yourself, when you're 100% incorrect with your statement. Have a nice day. Good luck Adam, you may have answered this previously but are you guys pushing VODs through to Youtube or what is the deal there? | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
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nachtkap
Germany195 Posts
On December 21 2013 23:06 MLG_Adam wrote: -Extended series- Agree to disagree. I see both sides of the argument but there are far worse (IMO) tournament rules and formats in place by other organizations that seem to go under the radar. We feel that if you are eliminated by someone in double elimination that the player advancing should have won more total games. All that being said, we have listened to feedback and have removed Extended series. -Demon situation. Sorry but I have no regrets about that situation. I stand by our ruling and would do it again in a heart beat. We are not going to operate a professional tournament with unlimited, unregistered, oft times random subs. I'm sorry if that answer is direct, but it is what it is. -I don't recall TLO, or anyone, being denied the ability to change races in a tournament. Maybe it was mid series, but even then I'm not sure what the exact rules state (would have to ask our tournament ops team) -The MLG player of 2011 and 2012 was served via satellite/stream works in conjunction with Twitch/Owned. Not sure what you mean here. -Not sure what you mean by the Arena hype comment I could elaborate on on my points but it would steer this thread off topic even more, as you rightly pointed out. So many stories have become 'fact' within the community, mainly because we never said otherwise or shared our side of things. That is on us for not communicating enough and today we reap that harvest (as you can see in this thread). In any case I created this thread to discuss our player and I would appreciate staying on topic. Have a great holiday! Your lack of communication was the exact thing I was trying to get at with my 'trust in MLG' thing. Every time MLG caught flak for something I sat there thinking 'wtf are you trying to pull now MLG?', at first. After my initial rage passed I managed to see hints of a well thought through reasoning. Clear cut reasoning like you just provided. I admit I might have been a bit to vague in my phrasing. The real question I was trying to get at was: why should I 'trust MLG' to be proactive in explaining controversial decisions? I get the feeling that it is only a matter of time until there is some controversy that would seem like you hung a streamer out to dry. | ||
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iSkout
United States2 Posts
I haven't watched MLG events much since they integrated their forums with the GB forums, but I do wish you guys luck on this. Hopefully, you can pull this off without as many quirks as Twitch has. | ||
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Pangpootata
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
On December 22 2013 14:50 Pangpootata wrote: To all haters: Flaming organisations that have dropped SC2 is a good way to stop any organisation from picking up SC2 in the future, for the fear of backlash should they have to drop it one day. What we should do instead is continue to support organisations who have once supported SC2 to let them know that sponsoring SC2 was a right choice, and entice them to come back again. Mm I dunno, is it really our "duty" to do that? As a community you might argue, perhaps it would be a mature thing to do, for sure (Sc2 / BW community is loyal to a fault almost. )Plus we are a bunch of nice ppl generally. But as a paying customer for all things sc2 related (we are talking generous stream donations, hrs on TL and streams, I stream myself, buying stuff from TL store, thousands of euros on computer parts that only support my fav teams/players), I cant help but feel that the MLG brand (for me personally) isnt what it has been. I pride myself in being in a sc2 community and being a loyal consumer. I wish them the best of luck tho, and hope that this new streaming platform which can rival twitchtvs (as competition) is always good. And if they offer a good product I see no harm in it. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On December 22 2013 19:07 SoniC_eu wrote: Mm I dunno, is it really our "duty" to do that? As a community you might argue, perhaps it would be a mature thing to do, for sure (Sc2 / BW community is loyal to a fault almost. )Plus we are a bunch of nice ppl generally. But as a paying customer for all things sc2 related (we are talking generous stream donations, hrs on TL and streams, I stream myself, buying stuff from TL store, thousands of euros on computer parts that only support my fav teams/players), I cant help but feel that the MLG brand (for me personally) isnt what it has been. I pride myself in being in a sc2 community and being a loyal consumer. I wish them the best of luck tho, and hope that this new streaming platform which can rival twitchtvs (as competition) is always good. And if they offer a good product I see no harm in it. Oh no, I actually agree with Pangpootata. I personally find it fucking embarassing that two of the first posts in this thread are "༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIVE STARCRAFT" and "What is your favorite brand of tampons?"; not forgetting the first four pages being full of red posts either issued temp-bans or warnings either. I linked this thread on /r/starcraft and was downvoted because the subreddit hates my presence (long story I won't go into but a vast majority of posts I make on /r/starcraft get downvote brigaded or just outright flamed because I've made opinions on the game's design considered controversial, I've even had posts telling me I should delete my reddit account or go kill myself) and because apparently "Sundance is a fucking tool" even though these self-entitled fucks have been shitting on MLG because WCS America S1 didn't meet their ultra-high standards. Based on the amount of QQ about Twitch.tv, and the outcry for a Twitch competitior; I find it ludicrous the community bites my hand off when I suggest a competitor. Hashd? Nobody uses it, therefore it's shit; an attitude which unsurprisingly caused the site to shut down with no word a few months ago because nobody even remotely considered the site. Hitbox? Noooooo, it's being run by the CFO of Own3D and apparently they're a bunch of scam artists. As far as I'm concerned; if the community collectively acts this entitled and bites a helping hand this ferociously, as they've done with MLG, it's just propping up the harbingers who are crying out "dead game" whether as part of some intentional reddit circlejerk to acquire downvotes or because there's been a decline in tournaments and viewership. Excuse the long post. I actually have one question, MLGAdam. Do you have any plans to extend MLG's streaming platform beyond "100 featured streamers?" I like the fact MLG are willing to be helpful towards personal streamers but I feel like what Twitch needs as a competitor is a completely open platform and not just an Azubu clone (that differentiates itself through acquiring exclusive streamers and being run by a totally legitimate and non-shady company.) | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10341 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Anyway Adam. What I'm most curious about is how you plan on actually getting viewers to these streams. The biggest issue with sites like YouTube or Twitch is that if you don't agree with their policies or you don't like the service they provide, the other options really aren't financially viable simply because if content discovery. A lot of sites offer better rates than YouTube for video content, but none allow you to find content as easily and have as big of a userbase to where you don't need to heavily advertise to get your work out there. If there weren't fighting game tournaments on Twitch would I have ever watched one? Probably not. | ||
MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On December 22 2013 06:36 Broodwurst wrote: Since you're saying the number of streamers will be scaled to offer the perfect amount of adds/bandwith/etc. does this mean streamers could potentially be kicked if e.g. a new game gains lots of (unexpected) viewers? I don't know if folks would be kicked. The only way that would happen is if they stopped streaming regularly. | ||
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On December 22 2013 08:41 Torenhire wrote: It's been said a ton of times, and it will probably continue being said. TL is the one who puts the SC2/Dota/BW labels on news post. Adam had nothing to do with that. Also, in case you haven't noticed, (clearly you haven't) this got posted in the TL COMMUNITY forum, which is...you know, not game specific. Congratulations on pointing out how TL mods are nazis and feeling good about yourself, when you're 100% incorrect with your statement. Have a nice day. Good luck Adam, you may have answered this previously but are you guys pushing VODs through to Youtube or what is the deal there? We will push VOD through Youtube and MLG, 100% free. | ||
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On December 22 2013 09:46 Jaaaaasper wrote: Great the one platform that has a history of working worse than twitch. Prove me wrong Adam and co, we need some competition in the streaming business. I always appreciate the challenge  However, just so we're clear, we did not start using our own player until September this year. In the past we used the Streamworks player or Twitch/Own3d. | ||
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On December 22 2013 12:38 nachtkap wrote: I could elaborate on on my points but it would steer this thread off topic even more, as you rightly pointed out. Your lack of communication was the exact thing I was trying to get at with my 'trust in MLG' thing. Every time MLG caught flak for something I sat there thinking 'wtf are you trying to pull now MLG?', at first. After my initial rage passed I managed to see hints of a well thought through reasoning. Clear cut reasoning like you just provided. I admit I might have been a bit to vague in my phrasing. The real question I was trying to get at was: why should I 'trust MLG' to be proactive in explaining controversial decisions? I get the feeling that it is only a matter of time until there is some controversy that would seem like you hung a streamer out to dry. If something happens, you won't not see us communicating. Good or bad, you'll hear from us. I look forward to changing public opinion. | ||
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On December 22 2013 20:53 Clbull wrote: Oh no, I actually agree with Pangpootata. I personally find it fucking embarassing that two of the first posts in this thread are "༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIVE STARCRAFT" and "What is your favorite brand of tampons?"; not forgetting the first four pages being full of red posts either issued temp-bans or warnings either. I linked this thread on /r/starcraft and was downvoted because the subreddit hates my presence (long story I won't go into but a vast majority of posts I make on /r/starcraft get downvote brigaded or just outright flamed because I've made opinions on the game's design considered controversial, I've even had posts telling me I should delete my reddit account or go kill myself) and because apparently "Sundance is a fucking tool" even though these self-entitled fucks have been shitting on MLG because WCS America S1 didn't meet their ultra-high standards. Based on the amount of QQ about Twitch.tv, and the outcry for a Twitch competitior; I find it ludicrous the community bites my hand off when I suggest a competitor. Hashd? Nobody uses it, therefore it's shit; an attitude which unsurprisingly caused the site to shut down with no word a few months ago because nobody even remotely considered the site. Hitbox? Noooooo, it's being run by the CFO of Own3D and apparently they're a bunch of scam artists. As far as I'm concerned; if the community collectively acts this entitled and bites a helping hand this ferociously, as they've done with MLG, it's just propping up the harbingers who are crying out "dead game" whether as part of some intentional reddit circlejerk to acquire downvotes or because there's been a decline in tournaments and viewership. Excuse the long post. I actually have one question, MLGAdam. Do you have any plans to extend MLG's streaming platform beyond "100 featured streamers?" I like the fact MLG are willing to be helpful towards personal streamers but I feel like what Twitch needs as a competitor is a completely open platform and not just an Azubu clone (that differentiates itself through acquiring exclusive streamers and being run by a totally legitimate and non-shady company.) Hey there, thanks for the post. On the topic of opening up the platform a bit, I explained our vision on another post on this thread. The bottom line is when we're confident we'll be able to sustain the folks in the system, we'll consider expanding the offering. However, I don't ever see this as a completely open platform. | ||
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MLG_Adam
United States994 Posts
On December 22 2013 22:19 R1CH wrote: Will there be support for embeds and an API? Yes, eventually. The issues have revolved around some of our technology breaking when we embedded (ad block protection, etc). API yes. | ||
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