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Don't derail the thread with your personal opinions on MLG and SC2
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 21 2013 09:55 GMT
#161
A couple of months ago I posed a question why aren't large CDNs being used for SC2 streaming and I was told by everyone that it is too expensive, that esports is to small, that ... whatever, MLG showng that it can be done! I am really looking forward to this.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
TheMightyCabeld
Profile Joined June 2013
United States44 Posts
December 21 2013 10:08 GMT
#162
Adam <3

This may have been asked before, but will MLG be doing subscriptions, similar to those on Twitch, to individual streamers? Or will there be a plan for the whole of the website?
nachtkap
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany195 Posts
December 21 2013 12:27 GMT
#163
On December 21 2013 13:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 11:02 nachtkap wrote:
-Why should I as viewer think that the particular streamer I like made the right choice with MLG? Why should I chose that MLG streamer over a twitch (or youtube) streamer.

-Assuming I like two streamers equally, why should I chose the one that stream through MLG?

-What is the benefit for streamers and audience when they chose MLG over (or in addition to) twitch and youtube?

-In the past there were multiple non severe problems with MLG rules and products that you seemed resistant to change. Why should people TRUST that issues will be fixed and stuff changed to reflect the wishes of the users?

For me (trying) to trust MLG has been a roller coaster ride. Faux pas followed by trust building followed by faux pas ad infinitum. (As far as faux pas go.... why would I want to see MLGs latest tweet+ads before I can look at details of your announcement and why aren't those details in your post?)



-For starters the stream should be stable up to 1080p. Outside of that, by streaming on MLG we can help that streamer make substantially more money. Why is that important to a viewer? Because the streamer is able to support himself via an endeavor you enjoy.

-You should choose MLG because you enjoy the experience provided.

-Streamers benefit via increased monetization and support. Fans enjoy a stable streaming experience and hopefully a more scheduled offering.

I just realized that I might have perceived this whole thing wrong. Is this supposed to be more of a TV station approach instead of a 'fling-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks' youtube/twitch approach? I that light it all makes sense.
-Can you elaborate? Do you mean extended series?

Yes the extended series is what primarily prompted it. There are quite a few others or I wouldn't have asked this. A list is needed I suppose.
-extended series.
-Avoidable Demon controversy, because your DotA2 rules that where trying to reinvent the wheel. Why would teams need to register five replacements before the tournament. Starladder has been at this the longest and they specifically make do without it (unlimited replacements, I checked).
-I remember TLO saying MLG wouldn't allow him to switch races depending on the match up. Either true random, Terran or Zerg but not pick and chose.
-The l̶o̶v̶e̶d̶ MLG website and player of 2011 (and 2012?)
-Sticking to outdated maps like Shakuras Plateau way longer then anyone else.
-Balance of hype vs community feedback being off. MLG Arena hype hype hype without at least mentioning that you might have to change payment structure.
There were other instances but those examples best illustrate my point (or I cant remember them right now). After listing all of that I realize that it pretty much all comes down to community feedback lacking at times. At no point did (or indeed could) slasher or itmejp explain the reasoning behind issues that arose.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 21 2013 12:37 GMT
#164
Some embarrassing reactions in this topic. Thanks for being a trooper Adam.
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
December 21 2013 12:52 GMT
#165
Excellent answers

I'll repeat, best of luck. Hope this works out.
I <3 the internet, I <3 you
StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
December 21 2013 13:07 GMT
#166
everyone mad as hell, just for the love of god dont support it then! Do not even view the website!

i would like to see what this is and how it helps the gaming community as a whole but lets face it, im the most die hard to sc2 fans and even i recognize that the game is loosing a lot of interest now, 4 teams gone in a month . . . sc and sc2 may have just about had its day competitively

User was temp banned for this post.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
December 21 2013 13:49 GMT
#167
On December 21 2013 13:36 MLG_Adam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 07:20 Jinsho wrote:
If sponsored streamers are part of your envisaged customer user base, how will sponsor issues be resolved?

How is MLG.tv going to be held responsible for individual misbehaviour? Twitch has a dedicated support team for stream or chat abuse, who are also helping with stream setups, DDOS etc : is MLG able to offer the same?

Is this part of a bigger drive towards expansion of the MLG brand into providing esports infrastructure, or is this just a small side-project without any real strategy or thought behind it? I would be interested to find out what your long-term forecast for the service is.




There are no sponsor issues, everything is in bounds.

Every streamer will have a personal producer that helps them with everything from set up, to advertising, to reporting, to technical issues.

This is the backbone of our business. We’ve been ebita positive for the last two quarters; We expect to stay ebita positive on a quarterly basis in 2014. We are going to be rolling out MUCH MORE to layer on top of the player in line with the 'infrastructure' you alluded to.



That's some good stuff, thanks for answering my questions Adam.
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 14:10:56
December 21 2013 14:06 GMT
#168
On December 21 2013 21:27 nachtkap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 13:47 MLG_Adam wrote:
On December 21 2013 11:02 nachtkap wrote:
-Why should I as viewer think that the particular streamer I like made the right choice with MLG? Why should I chose that MLG streamer over a twitch (or youtube) streamer.

-Assuming I like two streamers equally, why should I chose the one that stream through MLG?

-What is the benefit for streamers and audience when they chose MLG over (or in addition to) twitch and youtube?

-In the past there were multiple non severe problems with MLG rules and products that you seemed resistant to change. Why should people TRUST that issues will be fixed and stuff changed to reflect the wishes of the users?

For me (trying) to trust MLG has been a roller coaster ride. Faux pas followed by trust building followed by faux pas ad infinitum. (As far as faux pas go.... why would I want to see MLGs latest tweet+ads before I can look at details of your announcement and why aren't those details in your post?)



-For starters the stream should be stable up to 1080p. Outside of that, by streaming on MLG we can help that streamer make substantially more money. Why is that important to a viewer? Because the streamer is able to support himself via an endeavor you enjoy.

-You should choose MLG because you enjoy the experience provided.

-Streamers benefit via increased monetization and support. Fans enjoy a stable streaming experience and hopefully a more scheduled offering.

I just realized that I might have perceived this whole thing wrong. Is this supposed to be more of a TV station approach instead of a 'fling-at-the-wall-and-see-what-sticks' youtube/twitch approach? I that light it all makes sense.
Show nested quote +
-Can you elaborate? Do you mean extended series?

Yes the extended series is what primarily prompted it. There are quite a few others or I wouldn't have asked this. A list is needed I suppose.
-extended series.
-Avoidable Demon controversy, because your DotA2 rules that where trying to reinvent the wheel. Why would teams need to register five replacements before the tournament. Starladder has been at this the longest and they specifically make do without it (unlimited replacements, I checked).
-I remember TLO saying MLG wouldn't allow him to switch races depending on the match up. Either true random, Terran or Zerg but not pick and chose.
-The l̶o̶v̶e̶d̶ MLG website and player of 2011 (and 2012?)
-Sticking to outdated maps like Shakuras Plateau way longer then anyone else.
-Balance of hype vs community feedback being off. MLG Arena hype hype hype without at least mentioning that you might have to change payment structure.
There were other instances but those examples best illustrate my point (or I cant remember them right now). After listing all of that I realize that it pretty much all comes down to community feedback lacking at times. At no point did (or indeed could) slasher or itmejp explain the reasoning behind issues that arose.


-Extended series- Agree to disagree. I see both sides of the argument but there are far worse (IMO) tournament rules and formats in place by other organizations that seem to go under the radar. We feel that if you are eliminated by someone in double elimination that the player advancing should have won more total games. All that being said, we have listened to feedback and have removed Extended series.

-Demon situation. Sorry but I have no regrets about that situation. I stand by our ruling and would do it again in a heart beat. We are not going to operate a professional tournament with unlimited, unregistered, oft times random subs. I'm sorry if that answer is direct, but it is what it is.

-I don't recall TLO, or anyone, being denied the ability to change races in a tournament. Maybe it was mid series, but even then I'm not sure what the exact rules state (would have to ask our tournament ops team)

-The MLG player of 2011 and 2012 was served via satellite/stream works in conjunction with Twitch/Owned. Not sure what you mean here.

-Not sure what you mean by the Arena hype comment

So many stories have become 'fact' within the community, mainly because we never said otherwise or shared our side of things. That is on us for not communicating enough and today we reap that harvest (as you can see in this thread). In any case I created this thread to discuss our player and I would appreciate staying on topic. Have a great holiday!
Twitter: MrAdamAp
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
December 21 2013 14:07 GMT
#169
On December 21 2013 19:08 TheMightyCabeld wrote:
Adam <3

This may have been asked before, but will MLG be doing subscriptions, similar to those on Twitch, to individual streamers? Or will there be a plan for the whole of the website?



We're still assessing this based on feedback/input from our incoming streaming partners.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
nixX3n
Profile Joined June 2011
United States122 Posts
December 21 2013 14:39 GMT
#170
Hey Adam!

I really enjoyed your Dota 2 content over the last couple months and want to thank you for the hard work you put in and your availability to the community. You have been responding on the dota2 subreddit quite extensively and I want to thank you for it and say GJ!

Now down to the questions. So I've been hearing you talk a lot about Q1 and Q2 apps for Roku, XB1, XB360, etc and I want to know if you guys plan on releasing any app for the PS4 and if so when should we expect it? For some reason I feel like you guys are in cahoots with XB so is that why there are no apps for PS3/PS4?
Blitz for Presidentfu
sSooG
Profile Joined June 2013
Croatia38 Posts
December 21 2013 14:54 GMT
#171
On December 21 2013 04:10 CrankOut wrote:
Yeah, people here definitly care about Halo, Call of Kiddy Streams and so on...

User was warned for this post


quote the truth

User was warned for this post
nerf mutaliskuuuu!!!
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
December 21 2013 15:02 GMT
#172
Sc2 crowd never cease to amaze me

This is a good news, twitch needs competition as their service of late really awful.
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
December 21 2013 15:43 GMT
#173
On December 21 2013 23:54 sSooG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2013 04:10 CrankOut wrote:
Yeah, people here definitly care about Halo, Call of Kiddy Streams and so on...

User was warned for this post


quote the truth

User was warned for this post



Seems weird to look down on another community for being 'kiddies' while acting childish

Can't we all just get along
Twitter: MrAdamAp
MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
December 21 2013 15:44 GMT
#174
On December 21 2013 23:39 nixX3n wrote:
Hey Adam!

I really enjoyed your Dota 2 content over the last couple months and want to thank you for the hard work you put in and your availability to the community. You have been responding on the dota2 subreddit quite extensively and I want to thank you for it and say GJ!

Now down to the questions. So I've been hearing you talk a lot about Q1 and Q2 apps for Roku, XB1, XB360, etc and I want to know if you guys plan on releasing any app for the PS4 and if so when should we expect it? For some reason I feel like you guys are in cahoots with XB so is that why there are no apps for PS3/PS4?


Thank you!

We're definitely looking at a PS4 app but it is down the development list
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Winterhearted
Profile Joined October 2012
Ukraine28 Posts
December 21 2013 16:07 GMT
#175
Great news! Twitch is very laggy sometimes here in Ukraine (I believe in rest of Europe, too). So, the more streamer platforms the better!
Ziggles
Profile Joined January 2013
United States3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-22 05:15:35
December 21 2013 17:34 GMT
#176
You drop SC2, tell us over twitter
and now you come here asking us to use your streaming service? why should I do that? What could your site possible offer that is better than twitch or could apologize for dropping sc2 the way you guys did?

warned for this? come on nazi mods MLG dropped sc2 and now they're coming back asking for us to use their service? not a chance. especially after being dropped over fucking twitter
User was warned for this post
Practice practice practice, and if you're not practicing, keep practicing - Fatal1ty FAVORITE TEAM IS SLAYERS NO ICON THO:(
TheMightyCabeld
Profile Joined June 2013
United States44 Posts
December 21 2013 17:41 GMT
#177
On December 22 2013 02:34 Ziggles wrote:
You drop SC2, tell us over twitter
and now you come here asking us to use your streaming service? why should I do that? What could your site possible offer that is better than twitch or could apologize for dropping sc2 the way you guys did?


Are trolls making new accounts after getting warned? Sad.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-21 18:04:49
December 21 2013 18:04 GMT
#178
Do you transcode everything sent to you like YouTube? 60fps available? I assume you still have to use Flash/RTMP like everyone else or do I dare to hope you've managed to do something else? Using HLS like Twitch/other services that add lots of delay?

I probably have more technical questions, but this is good to start

PS: <3 Adam and all your hard work. Hoping MLG can return to SC2 content in 2014.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
December 21 2013 18:07 GMT
#179
On December 22 2013 02:34 Ziggles wrote:
You drop SC2, tell us over twitter
and now you come here asking us to use your streaming service? why should I do that? What could your site possible offer that is better than twitch or could apologize for dropping sc2 the way you guys did?

User was warned for this post


A better troll would actually have a good argument, you know .
NorthernAetas
Profile Joined February 2013
United States11 Posts
December 21 2013 18:38 GMT
#180
Hey Adam!

I just wanted to say thanks for all the hard work you've put into reaching out to the community as I'm sure you have other things to do on top of this, so I really appreciate it.

As for a question - are there any plans for adding a feature like what Youtube Live has, where you can scroll back through the stream and buffer until live time? From my somewhat limited understanding this seems like an extremely extensive feature, though I always enjoyed it when I found myself on Azubu and/or Youtube Live.

I look forward to seeing what you and MLG have cooked up for 2014 - keep up the good work!
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