EPTThe Tale of irninja aka Freelancer - Page 2
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Latham
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:05 Frozire wrote: EDIT: For those interested in the "circle jerk"-picture I was referencing: http://www.mi-gaming.net/dictatorfreelancer.jpg I have been lurking here for quite some time and simply had to register to post my 2 cents. I have had the "pleasent" experience of dealing with Freelancer in an couple of ways; For years I was a long time writer on Curse's ArenaJunkies and later in charge of Curse's GuildWars2Guru PvP scene. First of all, Freelancer is well known by pretty much every single moderator on GW2Guru. As a long time member he have been causing nothing but trouble since day one. Freelancer had a vision for his community to "conquer" gw2 and me being a super moderator I had to deal with freelancer and his crew on a daily basis. I would get hundreds of reports every month claiming the craziest things that I would simply not put much into but that I later found out to be true. At the time I couldn't simply ban him as they were not a concern for me guru/ me as a moderator, mostly being in-game exploits, ddos or impersonation etc. Freelancer has several times been confronted with screenshots of internal google doc's. A document that featured every single member and a list of articles, posts and "daily duties". Where every single member had to "sign off" when they had gone to certain articles/links and promoted/engaged in conversation on them. There were guidelines as to what they should post, in what manner they should write it. Members were even adviced to find a name not easily recognizable as a Team Legacy member. This way he could generate massive amount of interest to his sub-par articles on ALL the platforms that he had managed to infiltrate. (I am doing my best to find the screenshot, it was HEAVILY shared in the GW2 community) I know for a fact that this was done heavily on ArenaJunkies as at the time I still had access to AJ moderation and was able to cross-check IP adresses of these "new" accounts "loving his work" with their genuine accounts on Guru. I had a lot more I wanted to say and a lot more drama regarding freelancer but these involve more people and I have no intend on stepping on anyone elses toes. All in all, this guy is very dodgy and anyone who intends to get invovled with Team Legacy should think twice before doing it. I remember this clearly, i started finding all this shit after i realised how dodgy his TL GW2 thread was. All it was was a giant team legacy recruitment post as a game thread. He did all sorts of shit within GW2, making members "spy" on others by Xferring servers and joining rival guilds, ddosing streamers, pvp commanders etc, he is a truly pathetic piece of work. That spreadsheet is the most hillarious of it all though, forcing members to promote the community through fraudulent mannerisms. His alliance of guilds actually fell apart because he was such a fraudulent little dickweed. High five for serejai! | ||
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Maxyim
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On November 14 2013 08:03 419 wrote: one day I hope to be as good a poster as def - nice to see dirty liars getting owned Hard life posting between Serejai and Nazgul. Despite all the pretense about Team Legacy being so closely associated with TL, I bet it'll be a week before any of the officers even hear about this topic. | ||
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Serejai
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DefMatrixUltra
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Thrill
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He's actually a nice guy. It's not like he's some malevolent shadow figure either. I say this coming from time spent talking to him and the GW2 guild during beta on teamspeak. He also did a lot of appearances on various podcasts, predominantly Tales of Tyria which was the premier talkshow for GW2. He put in a lot of actual work with the GW2 guild and community and if the game would have taken off/stayed alive we (TL) would have been proud to be featured as the origin of the #1 guild. Everything was handled very professionally and i believe TL members who wanted to try GW2 during beta had a positive experience with Freelancer & Co. Fine, so the mooching was taken to far and enough is enough right, but don't make him out to be in the same league as Gus (Philippine Pro League event) and WetDream (Absolute Legends). Edit: Just to clarify, i'm not denying that the way the guild was handled after the game failed was bad. There's a lot of truth to the saying that you don't really know someone until they fall upon hard times so you may see how they handle it. Freelancer's alleged actions and attempts to keep the community alive weren't proud moments as a community leader. I wasn't witness to that as I only played during beta. All i'm saying - wouldn't want to find myself on a sinking ship with him but who are any of us really to judge a man in that position before we've found ourselves equally cornered? GW2 was a huge bubble that burst. Should he have just let it go along with his ambitions? Yes, but promises were made to a lot of hopeful members so instead of disbanding, my take on the situation is he scrambled for what could be salvaged. To say that selfish gain was the motive all along is a highly problematic assessment. The TS conversations are lost in cyber space but the fifty or so episodes of Tales of Tyria are all there for anyone to listen to and judge for themselves. He's a man who went all in on a castle in the sky, not a monster. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On November 17 2013 11:46 Thrill wrote: + Show Spoiler + Drama... He's actually a nice guy. It's not like he's some malevolent shadow figure either. I say this coming from time spent talking to him and the GW2 guild during beta on teamspeak. He also did a lot of appearances on various podcasts, predominantly Tales of Tyria which was the premier talkshow for GW2. He put in a lot of actual work with the GW2 guild and community and if the game would have taken off/stayed alive we (TL) would have been proud to be featured as the origin of the #1 guild. Everything was handled very professionally and i believe TL members who wanted to try GW2 during beta had a positive experience with Freelancer & Co. Fine, so the mooching was taken to far and enough is enough right, but don't make him out to be in the same league as Gus (Philippine Pro League event) and WetDream (Absolute Legends). Edit: Just to clarify, i'm not denying that the way the guild was handled after the game failed was bad. There's a lot of truth to the saying that you don't really know someone until they fall upon hard times so you may see how they handle it. Freelancer's alleged actions and attempts to keep the community alive weren't proud moments as a community leader. I wasn't witness to that as I only played during beta. All i'm saying - wouldn't want to find myself on a sinking ship with him but who are any of us really to judge a man in that position before we've found ourselves equally cornered? GW2 was a huge bubble that burst. Should he have just let it go along with his ambitions? Yes, but promises were made to a lot of hopeful members so instead of disbanding, my take on the situation is he scrambled for what could be salvaged. To say that selfish gain was the motive all along is a highly problematic assessment. The TS conversations are lost in cyber space but the fifty or so episodes of Tales of Tyria are all there for anyone to listen to and judge for themselves. He's a man who went all in on a castle in the sky, not a monster. That would be undestandable if the issues with him were limited to GW2, but it's hard to excuse his actions on other games and forums because of the poor state of GW2, when they were not limited to that game or even that timeframe. | ||
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Serejai
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On November 17 2013 11:46 Thrill wrote: He's actually a nice guy.
You're certainly entitled to your own opinion but I, for the life of me, cannot figure out how you managed to form it. Team Legacy is basically a cult, just like vVv is. Freelancer is no different than Lord Jerith in that everyone who's ever encountered the guy on the outside realizes how terrible of a person he is while the people on the inside think he's the second coming of Jesus as he takes advantage of them for personal gain. It's actually quite incredible. There is a similar situation with a company called Seatribe that produces Haven & Hearth and Salem. Lots of us here on TL have played both games, and have varying opinions of them. One thing we all agree on, however, is that the developers are awful people. In fact, the developers have openly stated they believe gays and non-whites don't deserve the same rights that we do and racial slurs are accepted (and encouraged) on their official game servers. They even lost their publisher because of this. And yet, despite that, they still have a cult following of a few thousand people who will stand up and defend anything they say. Sheep, if you will. | ||
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Durak
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Serejai
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DefMatrixUltra
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On November 17 2013 11:46 Thrill wrote: Edit: Just to clarify, i'm not denying that the way the guild was handled after the game failed was bad. There's a lot of truth to the saying that you don't really know someone until they fall upon hard times so you may see how they handle it. Freelancer's alleged actions and attempts to keep the community alive weren't proud moments as a community leader. I wasn't witness to that as I only played during beta. All i'm saying - wouldn't want to find myself on a sinking ship with him but who are any of us really to judge a man in that position before we've found ourselves equally cornered? GW2 was a huge bubble that burst. Should he have just let it go along with his ambitions? Yes, but promises were made to a lot of hopeful members so instead of disbanding, my take on the situation is he scrambled for what could be salvaged. To say that selfish gain was the motive all along is a highly problematic assessment. The TS conversations are lost in cyber space but the fifty or so episodes of Tales of Tyria are all there for anyone to listen to and judge for themselves. He's a man who went all in on a castle in the sky, not a monster. What? I think you didn't read the first two posts very carefully. Team Legacy would simply not exist right now were it not for the bulk of its early membership siphoned from Team Liquid, and 70-80% of the point of the thread is that much of this membership was gained by deceiving people to believe that Team Legacy was some official TL venture. If you have complaints about what was written, please make them - but do not attempt to rewrite history. /edit - I'm not even sure what things you're talking about happening. Maybe you'd like to add some more good ol' Freelancer antics to the list? | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On November 17 2013 12:52 Serejai wrote: ... racial slurs are accepted (and encouraged) on their official game servers. This is untrue, can you link the thread where this allegedly happened (I can't seem to find it, but I remember seeing it at the time), but you are misrepresenting it completely. EDIT: found his cap of it: On June 21 2013 15:19 Serejai wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qBJPypu.png) So because the forum moderators didn't ban someone for using a non politically correct insult in a non-serious way (the horror!), the developers somehow encourage racial slurs? Am I missing the obvious here? | ||
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Serejai
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On November 17 2013 16:03 Rollin wrote: This is untrue, can you link the thread where this allegedly happened (I can't seem to find it, but I remember seeing it at the time), but you are misrepresenting it completely. EDIT: found his cap of it: So because the forum moderators didn't ban someone for using a non politically correct insult in a non-serious way (the horror!), the developers somehow encourage racial slurs? Am I missing the obvious here? The developers went on a rant live on stream and started spewing their horrible views on gays and non-whites, and even had a thread on their forums explaining why they felt being racist and homophobic was justified. Shortly after Paradox dropped them and they deleted the thread off their forums. That's an entire other discussion in itself, though. | ||
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