EPTHowever, I cannot get rid of the feeling that it still is not simple enough for real beginners. Although, then again your post would have like 800 pages... ;-)
Music Theory Primer: Part I - Page 2
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IBringUFire
Germany103 Posts
However, I cannot get rid of the feeling that it still is not simple enough for real beginners. Although, then again your post would have like 800 pages... ;-) | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On April 03 2013 18:06 IBringUFire wrote: As a musician and songwriter, really nice guide - and so accurate! However, I cannot get rid of the feeling that it still is not simple enough for real beginners. Although, then again your post would have like 800 pages... ;-) I made a blog for beginners here http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=397937 | ||
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FlorisXIV
Netherlands15 Posts
I think you are trying to go into too much detail though. As an introduction to music theory/notation you don't need to know about mensural notation and 7:5 rhythm immediately  You might want to explain about how groups of eighth and 16th etc notes are combined into larger symbols. Your example only includes a string of 16th notes. It would be more clear to include a combined example with eighth notes and dots i think. You could also add a figure/example of a dotted note and the same duration with a tied notation. Those type of figures are much easier to read then written text often (for me at least) On accents within measures and how to achieve those; you can add the agogische(?) accents (i don't know the English term for this :S ) The ones where you make a beat slightly longer to accentuate it. (p.s In the figure where you show how all the note durations are related you forgot to double the eighth notes ) | ||
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Deleted User 135096
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On April 03 2013 16:08 LaLuSh wrote: "It should be noted that in modern music notation the use of key signatures in scores is rarely seen nowadays, largely due to the breakdown of tonality at the beginning of the last century, thought it is still commonly used in popular genres, movies, song, and video game music where tonality is still widely used or is the standard practice." Can you elaborate on this? Because from personal experience they seem to be used everywhere (classical guitar). Does it only pertain to newer compositions/composers? Yea this mostly pertains to what would be classified as 'contemporary classical' music (music from about 1908-ish and onward). This really does depend on the genre that its being written for, as well as the composer though. Eric Whitacre for example does use key signatures in his choral music, as does Morton Lauridsen (in choral music this is somewhat more common). But music from John Corigliano for example mostly will not have key signatures, unless he's writing for a certain audience. As a general rule, contemporary composers will not use key signatures unless there's a good reason to, which is why it's more rare to see as composers do still use tonally-influenced harmonies, but the use of strict 'tonal harmony' amongst my ilk is more uncommon. Of course as I did mention in more popular genres that key signatures are still widely used because tonality is still the dominant harmonic frame there (popular music, 'rock' bands, hollywood and video game scores, etc...). On April 03 2013 20:11 FlorisXIV wrote:+ Show Spoiler + never ceases to amaze me that no matter how long I stare and proofread, I still miss things. Yea I 'll have to edit that image. Also I do talk about agogic accents briefly.Nice write-up man :D I think you are trying to go into too much detail though. As an introduction to music theory/notation you don't need to know about mensural notation and 7:5 rhythm immediately You might want to explain about how groups of eighth and 16th etc notes are combined into larger symbols. Your example only includes a string of 16th notes. It would be more clear to include a combined example with eighth notes and dots i think. You could also add a figure/example of a dotted note and the same duration with a tied notation. Those type of figures are much easier to read then written text often (for me at least) On accents within measures and how to achieve those; you can add the agogische(?) accents (i don't know the English term for this :S ) The ones where you make a beat slightly longer to accentuate it. (p.s In the figure where you show how all the note durations are related you forgot to double the eighth notes )Edit: the image has been fixed.  | ||
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FlorisXIV
Netherlands15 Posts
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kirdie
Germany221 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On April 03 2013 16:08 LaLuSh wrote: "It should be noted that in modern music notation the use of key signatures in scores is rarely seen nowadays, largely due to the breakdown of tonality at the beginning of the last century, thought it is still commonly used in popular genres, movies, song, and video game music where tonality is still widely used or is the standard practice." Can you elaborate on this? Because from personal experience they seem to be used everywhere (classical guitar). Does it only pertain to newer compositions/composers? Composers for the strictly classical concert music pieces tend to not use key signatures as often (I should know since I am one  ). With the "breakdown" of tonality (I don't like the wording here since I'm a fairly tonal composer) it meant that pitches could be assigned freely without the need to keep to a strict key signature, therefore dumping key signatures altogether simply made sense from a logistical standpoint. If we kept using key signatures some pieces would look nonsensical since you would be adding accidentals anyway. | ||
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DropBear
Australia4430 Posts
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
, I just wish I could write for it. | ||
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SoniC_eu
Denmark1008 Posts
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fusefuse
Estonia4644 Posts
Everything familiar so far Was great to get to know most of the terms in english though Without having to dig out theory books off the internets :D | ||
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ClydeFrogSC2
United States29 Posts
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
On April 03 2013 16:08 LaLuSh wrote: "It should be noted that in modern music notation the use of key signatures in scores is rarely seen nowadays, largely due to the breakdown of tonality at the beginning of the last century, thought it is still commonly used in popular genres, movies, song, and video game music where tonality is still widely used or is the standard practice." Can you elaborate on this? Because from personal experience they seem to be used everywhere (classical guitar). Does it only pertain to newer compositions/composers? The lack of key signatures is definitely something that came to be in the 20th century. The "tonal" music that is referenced has some really essential components: establishment of key, a cadence in a key, and a bunch of stuff in between. In some ways, it's also easier to read and think about the music if there is no key signature, as each note is presented as is, without some insinuation as to its relation to the key. If you are a beginner for classical guitar, then most of your pieces are going to be tonal in nature, and will use key signatures for pedagogical functions. The idea is that you start understanding the usual positions for a given key. With the lack of key signatures, the composer tries to avoid any confusion as to his/her intentions. | ||
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Wraith.978
Canada37 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
I also suggest putting up some examples or youtube links when you talk about this that are harder to grasp or imagine like the Georgian 2+2+3+2+2 rhythms to us hear some music :D I have one example of a 3+3+2+2+2 one :D + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFlBBGKyNjc they're not pros like the other one but just look at that atmostphere! It's fucking hard because they syncopate the hell out of it but it's fucking goooooooooood so just listen and have fun :D | ||
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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Canada535 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
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Deleted User 135096
3624 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:49 JieXian wrote:+ Show Spoiler + It certainly walks a line so to speak. Hopefully I've been concise enough and not too obtuse that subsequent readings can reveal more for those who are pretty new to this stuff. That being said, I sort of had to at least touch upon some things now if I ever want to try to approach some of the more advanced topics (like microtonality and tuning systems, or serialism), which is something that I feel is incredibly important to talk about, and not often touched on.My worry/critique is that it might be too detailed that it would scare beginners, whom I assume is your main target audience, away with an article as concise as this, depends on your intention though I also suggest putting up some examples or youtube links when you talk about this that are harder to grasp or imagine like the Georgian 2+2+3+2+2 rhythms to us hear some music :D I have one example of a 3+3+2+2+2 one :D + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrVjw76bh5E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrx9D_D5zrI + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFlBBGKyNjc they're not pros like the other one but just look at that atmostphere! It's fucking hard because they syncopate the hell out of it but it's fucking goooooooooood so just listen and have fun :D | ||
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sharkeyanti
United States1273 Posts
I don't think you've been obtuse, but I always found teaching this stuff or learning any sort of theory by myself is much easier with an instrument on hand and lots singing/clapping. | ||
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Jonrock
Germany80 Posts
However, I think this stuff is all moot, if you just read it and do not learn it practically while learning to play an instrument. It is pointless to know what minor-subdominant-cadenza is if you don't know what it sounds like and cannot hear it in your head. | ||
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