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On May 16 2011 02:24 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
try depressing the alt key and releasing hte same with control there's some weird bug in sc2 where the alt key will get stuck in the loading screen so that your keyboard won't work.
Not only is it answered in the OP, the third post directly below Sporadics answers this. Thank you though for.
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You know how much I love you guys? I'm loading up a new replay during the IdrA MC game.
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On June 20 2011 05:03 infinix wrote:Server: North America Your Name: iNfiniX Hacker Name: BtoYeuGbe Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6343Description: I normally wouldn't care too much about this, but this guy was increasingly BM in chat as well. I was suspicious in game when he had an overseer ready at his base for my DTs as well as he moved a baneling right as my dts came to his base. he did not scout my base at all. After watching the replay there are 2 instances where are incredibly suspicious. He a moved his zerglings across the map directly to where my proxy pylon was, completely unscouted by him. In addition to this, he pulls off 2 lings to find a hidden probe which he again did not scout at all. The replay shows that he moved both times almost on top of my probe/pylon again without any vision, this occurs at abotu 5:20 in the replay. The replay also confirms the super blind dt counter and his response to the dts is also very suspicious. Thank you for your time.
This isn't going be an easy one. I suspect he was locking his camera for replays. I need a lot of different reviews on this one. Write up coming soon.
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First Edit: Or not soon. I don't want to be presumptious but I think he was hacking. That baneling move was a cherry on top of an already extremely lucky/well played game. But without any obvious FOW peeks I can't just point to a time and say "look at this!".
I think he was looking at his main base hatch way too damn much while not doing anything then reacting to what you are doing with only intuition. I think he was locking his camera. But I can't prove that by myself.
I'm going to write down all of my suspicions and rely on everyone that reads this to disprove or agree with me.
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BtoYeuGbe never stares through the FOW suspiciously once during the game.
The game starts off normally. BtoYeuGbe drops a rush pool and is scouted, leading to a sealed wall from Protoss. He attempts to bane bust (with too few banelings to kill a pylon) and is denied. The suspicious activity starts here.
5:35 he attack moves the zerglings/baneling outside of Protosses main base twice, once close to a undiscovered proxy pylon and again directly above it. Not near or around. He attack moves directly above it. It's in Johns Common Knowledge hallway and any good player would scout there so this action alone isn't suspicious.
5:36 BtoYeuGbe attack moves a set of zerglings to a hidden probe at the 3oclock base. Again, he has incredibly good scouting intuition. I could be convinced that he saw a pylon in Johns hallway and figured the probe could still be around someplace nearby. Add to this the fact that he guessed right that the scouting probe didn't return to the main before the wall was built.
So far very good, master league scouting.
6:09 Protoss puts down a Dark Templar shrine.
BtoYeuGbe is looking at his main. . . .
6:20 a lair starts.
Pretty big coincidence. Possible though.
Then immediately upon lair completion he morphs in an overseer. For the rest of the game he only stays on hatchery army units. The sole purpose of making a lair at that timing was to get an overseer out. So, it is with little doubt that he suspected or he knew that DTs were coming. He could have suspected it, based on sheer intuition and gut alone. I say that because the only time the entire game he scouted the main was with his baneling bust. No drone scout, no overlord sac, not even a ling to poke up the wall. Whole game- only scouting done were attack move orders directly on top of hidden units.
In the 9th minute he does something nothing short of miraculous.
9:18 attack moves a baneling to the top of his ramp
9:20 the first shimmer of a DT within his vision
9:21 overseer detects
9:22 two DTs reach top of the ramp and the baneling explodes.
He moved a baneling to the top of his ramp, not altogether weird in and of itself. But he did it as soon as DTs entered his natural expansion (having no vision of his natural at the time, and still 0 confirmation that a dark shrine was made)
That's some pretty epic star sense.
DTs then kill his lings at the watch towers. He immediately moves out with an army+overseer to kill the DTs.
10:04 the DT moves away from the incoming overseer/army approaching the xel naga tower
10:07 the army veers away from the first tower and heads to the farther one to snipe the other DT.
Then around 10:30 the DTs, having survived and looped around the side of the map, all the while under FOW start heading directly toward BtoYeuGbe's main base. Upon their course becoming obvious (if you could see them) BtoYeuGbe makes a second overseer in his main and retreats his army. He thwarts the attack again.
Now I see things that make me very suspicious. I don't have times yet but this is what I see. BtoYeuGbe stares at his main hatchery. A lot. Way more than I do or any VOD or replay I've seen. Just sits there and watches his drones mine making a few more drones.
It leads me to believe that during those times and during the entire match he has been toggling a function on his map hack to lock the camera for the replay. During those seconds he doesn't appear to be doing anything he's actually scouting with his camera everything that's going on in the FOW.
I'll update this with the times he went idle but I must say, I'm convinced that there are suspicious circumstances related to his actions. I don't see how I can prove it but it's a little too perfect. Maybe his mechanical/strategic skill ARE far behind his brilliant intuition. Maybe he was just having an off day and played badly but still knew how to read a ZvP beautifully. But I don't think so. I think he was locking his camera and map hacking like all hell. The timings and actions are just too damn cute.
I can't prove any of this and I wouldn't be surprised if everyone else echoed that exact sentiment. But I won't say it's indeterminable.
Needs review
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On June 20 2011 05:48 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:03 infinix wrote:Server: North America Your Name: iNfiniX Hacker Name: BtoYeuGbe Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6343Description: I normally wouldn't care too much about this, but this guy was increasingly BM in chat as well. I was suspicious in game when he had an overseer ready at his base for my DTs as well as he moved a baneling right as my dts came to his base. he did not scout my base at all. After watching the replay there are 2 instances where are incredibly suspicious. He a moved his zerglings across the map directly to where my proxy pylon was, completely unscouted by him. In addition to this, he pulls off 2 lings to find a hidden probe which he again did not scout at all. The replay shows that he moved both times almost on top of my probe/pylon again without any vision, this occurs at abotu 5:20 in the replay. The replay also confirms the super blind dt counter and his response to the dts is also very suspicious. Thank you for your time. This isn't going be an easy one. I suspect he was locking his camera for replays. I need a lot of different reviews on this one. Write up coming soon. First Edit: Or not soon. I don't want to be presumptious but I think he was hacking. That baneling move was a cherry on top of an already extremely lucky/well played game. But without any obvious FOW peeks I can't just point to a time and say "look at this!". I think he was looking at his main base hatch way too damn much while not doing anything then reacting to what you are doing with only intuition. I think he was locking his camera. But I can't prove that by myself. I'm going to write down all of my suspicions and rely on everyone that reads this to disprove or agree with me.
I agree completely. Just thought I would just it out there for people to be aware of this player. The baneling for the DTs for me is a very big give away along with a lot of the weak give aways. In any case I appreciate the prompt reply.
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I think the map hacking is pretty clear. He could've been lucky/star sensing with the lair right after dark shrine, but you already mentioned the baneling move when DT was coming and at the time around 5:50 he sends two zerglings to kill a probe at the 3 o'clock base + sends the rest to kill pylon in the secret hallway, I didn't watch it again, but I'm quite sure there was nothing to base these actions on. And even if he somehow sensed that there could be a pylon there, no way would he randomly send 2 lings to the EXACT location where the probe was.
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On June 19 2011 20:35 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 09:36 TL Anti Hack wrote:
"Oh I played this game vs Probe1 and he blind countered my banshees with no scouting information"
OH JESUS THEY KNOW! /reformat harddrive and move to Guam Serious note: Though I wouldn't hesitate to talk to a mod if someone tried to screw up this thread with a false report, uncertainty is tolerable. I'm asking that if you aren't sure that's okay. If you treat reporting someone lightly however, get out.
If its an obvious false report, report the fucker and get them a free trip to disney land.
If someone just makes a mistake in a rep or is really suspicious just let it go(unless they do it multiple times) which someone did do in the last thread
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Server: NA
Your Name: ToR (Random-Zerg)
Hacker Name: sHAPE (Protoss)
Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?jf7nbajur3h31r8
Description: I am convinced sHAPE uses maphacks of some sort.
-Camera focus on my army under the fog of war at 5:23.
-Camera starts to primarily focus on the back the rocks while I am breaking the other set of rocks at 11:37. Focus ends at 12:52 after I retreat.
-Camera focus on my army under the fog of war at 14:37, army moves toward my forces to engage.
-Camera focus on my other group of units under the fog of war at 14:42.
-Camera focus on my army under the fog of war at 17:28, no commands are issued to attack this area.
-Camera focus on my 4th expansion under the fog of war at 18:30.
-Camera pans to my 3rd expansion under the fog of war at 18:31.
-Camera focus on my ling at under the fog of war near his back rocks at 19:07.
-Camera focus on my army under the fog of war at 21:41, however a move command is issued shortly after.
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On June 04 2011 05:58 -StrifeX- wrote:
...I'll upload their match history SS in a few minutes.
I've been waiting for 2 weeks -.-
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I don't see any follow up Mister SaYyId so I'm assuming nothing was ever found.
Speaking of which I'm having trouble with seeing any suspicious behavior from sHAPE.
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On June 20 2011 10:44 zer0thre3 wrote:Server: NA Your Name: ToR (Random-Zerg) Hacker Name: sHAPE (Protoss) Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?jf7nbajur3h31r8Description: I am convinced sHAPE uses maphacks of some sort. -Camera focus on my army under the fog of war at 5:23. -Camera starts to primarily focus on the back the rocks while I am breaking the other set of rocks at 11:37. Focus ends at 12:52 after I retreat. -Camera focus on my army under the fog of war at 14:37, army moves toward my forces to engage. -Camera focus on my other group of units under the fog of war at 14:42. -Camera focus on my army under the fog of war at 17:28, no commands are issued to attack this area. -Camera focus on my 4th expansion under the fog of war at 18:30. -Camera pans to my 3rd expansion under the fog of war at 18:31. -Camera focus on my ling at under the fog of war near his back rocks at 19:07. -Camera focus on my army under the fog of war at 21:41, however a move command is issued shortly after.
Here is another replay from another player vs sHAPE:
http://replayfu.com/r/Lnb2Tt
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At 5:40 or so he definitely looks right at where the reaper was then follows him, moving his stalker to intercept. That is strange. It's late, I've been up too long. I'll have a fresh look in the morning, maybe arb will see something I don't in the meantime. Night Liquid.
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On June 20 2011 12:56 Probe1 wrote:
At 5:40 or so he definitely looks right at where the reaper was then follows him, moving his stalker to intercept. That is strange. It's late, I've been up too long. I'll have a fresh look in the morning, maybe arb will see something I don't in the meantime. Night Liquid.
Ill look at the replay you pmed me about when i wake up in the morning, been up tonight doing a bit of raiding and other things.
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Server: North America
Your Name: Selkie
Hacker Name: LadyZerg
Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6427
Description: This is an odd one. As I had won, massive lag starts, and then battle.net tries to drop me. It can't actually drop me though, and I eventually hit surrender after ~5 minutes. This by itself means nothing. However, while it claimed I had no connection, my internet was fine, got ~130-170 latency. Nothing was blocked. By itself, doesn't mean much. However, watching the replay- the lag was in the replay itself. Careful watching it, you're going to get stuck at the end. Lastly, while I can't see the entire match history of my opponent (being diamond), match history claims my opponent has won the past 10 games in a row. I suspect, if a hacker, that the person simply uses a drop hack when he's about to lose.
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Please add the character code to LadyZerg. It would help immensely if we could have a look at the match history ourselves. If you cannot find LadyZergs, then your character code will do.
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On June 20 2011 23:05 Selkie wrote:Server: North America Your Name: Selkie Hacker Name: LadyZerg Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6427Description: This is an odd one. As I had won, massive lag starts, and then battle.net tries to drop me. It can't actually drop me though, and I eventually hit surrender after ~5 minutes. This by itself means nothing. However, while it claimed I had no connection, my internet was fine, got ~130-170 latency. Nothing was blocked. By itself, doesn't mean much. However, watching the replay- the lag was in the replay itself. Careful watching it, you're going to get stuck at the end. Lastly, while I can't see the entire match history of my opponent (being diamond), match history claims my opponent has won the past 10 games in a row. I suspect, if a hacker, that the person simply uses a drop hack when he's about to lose.
Server: North America
Your Name: LaGTTDuckS
Hacker Name: LadyZerg
Replay:
Description: So, nothing too out of ordinary as far as play goes. He accuses me of lag hacking half way in the game (?) and complains about lag towards the beginning after he fails to a move blings into my min line (through john's common knowledge hallway). The game is pretty one sided for the duration of the replay, but then he a-moves into my army and I clean it up no problem. I attempt to counter attack with my force (the bulk of my army survived), then I feel the profuse pain of lag. I wish there was more evidence to prove he actually did this, but two players are reporting it with two replays of winning -> then sudden profuse lag. If it helps, I was able to minimize, check my inet/run browsers perfectly fine with no lag. I just now pulled up his match history and he has NOTHING but wins after a rocky w/l ratio. I'll upload the screen shot and replay in just a few more moments.
EDIT: Uh.. I don't seem to have the replay o.O I think when I minimized and after a few minutes of waiting, I gave up and just force quit sc2, so replay wasn't saved.. (?) that sucks. but here are screen shots anyways:
![[image loading]](http://i51.tinypic.com/281qy52.png)
another after scrolling down a little more:
![[image loading]](http://i55.tinypic.com/159e6g.png)
From these two screen shots, you could infer that he went on a few weeks break. He then came back, from after having a rocky record, with drop hack and the intent of fixing it.
EDIT 2: Blargh, it the screen shots seem to cut off for me. i don't know how to get his character code or anything.
My char code: LaGTTDuckS.621
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I'm Selkie.678
Lol @ two reports in a row being the same XD.
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That's exactly what was needed 
I've seen enough. I personally looked at LadyZerg's match history and all of her games end around the 10 minute mark and the graphs/stats show LadyZerg behind every time her opponent leaves the game. It looks like a drop hack to me.
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Unless I see a replay pack of LadyZerg's win streak I'm convinced that it's a drop hack. All these wins.. all around 10 minutes and all either with LadyZerg behind or at best equal.. No way. There's no way opponents would just walk away like that unless LadyZerg is a smurf for Savior.
I used your character code to add you to my friends list then searched your history to find LadyZergs. Thank you for adding that, it helped convince me.
Edit: We need additional replays as far as I'm concerned. I'll ask arb and Torenhire for their opinions.
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I don't know if this is relevant, but the person running the account is on TL- and according to the blog, there's something fishy about the person as well. (I did a TL search for LadyZerg)
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On June 20 2011 05:48 Probe1 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 20 2011 05:03 infinix wrote:Server: North America Your Name: iNfiniX Hacker Name: BtoYeuGbe Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6343Description: I normally wouldn't care too much about this, but this guy was increasingly BM in chat as well. I was suspicious in game when he had an overseer ready at his base for my DTs as well as he moved a baneling right as my dts came to his base. he did not scout my base at all. After watching the replay there are 2 instances where are incredibly suspicious. He a moved his zerglings across the map directly to where my proxy pylon was, completely unscouted by him. In addition to this, he pulls off 2 lings to find a hidden probe which he again did not scout at all. The replay shows that he moved both times almost on top of my probe/pylon again without any vision, this occurs at abotu 5:20 in the replay. The replay also confirms the super blind dt counter and his response to the dts is also very suspicious. Thank you for your time. This isn't going be an easy one. I suspect he was locking his camera for replays. I need a lot of different reviews on this one. Write up coming soon. + Show Spoiler [First Edit] +
First Edit: Or not soon. I don't want to be presumptious but I think he was hacking. That baneling move was a cherry on top of an already extremely lucky/well played game. But without any obvious FOW peeks I can't just point to a time and say "look at this!".
I think he was looking at his main base hatch way too damn much while not doing anything then reacting to what you are doing with only intuition. I think he was locking his camera. But I can't prove that by myself.
I'm going to write down all of my suspicions and rely on everyone that reads this to disprove or agree with me.
BtoYeuGbe never stares through the FOW suspiciously once during the game. The game starts off normally. BtoYeuGbe drops a rush pool and is scouted, leading to a sealed wall from Protoss. He attempts to bane bust (with too few banelings to kill a pylon) and is denied. The suspicious activity starts here. 5:35 he attack moves the zerglings/baneling outside of Protosses main base twice, once close to a undiscovered proxy pylon and again directly above it. Not near or around. He attack moves directly above it. It's in Johns Common Knowledge hallway and any good player would scout there so this action alone isn't suspicious. 5:36 BtoYeuGbe attack moves a set of zerglings to a hidden probe at the 3oclock base. Again, he has incredibly good scouting intuition. I could be convinced that he saw a pylon in Johns hallway and figured the probe could still be around someplace nearby. Add to this the fact that he guessed right that the scouting probe didn't return to the main before the wall was built. So far very good, master league scouting. 6:09 Protoss puts down a Dark Templar shrine. BtoYeuGbe is looking at his main. . . . 6:20 a lair starts. Pretty big coincidence. Possible though. Then immediately upon lair completion he morphs in an overseer. For the rest of the game he only stays on hatchery army units. The sole purpose of making a lair at that timing was to get an overseer out. So, it is with little doubt that he suspected or he knew that DTs were coming. He could have suspected it, based on sheer intuition and gut alone. I say that because the only time the entire game he scouted the main was with his baneling bust. No drone scout, no overlord sac, not even a ling to poke up the wall. Whole game- only scouting done were attack move orders directly on top of hidden units. In the 9th minute he does something nothing short of miraculous. 9:18 attack moves a baneling to the top of his ramp 9:20 the first shimmer of a DT within his vision 9:21 overseer detects 9:22 two DTs reach top of the ramp and the baneling explodes. He moved a baneling to the top of his ramp, not altogether weird in and of itself. But he did it as soon as DTs entered his natural expansion (having no vision of his natural at the time, and still 0 confirmation that a dark shrine was made) That's some pretty epic star sense. DTs then kill his lings at the watch towers. He immediately moves out with an army+overseer to kill the DTs. 10:04 the DT moves away from the incoming overseer/army approaching the xel naga tower 10:07 the army veers away from the first tower and heads to the farther one to snipe the other DT. Then around 10:30 the DTs, having survived and looped around the side of the map, all the while under FOW start heading directly toward BtoYeuGbe's main base. Upon their course becoming obvious (if you could see them) BtoYeuGbe makes a second overseer in his main and retreats his army. He thwarts the attack again. Now I see things that make me very suspicious. I don't have times yet but this is what I see. BtoYeuGbe stares at his main hatchery. A lot. Way more than I do or any VOD or replay I've seen. Just sits there and watches his drones mine making a few more drones. It leads me to believe that during those times and during the entire match he has been toggling a function on his map hack to lock the camera for the replay. During those seconds he doesn't appear to be doing anything he's actually scouting with his camera everything that's going on in the FOW. I'll update this with the times he went idle but I must say, I'm convinced that there are suspicious circumstances related to his actions. I don't see how I can prove it but it's a little too perfect. Maybe his mechanical/strategic skill ARE far behind his brilliant intuition. Maybe he was just having an off day and played badly but still knew how to read a ZvP beautifully. But I don't think so. I think he was locking his camera and map hacking like all hell. The timings and actions are just too damn cute. I can't prove any of this and I wouldn't be surprised if everyone else echoed that exact sentiment. But I won't say it's indeterminable. Needs review
I've been lurking on TL for a while, and this seems like a good place to actually start participating. I watched the game about 6/7 times from the zerg's point of view, and I tried to think of what might be going through his head at the time. I have some reasonable explanations for why he takes certain actions, but of course, it's just speculation.
There seems to be a disparity between the zerg player's mechanics and his scouting/intuition. I agree 100% that his scouting ability, if not masters level, is certainly beyond his apparent skill level. Sure, it could just be that scouting is his greatest strength, but that's unlikely.
At first, I thought that when the zerg player ran the lings/blings up the ramp, he might have checked the building that was being produced within sight. Had he seen the twilight council, he might have supposed that DTs were on the way. However, he never actually clicks on the building, so he had no way of knowing that it was a twilight council. This leaves him knowing that protoss is on one base and has a zealot and a cannon.
I do find it strange that he sent two lings to the right while sending the rest of them to the hidden pylon, but it's possible that he thought there might be a hidden expo, but that's questionable. There's almost no reason that I could see for sending the rest of his units to the hallway. From his perspective, he may have remembered that a probe passed his ramp to the south at 3:24. Since he had his zerglings stationed outside the enemy ramp, a probe couldn't have possibly gotten in, and it didn't retreat the way it had come. This means that it was almost certainly in the bottom right of the map. Whether or not he might have thought it through like this is a toss up. I would believe it more if his lings found the probe and then he sent his army to the pylon. The way it happened, both groups were sent at almost the same time, and it seems less believable.
As for the overseer, it's entirely possible that he was simply worried about DTs. I remember when I was in a lower league (not that plat is particularly high) I would build cannons or go robo (or both!) every game just so I could have detection in the event of DTs/burrowed roaches/banshees. Sure, it's not an optimal strategy, but you can't suppose that someone who attacks a gateway with 5 banelings expecting it to work will be able to read a DT build with no easy access to the base. Also, soon after the lair goes down, he lays down a roach warren. It's possible that he knew that roach speed (which he later upgrades) required lair, so he started it.
The actions he takes after that can be somewhat explained. He moves out to the towers, and he sees that nothing is there. He realizes that there are still at least 2/3 DTs out there, and he heads back to base. Again, he may have morphed the second overseer out of fear. He takes those DTs out and eventually tries to expand. Protoss moves in, and he's dead.
The one thing I can't really explain is the single baneling at the top of the ramp just as DTs wander in. However, if this is the only evidence that can't easily be explained away, then I don't feel that there's any way he can be certainly labeled a hacker. Blindly staring through the FOW at armies to hard counter them is one thing, but teching to lair and finding hidden units and buildings is another. While it definitely makes me very suspicious, I don't think there's anything conclusive in this replay, aside from his uncanny ability to scout far better than his mechanics suggest he can.
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You're spot on mkfuba07. I can't refute anything you said and unfortunately, for this thread to maintain integrity the burden of proof must be very substantive. The most difficult to prove hacks in my mind are ones that incorporate camera locks because there honestly has to be multiple cases reported on the same user to turn suspicions into anything more.
I still want this labeled as needs review for the remainder of Season 2 just in case he turns up again.
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I appreciate the prompt reviews guys. My only addition I would add is the fact that when he sent out his lings to the probe and pylon, the proximity to which he clicked to the probe and pylon are unbelievable. Those are not standard locations. In addition, you cannot rule that we was simply checking there. ANY masters league player would at minimum queue attack move destinations to scout for proxy buildings.
Despite my belief that he was hacking of some sort. I would agree that he should just be added to the watch list unless it becomes more conclusive. Thanks again for the efforts!
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