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deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
June 12 2011 13:07 GMT
#761
My suggestion for an answer

Q:Should evolution be taught in schools?
A: Yes, because even if you don't agree with the theory, it is still important to understand what it is and why it is such a powerful idea.

Exactly the same reason that children learn about religeon in school.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13427 Posts
June 12 2011 13:11 GMT
#762
Minus points for the motor boat. This is how it's done:
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
Thereisnosaurus
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1822 Posts
June 12 2011 13:14 GMT
#763
I swear to god, if someone put me in front of a camera and then asked me to make motor boat noises as a serious question I'd... do.. something... perhaps question their integrity. Vigorously. With a shovel.

Are they actively *trying* to make these women look like airheads? You have five questions to get to know them as people and they waste half of them asking them questions I wouldn't to ask my ten year old neighbour for fear of getting a raised eyebrow.
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JodoYodo
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1772 Posts
June 12 2011 14:35 GMT
#764
Unfortunately Anna has chosen to support Intelligent Design (according to her Twitter) and I have a lot of problems supporting someone who does not believe in science.
Dance dance dance 'till we run this town!
hicks91
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom50 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 14:41:12
June 12 2011 14:39 GMT
#765
Sorry Anna you just lost my vote for you due to your answer RE: evolution

Here's why:
The clear implication of the question is regarding so called intelligent design, and if evolution is taught in schools why should that be?
Evolution has years of scientific work, evidence, theory and debate behind it. We say this is what we think happened, and here's what we have to support that. Now there are debates within evolution to just how it works and i fully support them being debated but that is higher tier science so wouldn't apply to this question anyway (and that's not what i believe the question is implying anyway)

So called intelligent design has nothing. Nothing at all other than God did it. The most commonly used example that supports it is "Here is a car. it didn't just come into being someone made it ergo the same is true for the universe and life". This of course begs the question who created the creator? But that never seems to be brought up at all.

If parents want to teach their children this rubbish that is up to them, this is not what the question asks it asks whether the government should endorse a theory that is laughable at best and dangerous at worst. We didn't get to where we are today by simply waiting for god to give us an answer, we got here by human ingenuity and we forget that at our own risk.

Good to see you still support esports though

Edit from twitter

"Evolution: I believe in intelligent design, the separation of church & state, & the responsibility of every individual to search for truth."

You can't believe in the separation of church and state and the belief that intelligent design should be taught in schools. Intelligent design is a faith; not a science.
butchji
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1531 Posts
June 12 2011 14:54 GMT
#766
Do Americans honestly still believe that Evolution is something you choose "believing" or not. And when you choose the not that you cease to be a Christian?

(No troll honestly want to know)

The alternative to evolution is that God made a male and a female out of clay right?
Harmen
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands25 Posts
June 12 2011 15:04 GMT
#767
I think there is a rather large misconception of what a theory actually is in science which is why a lot of people seem to think "It's just a theory" and that it means it is something unproven and unsure. A scientific theory is vastly different from a philosophical theory and the two cannot be compared with eachother.

Which is why the whole Intelligent Design v Evolution debate is just rather silly as it is a debate on unequal footing. One is a philosophical theory and the other is scientific.
"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."
sc4k
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 15:05:46
June 12 2011 15:05 GMT
#768
On June 12 2011 23:39 hicks91 wrote:
You can't believe in the separation of church and state and the belief that intelligent design should be taught in schools. Intelligent design is a faith; not a science.


excellent point. Although you can support intelligent design being taught as religious education...
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 12 2011 15:07 GMT
#769
On June 12 2011 23:39 hicks91 wrote:
Sorry Anna you just lost my vote for you due to your answer RE: evolution

Here's why:
The clear implication of the question is regarding so called intelligent design, and if evolution is taught in schools why should that be?
Evolution has years of scientific work, evidence, theory and debate behind it. We say this is what we think happened, and here's what we have to support that. Now there are debates within evolution to just how it works and i fully support them being debated but that is higher tier science so wouldn't apply to this question anyway (and that's not what i believe the question is implying anyway)

So called intelligent design has nothing. Nothing at all other than God did it. The most commonly used example that supports it is "Here is a car. it didn't just come into being someone made it ergo the same is true for the universe and life". This of course begs the question who created the creator? But that never seems to be brought up at all.

If parents want to teach their children this rubbish that is up to them, this is not what the question asks it asks whether the government should endorse a theory that is laughable at best and dangerous at worst. We didn't get to where we are today by simply waiting for god to give us an answer, we got here by human ingenuity and we forget that at our own risk.

Good to see you still support esports though

Edit from twitter

"Evolution: I believe in intelligent design, the separation of church & state, & the responsibility of every individual to search for truth."

You can't believe in the separation of church and state and the belief that intelligent design should be taught in schools. Intelligent design is a faith; not a science.


Not to butcher your point, but...we got to where we are in science largely driven by the belief in God; you really should read some primary sources before you spill out that statement of "by human ingenuity". While I don't respect intelligent design as a science, I do respect Anna's response in the search for truth by each individual especially since science these days shares many of the "negative" characteristics of religion.

PS - I don't mean science is inspired by God either, I mean literally built on the belief of God's existence.
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SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
June 12 2011 15:09 GMT
#770
On June 07 2011 07:10 Humdrum wrote:
Sorry Anna, I voted for Georgia out of pure instinct. I don't know what happened. Pretty sure I just blacked out from hotness. Seriously, she shouldn't be allowed to walk near traffic to prevent a chain of car accidents.

That is a babe. She makes me feel kinda funny, like when we used to climb the rope in gym class.

She's magically babelicious.

She tested very high on the stroke-ability scale.

She's a fox. In French she would be called "la renarde" and she would be hunted with only her cunning to protect her.

She's a robo-babe. In Latin she would be called "babia majora".

If she were a president she would be Baberaham Lincoln.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
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Harmen
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands25 Posts
June 12 2011 15:11 GMT
#771
On June 13 2011 00:07 Judicator wrote:

Not to butcher your point, but...we got to where we are in science largely driven by the belief in God; you really should read some primary sources before you spill out that statement of "by human ingenuity". While I don't respect intelligent design as a science, I do respect Anna's response in the search for truth by each individual especially since science these days shares many of the "negative" characteristics of religion.

PS - I don't mean science is inspired by God either, I mean literally built on the belief of God's existence.


Could you give some concrete examples of scientific breakthroughs driven by the belief in God specifically? And I assume you mean the Judeo-Christian God here?
"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."
hicks91
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom50 Posts
June 12 2011 15:15 GMT
#772
On June 13 2011 00:07 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2011 23:39 hicks91 wrote:
Sorry Anna you just lost my vote for you due to your answer RE: evolution

Here's why:
The clear implication of the question is regarding so called intelligent design, and if evolution is taught in schools why should that be?
Evolution has years of scientific work, evidence, theory and debate behind it. We say this is what we think happened, and here's what we have to support that. Now there are debates within evolution to just how it works and i fully support them being debated but that is higher tier science so wouldn't apply to this question anyway (and that's not what i believe the question is implying anyway)

So called intelligent design has nothing. Nothing at all other than God did it. The most commonly used example that supports it is "Here is a car. it didn't just come into being someone made it ergo the same is true for the universe and life". This of course begs the question who created the creator? But that never seems to be brought up at all.

If parents want to teach their children this rubbish that is up to them, this is not what the question asks it asks whether the government should endorse a theory that is laughable at best and dangerous at worst. We didn't get to where we are today by simply waiting for god to give us an answer, we got here by human ingenuity and we forget that at our own risk.

Good to see you still support esports though

Edit from twitter

"Evolution: I believe in intelligent design, the separation of church & state, & the responsibility of every individual to search for truth."

You can't believe in the separation of church and state and the belief that intelligent design should be taught in schools. Intelligent design is a faith; not a science.


Not to butcher your point, but...we got to where we are in science largely driven by the belief in God; you really should read some primary sources before you spill out that statement of "by human ingenuity". While I don't respect intelligent design as a science, I do respect Anna's response in the search for truth by each individual especially since science these days shares many of the "negative" characteristics of religion.

PS - I don't mean science is inspired by God either, I mean literally built on the belief of God's existence.


I'm not denying that religion wasn't mans first attempt to try and understand the world around them, it will always have the advantage of having come first but the rest of your point is tosh.
Religion has actively resisted science throughout history because it can't do what science can: show results.
I would love you to give me examples of where scientists have achieved what they have because of God, and not because of the scientific method.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 15:22:33
June 12 2011 15:22 GMT
#773
I wonder if Anna was serious with her answer about evolution, or if she just wants to keep the votes from religious people. But honestly: how can you talk about this as an option and be positive for other options to be taught at school. this is just crazy. From all what I have seen from Anna I always got the impression that she is an intelligent person, but this .. I dont know where to put this. : / I hope she clarifies when all the Miss USA stuff is over.
keep it deep! @zulison
hicks91
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom50 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 15:25:42
June 12 2011 15:25 GMT
#774
On June 13 2011 00:22 zul wrote:
I wonder if Anna was serious with her answer about evolution, or if she just wants to keep the votes from religious people.


So she's either a creationist,or unprincipled.
Neither of them are good things to be
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
June 12 2011 15:51 GMT
#775
Normally I would support an esport person but Intelligent Design wtf. That's not even funny, that's just sad...

Even tho the USA in general has a high amount of creationists + Show Spoiler [example poll] +
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and an extraordinarily vocal one ( in Germany you don't see politicians or others state they believe in something as stupid as creationism and fundamentalist churches have little to no influence on politic/society), for me it's no excuse to be as ignorant as everybody else.
Can't support her because of this, sorry.
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EtohEtoh
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada669 Posts
June 12 2011 16:16 GMT
#776
wow, i've always thought Intelligent Design was just one of those crazy theories by a crazy religious nut, similar to harold camping's apocalypse. didn't know it was so popular in the states
that's a real shame
MaxwellE
Profile Joined April 2010
England229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-12 16:26:48
June 12 2011 16:24 GMT
#777
On June 13 2011 00:22 zul wrote:
I wonder if Anna was serious with her answer about evolution, or if she just wants to keep the votes from religious people. But honestly: how can you talk about this as an option and be positive for other options to be taught at school. this is just crazy. From all what I have seen from Anna I always got the impression that she is an intelligent person, but this .. I dont know where to put this. : / I hope she clarifies when all the Miss USA stuff is over.


Sounded to me like the most diplomatic answer she could give, trying not to alienate a huge part of the American population.


Edit: woop nvm saw her twitter.
Ejohrik
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden219 Posts
June 12 2011 16:29 GMT
#778
I don't feel this is the thread to discuss religion or beliefs.
StifSokSamurai
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States120 Posts
June 12 2011 16:33 GMT
#779
On June 13 2011 01:29 Ejohrik wrote:
I don't feel this is the thread to discuss religion or beliefs.

Agreed I jumped to this page to see how the voting was going and was disappointed in the most recent thread responders.
hicks91
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom50 Posts
June 12 2011 16:37 GMT
#780
On June 13 2011 01:33 StifSokSamurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 01:29 Ejohrik wrote:
I don't feel this is the thread to discuss religion or beliefs.

Agreed I jumped to this page to see how the voting was going and was disappointed in the most recent thread responders.


Why?
Like it or not this is part of the tournament and if she makes a comment we are allowed to respond to it in a polite way.
We as team liquid members represent a fair ole chunk of her support base, and she may like the feedback perhaps?

I was only going to vote in this in the first place for anna, it is a horribly sexist and backwards competition anyway.
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