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Hello, all!

It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.

Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.

Thanks,

Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST.
Stirbend
Profile Joined October 2010
United States45 Posts
May 07 2011 22:00 GMT
#61
So was cruncher actually ghosting or does IdrA just supsect it?
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
May 07 2011 22:00 GMT
#62
On May 08 2011 06:59 shmee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 06:55 Chill wrote:
On May 08 2011 06:53 shmee wrote:
I completely understand banning idra for his incendiary behavior, but has Team Liquid taken any action to punish Cruncher for ghosting idra's stream, which was the thing that started this whole mess? Does teamliquid have any kind of statement in regards to that?

There's nothing wrong with joining the ladder at the same time as someone else. What action could we possibly take against that?


So if you were streaming, and you got matched up against idra, and he magically knew everything you were doing only to find out later that he was checking your stream to see everything you were doing, you wouldn't have any problem with that?

No.
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Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
May 07 2011 22:00 GMT
#63
On May 08 2011 06:52 vict1019 wrote:
Whats wrong with telling people to confront moderators if they're banned? When someone tells the masses to write a letter to their congressman because they're upset with something they should be "banned"?


Idra confronting the mods and admins privately trying to reverse his ban is one thing. Idra sending all his twitter followers to spam Chill's PM box is another thing entirely. 90 day ban is just another favor they gave to Idra instead of banning him permanently. It's really only a matter of time till he's gone for good with the way his ego has exploded this past year.
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artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
May 07 2011 22:00 GMT
#64
Glad to see the admin keeping things in order.
Kamatari
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
165 Posts
May 07 2011 22:00 GMT
#65
I think the fact that people were getting temporarily banned for questioning the mods decisions gave idra some support.
Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
May 07 2011 22:00 GMT
#66
On May 08 2011 06:55 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 06:54 Thermia wrote:
I'm not sure it's the best policy to ban people for things they do off the site, but I guess it's *somewhat* justified since the mods asked if he regretted saying things/won't change his behavior. Although, let's be real here, I don't think anyone at all expected a different answer to those questions. It seems like Idra has a history of making insulting posts, being temp banned (sometimes with a snide or possibly rude comment from the mod doing it), and then Idra insulting said mod when he is back. It just creates a cycle that Idra doesn't care to break, and TL cannot break because it would compromise their forum standards

TL has a history of banning people for things they do off the site. Combat-Ex was banned for harassing Incontrol on SC2. 4 people were banned for leaving someone stranded at a lan.


Well, I suppose that as long it's consistent, it's okay. Glad to see TL is consistent in their actions as always. Somewhat unrelated, but why ban people for leaving someone at a lan; did they just ditch the other guy or what?
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Dispersion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Korea (South)504 Posts
May 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#67
On May 08 2011 06:56 Sc2ttyl wrote:
Its pathetic that you all are saying "he deserves it" "i wish he would grow up"... IdrA acts the way he does because of people like you all (americans) who think they are good at this game. You all are really not, just look at koreans, they actually know what they are doing. After adoring IdrA's stream for a long time now, i really do realize what he means... US "pros" are no where near the level of koreans. IdrA actually laughed during one of his streams playing these "top players" on ladder because of their terrible decision making. The only reason they are here at all (US Pros) is becuase of the uber popularity of sc2. Sc2 is popular for the exact reason that its "easy" to get a high level with MUCH less effort than scBW. None of these players could even touch some renowned veteran in SCBW like Flash or Jaedong. IdrA is the only player from the US who is allowd to say that he is good because he really knows what hes doing. I love all these people on there forums who think they know better and then go back and ladder on their accounts and think they are good. Go try BW and then see how good you are... oh wait, you didnt because it wasnt easy to macro/mico


IdrA I understand you bro, dont think everyone is stupid because I realize what you say and back you up 100%. Just laugh at all these people while you get rich playing this game and win out in the long run. I dont see anybody from the U.S in the gsl...


Holy US flaming Batman!! I wouldn't recommend attacking an entire country on this forum. There are plenty of talented players in the US, but a LOT of them don't play on ladder because quite frankly, a good portion of the top 200 aren't professionals, they aren't good.

Obviously there are players from the US who can beat Koreans, but the gap will close eventually (if it hasn't already) where the US pros are on the same level as the Korean professionals.

tl;dr don't flame a country because they like to say they're better. Leave it on Metalopolis, or B.net's forums.

Sincerely,

An IdrA fan.
Don't worry. Taht's just Halo
overshard
Profile Joined November 2010
United States45 Posts
May 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#68
On May 08 2011 06:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Idra's stream will still be listed in the stream section. Our stream list is an informational resource much like the TLPD, Calendar, or Liquipedia. We believe for these resources to function properly, they must be comprehensive and complete and thus we do not remove banned pro players from them.


Seems completely reasonable as long as the streams and such continue to be listed. IdrA is and always will be epic BM, it's what he does, and TL has the right to ban epic BM from their forums. It just upsets me when good players are completely pushed off a community site. Still keeping the stream and such is the right thing to do in this case.
staxringold
Profile Joined October 2010
United States173 Posts
May 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#69
On May 08 2011 06:59 shmee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 06:55 Chill wrote:
On May 08 2011 06:53 shmee wrote:
I completely understand banning idra for his incendiary behavior, but has Team Liquid taken any action to punish Cruncher for ghosting idra's stream, which was the thing that started this whole mess? Does teamliquid have any kind of statement in regards to that?

There's nothing wrong with joining the ladder at the same time as someone else. What action could we possibly take against that?


So if you were streaming, and you got matched up against idra, and he magically knew everything you were doing only to find out later that he was checking your stream to see everything you were doing, you wouldn't have any problem with that?

You didn't answer Chill's question. Having a problem with X is very different from suggesting it gives you a shield against bannage or anything. This ban seems, at least as I read it, to be true regardless of how you feel about the original ban. If you stab someone in prison you get convicted of that crime whether or not you deserved to be in jail in the first place.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#70
On May 08 2011 06:56 Sc2ttyl wrote:
Its pathetic that you all are saying "he deserves it" "i wish he would grow up"... IdrA acts the way he does because of people like you all (americans) who think they are good at this game. You all are really not, just look at koreans, they actually know what they are doing. After adoring IdrA's stream for a long time now, i really do realize what he means... US "pros" are no where near the level of koreans. IdrA actually laughed during one of his streams playing these "top players" on ladder because of their terrible decision making. The only reason they are here at all (US Pros) is becuase of the uber popularity of sc2. Sc2 is popular for the exact reason that its "easy" to get a high level with MUCH less effort than scBW. None of these players could even touch some renowned veteran in SCBW like Flash or Jaedong. IdrA is the only player from the US who is allowd to say that he is good because he really knows what hes doing. I love all these people on there forums who think they know better and then go back and ladder on their accounts and think they are good. Go try BW and then see how good you are... oh wait, you didnt because it wasnt easy to macro/mico


IdrA I understand you bro, dont think everyone is stupid because I realize what you say and back you up 100%. Just laugh at all these people while you get rich playing this game and win out in the long run. I dont see anybody from the U.S in the gsl...


Oh come on. He is a great player, but its not like he is completely dominating the NA scene. He is like this because he thinks he is the greatest thing out there, and he's not. Anyone who ever beats Idra is only because they play Protoss or Terran. Thats how it works in his mind and its just so wrong.
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andrewnguyener
Profile Joined March 2011
United States548 Posts
May 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#71
i agree on this extended ban of Idra if he asked his twitter followers to spam. there should be respect towards the staff.
Nostrap
Profile Joined May 2010
United States21 Posts
May 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#72
I just get the feeling that being banned doesn't really upset IdrA as much as it does his fans who want to see him participate in the community.
Monsieur
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada71 Posts
May 07 2011 22:01 GMT
#73
talk about it good, talk about it bad, but talk about it. still I wish IdrA could grown up a little. but on the other side, Chill got the entire TL to back him up so its like 100 vs 1. like, they could have just work something out like gentlemen. it make the community looks like princess...i mean cmon guys were all adult it could have been solved without a big comotion, get over with, and get back to the GAMUUUUUUUUUUUU!! all we want is GAMUUUUUUUUUUUU!!
Your tears taste so good! :)
Penecks
Profile Joined August 2010
United States600 Posts
May 07 2011 22:02 GMT
#74
We spoke with Idra and he stated that he does not regret his actions and will not change his behavior on our forums. Thus, we've decided to ban him for 90 days.


Was the ban length influenced by this conversation? Would the ban have been lifted or revoked if he had apologized?
straight poppin
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
May 07 2011 22:02 GMT
#75
On May 08 2011 07:02 Penecks wrote:
Show nested quote +
We spoke with Idra and he stated that he does not regret his actions and will not change his behavior on our forums. Thus, we've decided to ban him for 90 days.


Was the ban length influenced by this conversation? Would the ban have been lifted or revoked if he had apologized?

Yes.
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[-]Ocelot[-]
Profile Joined February 2006
United States256 Posts
May 07 2011 22:02 GMT
#76
Well, as unfortunate as it is, I think he should have gotten at least a month long ban from the get-go (or rather, after so many strikes, each additional strike should carry at least a month ban).

And this is coming from a big IdrA fan.. I respect his play, but his disregard for rules is unacceptable.
Who Dares Wins
Monolithic-
Profile Joined February 2011
United States83 Posts
May 07 2011 22:02 GMT
#77
This is useless. The 2 day ban was reasonable but this seems like it was done purely out of spite.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
May 07 2011 22:02 GMT
#78
On May 08 2011 06:56 Sc2ttyl wrote:
Its pathetic that you all are saying "he deserves it" "i wish he would grow up"... IdrA acts the way he does because of people like you all (americans) who think they are good at this game. You all are really not, just look at koreans, they actually know what they are doing. After adoring IdrA's stream for a long time now, i really do realize what he means... US "pros" are no where near the level of koreans. IdrA actually laughed during one of his streams playing these "top players" on ladder because of their terrible decision making. The only reason they are here at all (US Pros) is becuase of the uber popularity of sc2. Sc2 is popular for the exact reason that its "easy" to get a high level with MUCH less effort than scBW. None of these players could even touch some renowned veteran in SCBW like Flash or Jaedong. IdrA is the only player from the US who is allowd to say that he is good because he really knows what hes doing. I love all these people on there forums who think they know better and then go back and ladder on their accounts and think they are good. Go try BW and then see how good you are... oh wait, you didnt because it wasnt easy to macro/mico


IdrA I understand you bro, dont think everyone is stupid because I realize what you say and back you up 100%. Just laugh at all these people while you get rich playing this game and win out in the long run. I dont see anybody from the U.S in the gsl...


you could have just posted a picture of you with Idra's cock in your mouth. would have amounted to the same thing.

User was warned for this post
artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
May 07 2011 22:02 GMT
#79
On May 08 2011 06:54 Megaliskuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 06:53 shmee wrote:
I completely understand banning idra for his incendiary behavior, but has Team Liquid taken any action to punish Cruncher for ghosting idra's stream, which was the thing that started this whole mess? Does teamliquid have any kind of statement in regards to that?


Ignoring it was much more convenient.


Ignoring what? Chill and other mods have already stated that watching someone's stream to try to match up with them on ladder is fully acceptable.

Cruncher didn't stream cheat. Everyone watching his stream could see that plain as day. Idra lost because he played the same predictable build that Cruncher had been studying.
Pokedude1013
Profile Joined August 2010
116 Posts
May 07 2011 22:03 GMT
#80

well I hope he starts streaming again at some point
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