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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 09 2011 11:23 ronpaul012 wrote:
I guess my questions would be is there an appeals process for bans at all? If yes, then his actions did deserve this and he should have just appealed the ban, if not then I can understand how he would ask his fans to get tl administration attention
trust me, idra is well aware there is no appeals process for bans. I know TL pretty well, that very idea of appeals makes me chuckle.
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On May 09 2011 11:20 Rotodyne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 11:16 dan1mal wrote:
idra fightiiiing, honestly pretty bm to ban him imo... If I put the same thing on my twitter i wudnt get a 90 day ban either no shit, because no one follows your twitter. and you don't have an army of rabidly insane fans. I like to see idra win vs. other people every once in a while, but jesus christ his new sc2 fans are fucking nuts (overall, not just you)
I was going to post something similar, i read just about every post and it seems like only people with under 100 posts are getting banned while the rest remain civil, i can't understand why these people think acting like idra did is ok on the forums here, it maybe the internet but remain civil even if you don't agree with the ban.
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On May 09 2011 11:24 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 11:07 Sandster wrote:
Greg is such a sad human being. He was a great BW player who had questionable manner compared to many of the other top-level foreigners (whitera, draco, sen, mondragon, etc). His transformation over the last couple of years is almost sickening...who are his genuine friends? I don't know his personal life, but it appears that all he has is sc2 at this point, and I'm guessing he's going to have a harder and harder time finding practice partners as he further alienates the community. His actually a pretty awesome fellow on his stream, and on state of the game. His got a plethora of friends that respect him, and he alienates people that disrespects him first. If you don't put effort towards him, he'll throw it back in your face. It's hardly ever IdrA that initiates the BM now, beta and a few months after he was totally different as to what he is now. And you call him a sad human being flaming, so you're stooping on the same level as the person who you're despising now? Good work.
I don't despise him, I'm simply saying that lifestyle would suck (hence is sad). It's not the flaming, it's the fact that that he has to hold on to his skill and success at sc2 because he's got very little else in his life.
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On May 09 2011 11:25 Rotodyne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 11:23 ronpaul012 wrote:
I guess my questions would be is there an appeals process for bans at all? If yes, then his actions did deserve this and he should have just appealed the ban, if not then I can understand how he would ask his fans to get tl administration attention
trust me, idra is well aware there is no appeals process for bans. I know TL pretty well, that very idea of appeals makes me chuckle.
Thats really too bad they don't. Because a ban like this I really feel would deserve a second look. I have to imagine that Idra said some things when they were talking to him in private, because his tweet wasn't that bad really. He didn't say bm Chill or annoy him, but he just asked people to message him if they thought it was wrong. I have a strong feeling we don't know all of the story...
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Honestly, the fact that Idra can't post on TL isn't anything new, he's probally been banned the most times in the entire history of TL.
He can still stream, he chose not to. This is not TL's fault. People asking for them to give him some slack, they have, ANY OTHER FORUM MEMBER would have been permabanned YEARS ago.
If you really can't stand not having any Idra, go watch the EG Masters Cup and upcoming NASL broadcasts.
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Is there some off chance that in the future he might get permanently banned....again?
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On May 09 2011 11:29 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 11:24 MonkSEA wrote:On May 09 2011 11:07 Sandster wrote:
Greg is such a sad human being. He was a great BW player who had questionable manner compared to many of the other top-level foreigners (whitera, draco, sen, mondragon, etc). His transformation over the last couple of years is almost sickening...who are his genuine friends? I don't know his personal life, but it appears that all he has is sc2 at this point, and I'm guessing he's going to have a harder and harder time finding practice partners as he further alienates the community. His actually a pretty awesome fellow on his stream, and on state of the game. His got a plethora of friends that respect him, and he alienates people that disrespects him first. If you don't put effort towards him, he'll throw it back in your face. It's hardly ever IdrA that initiates the BM now, beta and a few months after he was totally different as to what he is now. And you call him a sad human being flaming, so you're stooping on the same level as the person who you're despising now? Good work. I don't despise him, I'm simply saying that lifestyle would suck (hence is sad). It's not the flaming, it's the fact that that he has to hold on to his skill and success at sc2 because he's got very little else in his life.
yeah i'm sure that stipend for studying physics makes him incredibly sad....
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eh well idrA is going to be dominated by PainUser today at NASL; this is just a pre-emptive act to steer away his loser rage trash from the boards.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 09 2011 11:29 torch_hopeture wrote:FakeSteve[TPR] you seems like an awesome friend who values Idra's behavior on some internet forum/site over friendship itself. To put it in prespective, if you have a long time friend (10+ years) who says to you - "enough if enough" because you are harsh/bm to some players/admins on internet forum its actually absurd. Oh ye, a real friend would also never post what you did in a first place, u are a random "good buddy" at best Show nested quote +
Honestly to me this is about the moderators saying to Idra that they can shit on him if they want to and he can't do anything about it, it is out of spite. You want Idra to kiss your ass and he isn't, so you ban him? Very poor decision in my opinion.
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This is not, has never been, and will never be the basis for moderation decisions on TL.
It for sure did in some certain way in Idra's case. It's extremely obvious that Idra thought that 2day ban was absurd and unjustified. And then admins message him asking to apologize, which in this situation is really just a childish provoke to justify a longer ban.The whole thing is just a dick waving contest that TL cant let go off. As George Carlin would have said - "What, Idra has a bigger dick? BAN him" Correct and "adult" thing to do would have been just editing Idra's post about Cruncher if admins find it inappropriate and pm'ing him and actually asking just to keep such opinions to his streams/twitter etc. But nope, since it boils down to "Hey, respect our power, we have bigger dicks" - it turned out just like it did. The ban accomplishes exactly nothing, its just a showoff and a publicity stuns to please a lynch mob who are "sick of Idra". Everyone knows that Idra is gonna stay the same regardless, so either ban him permanently to satisfy your ego or just stop the dick waving and start editing/deleting his posts when they cross your imaginary line of "acceptable" . ps. Also, stop trying to play "justice is blind" card when the double standards are off the chart. Posts like these - Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 06:33 niteReloaded wrote:
Idra is immature as fuck, and then when he acts like a brat and shows it he's still somehow proud that "he speaks his mind".
Well dear Greg, it's nice that you speak your mind, but it'd be even better if your mind, or should I say emotional maturity level wasn't terribly reminiscent to that of a 8 year old.
You guys need to permaban him, who cares if he's a good SC2 player, he's a shitty human.
User was warned for this post And - Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 23:16 Samurai- wrote:typical little boy who got beaten in school a lot.. Always strong on the internet, but when you meet him IRL, he is scared to even look at you  Imo he should just get perm. banned, in sport you must show respect towards people u play against, and he has zero.. He doesnt deserve to be called a pro player.. He is just a little boy who cant deal with defeat, and goes to insult people around. On the internet ofcourse He is like a cat.. U cant let them stop pissing, and the same way idra never learns just fly by without problems.A warning for one, nothing at all for other. Justice is blind for sure.
Did you not read the OP? Specifically this:
"Reason: A few days ago, one of our moderators (Chill) banned Idra for 2 days. After the ban, Idra encouraged his fans, through twitter, to harass and spam him on TL.
We spoke with Idra and he stated that he does not regret his actions and will not change his behavior on our forums. Thus, we've decided to ban him for 90 days. Regardless of whether he felt the 2-day ban was justified or not, we cannot tolerate a forum user publicly encouraging harassment of our moderators. "
Firstly, they extension wasn't because of the 2 day ban incident, but because of his tweet. Secondly, it was more than just not apologizing, he said he wouldn't change his behavior on the forums, why wouldn't you ban someone that freely admits that they will continue posting shit?
As for why someone got warned in one of your quotes and not the other, they are over 6 hours apart, meaning most likely the mod that warned one didn't even see the other. Maybe NO mod saw the unwarned one, it is a thread of over 115 pages.....of-course some horrible posts will slip through the mods fingers, the mods aren't all powerful.
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On May 09 2011 11:24 MonkSEA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 11:07 Sandster wrote:
Greg is such a sad human being. He was a great BW player who had questionable manner compared to many of the other top-level foreigners (whitera, draco, sen, mondragon, etc). His transformation over the last couple of years is almost sickening...who are his genuine friends? I don't know his personal life, but it appears that all he has is sc2 at this point, and I'm guessing he's going to have a harder and harder time finding practice partners as he further alienates the community. His actually a pretty awesome fellow on his stream, and on state of the game. His got a plethora of friends that respect him, and he alienates people that disrespects him first. If you don't put effort towards him, he'll throw it back in your face. It's hardly ever IdrA that initiates the BM now, beta and a few months after he was totally different as to what he is now. And you call him a sad human being flaming, so you're stooping on the same level as the person who you're despising now? Good work.
I'm not sure, I've seen this Idra you speak of. The only one I've seen is a fellow for whom there is no such thing as a good Terran or Protoss player- the whole Cruncher-Idra 'rivalry' began as far as I remember with Idra saying in a pre-game interview that he would wipe the floor, course then he goes and loses to Cruncher. That's the Idra I know. Sure some of that Korean rivalry stuff was initiated by Koreans. But mostly Idra talks smack all the time. Have you ever heard him praise anyone that wasn't Zerg? And even among Zerg, his praise is few. Some may call it confidence, but I'll call it arrogance.
He's good, I'll give him that. But he's not nearly as good as his talk would have you believe.
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If you want to make sc2 as popular in foreign countries as it is in Korea then I think you have to support the ban on Idra.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18763_5-insane-true-facts-about-starcraft-professional-sport_p2.html
Although Idra deserves recognition and praise for his skill as a player he still needs to be held accountable for his actions and behavior as a person. The article above is from a fairly popular site and in my opinion it shows an unfortunate and I hope overall minor side of SC2. Scroll to the bottom of the article and you will see Idra, his bm and his picture which I don't think help SC2 at all; Idra gives a negative stigma to SC2 players.
I wish the article showed the good side of SC2 like how most of the players are well mannered, intelligent and courteous to each other (whitera, tlo, day9, incontrol, and boxer to name a few).
If you want SC2 and esports in general to become popular among the populace then we as a community can't allow our representative players to act like this; they stand not only for themselves but for us as well. When random people catch a glimpse of SC2 whether it be article, stream, youtube, or right here on TL, would you want them to see something on a person like Idra or a person like day9?
TLDR:
SC2 has potential to break ground on making esports popular among the general public in foreign countries but if they see people like Idra and his actions it associates a negative image to SC2 and all of its players and hurts esports in general. We need the general public to see the good side of SC2 people like whitera, tlo, day9, incontrol, and boxer.
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What I do not understand is, why does there need to be some discussion about Idra's ban? If he fucked up and justifiably so ended up banned, that's it. No discussion needs to be had tbh.
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Very significant post by FakeSteve there. At times it really did seem like Idra got the benefit of the doubt here, which was somewhat understandable I guess. I suppose you can't expect the newer users to really get it without some history, which I hope they've learned from this thread (either through reading good posts like that one, or by seeing how easy it can be to get banned).
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There was an incident at my country. A girl wrote at her facebook page that she hates her teacher. Teacher found out and expeled the girl from the school. It was a big mess and after all they fired the teacher. You know why? Because that is not freedom of speach. That is not democracy. Everyone has his own opinion and not letting them expresing it takes us many years behind.Thats what the judge said at court. Now this reminded me of that incident. I believe one should write whatever he wants on his tweeter or on his facebook as long as its not insulting but even if it is insulting its his opinion and its his page. Apart from that i understand that some1 must inforce the rules of the forum so it runs smoothly for everyone but keep in mind that now you guys have to do with a lot of people. You descisions will affect alot of people and will bring all kinds of reactions. Of course you want to protect your volunteers and admins but not when someone is wrong. I believe chills made a mistake. Thats my opinion please dont ban... No joking but seriusly u ban idra based on what he wrote on some other site but u dont do anything to Cruncher that steals threw your site and he admits it. Not only that but he provokes idra into making these comments wich leads us to this situation. It is never never never 1 mans fault on an argument. Trust me never. I dont care about idra, i dont care abour cruncher i dont care about chill. I am at nobodys side but in my opinion this is unfair. And there is absolutly no way a forum site can dictate what i write or state at my own tweeter or facebook. . .
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This wouldn't even require a seperate thread if Idra fans weren't such stalkers for whatever reason.
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On May 09 2011 11:51 Voldron wrote:
There was an incident at my country. A girl wrote at her facebook page that she hates her teacher. Teacher found out and expeled the girl from the school. It was a big mess and after all they fired the teacher. You know why? Because that is not freedom of speach. That is not democracy. Everyone has his own opinion and not letting them expresing it takes us many years behind.Thats what the judge said at court. Now this reminded me of that incident. I believe one should write whatever he wants on his tweeter or on his facebook as long as its not insulting but even if it is insulting its his opinion and its his page. Apart from that i understand that some1 must inforce the rules of the forum so it runs smoothly for everyone but keep in mind that now you guys have to do with a lot of people. You descisions will affect alot of people and will bring all kinds of reactions. Of course you want to protect your volunteers and admins but not when someone is wrong. I believe chills made a mistake. Thats my opinion please dont ban... No joking but seriusly u ban idra based on what he wrote on some other site but u dont do anything to Cruncher that steals threw your site and he admits it. Not only that but he provokes idra into making these comments wich leads us to this situation. It is never never never 1 mans fault on an argument. Trust me never. I dont care about idra, i dont care abour cruncher i dont care about chill. I am at nobodys side but in my opinion this is unfair. And there is absolutly no way a forum site can dictate what i write or state at my own tweeter or facebook. . .
Then maybe you should read the post to get some context? The mods don't care what anybody writes on their Twitter. However, if they come here and declare that they will not stop their terrible behavior, then an action will be taken.
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Eh, good reply fakesteve, I guess your right, I will say I started watching Idras stream with commentary and I think its the best starcraft 2 content, period. I find it highly entertaining, hilarious, and very educational, anything getting in the way of him streaming more... ugh.
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