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Don't post in this thread to say "gay gamers are like everyone else, why do they have a special thread?" It is something that has been posted numerous times, and this isn't the place for that discussion. For regular posters, don't quote the trolls. | ||
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RoMGraViTy
United States314 Posts
On January 01 2013 13:48 TotalBalanceSC2 wrote: I'm gay. well that is last years resolution completed with 11 minutes left in the year. But you made it! Mission Accomplished :D | ||
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Drekkonis
Canada286 Posts
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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fugs
United States135 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On January 10 2013 01:33 fugs wrote: Don't you just love it when your work changes insurances on you and the insurance they chose doesn't cover gender reassignment surgery but the one you had before did? Shame there's nothing to jump off of in my town >,> yikes, that sucks. | ||
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Butterednuts
United States859 Posts
On December 29 2012 15:24 Roe wrote: There really are a lot of new people. Last time I checked in the IRC maybe half were names I didn't know Is there a GTL specific IRC? | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
yes, #gteamliquid on quakenet irc | ||
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Koupe26
United States1 Post
User was warned for this post | ||
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razor8900
4 Posts
On January 10 2013 06:53 Koupe26 wrote: This thread is ridiculous. Coming from a person that strongly supports gay rights, why must there be a special thread for gay sc2 players? Would it make any sense if someone made a thread called "Straight SC2 Players"? , of course not. One of the biggest reasons there are still people not in support of gay rights is because many gay people feel like they deserve some sort of recognition for being gay, as if I'm supposed to say "congratulations" when someone tells me they're gay. I'm really trying not to make any enemies here, but just think about the true reasons why this thread needs to exist. User was warned for this post It has nothing to do with telling anyone other than gay starcraft players that there is a community for them here. Unless people wanna come here and ask questions, which most of us are perfectly fine with. Personally, I just re-discovered this thread yesterday and it's been an awesome read. There isn't a "Straight SC2 Players" thread because you assume everyone else you're playing this game with is straight. It's essentially equivalent to the entirety of TL being under a larger forum post with the title "Straight SC2 Players" | ||
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Axero
United States307 Posts
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Lakarah
Canada29 Posts
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SickeL
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
Now, I think this says more about the ambiguity of cultural gender construction than actual sexuality (eg, 'feminine' has nothing inherently to do with women), but the oddity remains. So I was wondering whether this is acknowledged in the gay community that much, whether there's a recognized distinction between men who are physically attracted to the male body, but like a more 'feminine' partner (again, just using this to express a lot of the traits typically associated with heteronormative women,), men who aren't particularly physically attracted to other men but are intensely attracted to 'masculinity' which overrides physical attraction for sexual partner preference, and men who are attracted to masculinity and the male body both. To me these seem like entirely different sexual orientations and it feels like all three can be used to define 'gay' with examples from culture and history. Ultimately my concern is that even within the gay community tensions and misunderstandings may occur because of these differing ideas of what homosexuality actually means to each person internally. I've heard of terms like MWHSM that might be an attempt to differentiate, but I've never found any solid source of information on the subtleties. | ||
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Troxle
United States486 Posts
On January 11 2013 09:33 SickeL wrote: Hi, asexual player here; kind of disappointed that we don't get more representation; but I like your cause! Hwaiting! I used to identify as asexual myself! But that was before I realized its cause I couldn't picture myself as a male. If I remember though, asexuality is even more statistically rare to occur then bein' trans? I might be wrong, but I thought I read that. Kind of glad to see someone post about it though, brings more awareness!  | ||
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Drekkonis
Canada286 Posts
New and Old, its time to start our new year with a HoTs sweaty bang! (see what I did there?) If you been posting, lurking or even just curious what its like to play some Starcraft with other GLBTQ Starcraft 2 players, this is a good opportunity. A heart of the swarm GTL tournament is here! Come to irc to discuss it. Details: GTL Members Double elimination 1v1 HoTS Tournament Game: Starcraft 2 - Heart of the Swarm Beta Date: 20th Jan Time: 21:00 GMT / 16:00 EST Round 1: Bo3 Round 2: Bo3 Semi-Finals: Bo5 Finals: Bo5 Grand Final: Bo7 Streamed: http://www.twitch.tv/pownz Casters: Drekken Bracket: http://challonge.com/GTLHoTS Sign up: 1. PM ME or Zaros if you will be attending , 2. let us know on IRC Send us the following info : HoTs Bnet Name / Challonge Account [make one :3 ] Prize: A date with me!! (just kidding) , Pride and honour! Additional details: Matches will be organized from the GTL IRC IRC Info: IRC Chat irc.quakenet.org #gteamliquid | ||
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Silverfoxx
United States184 Posts
On January 11 2013 10:00 Thereisnosaurus wrote: So I figure this might be a good place for this, not SC2 related but anyway. I don't really have any gay friends (openly gay anyway) or experience with the community, so I don't really have any people I can talk to about this in person. Anyhow, it's always struck me as odd that being gay is generally thought to be attracted to men and masculinity, yet gays are frequently (often proudly) represented in cultural media (festivals, shows, literature) as abnormally effeminate, at least in their behaviour and activities. Now, I think this says more about the ambiguity of cultural gender construction than actual sexuality (eg, 'feminine' has nothing inherently to do with women), but the oddity remains. So I was wondering whether this is acknowledged in the gay community that much, whether there's a recognized distinction between men who are physically attracted to the male body, but like a more 'feminine' partner (again, just using this to express a lot of the traits typically associated with heteronormative women,), men who aren't particularly physically attracted to other men but are intensely attracted to 'masculinity' which overrides physical attraction for sexual partner preference, and men who are attracted to masculinity and the male body both. To me these seem like entirely different sexual orientations and it feels like all three can be used to define 'gay' with examples from culture and history. Ultimately my concern is that even within the gay community tensions and misunderstandings may occur because of these differing ideas of what homosexuality actually means to each person internally. I've heard of terms like MWHSM that might be an attempt to differentiate, but I've never found any solid source of information on the subtleties. I gotta say, I'd love to hear other people's opinions on this. and I will get back to you personally later on when my brain has stopped being mush from class. Culinary school is x.x;; at times. | ||
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EnterpriseE1701E
37 Posts
On January 11 2013 10:00 Thereisnosaurus wrote: So I figure this might be a good place for this, not SC2 related but anyway. I don't really have any gay friends (openly gay anyway) or experience with the community, so I don't really have any people I can talk to about this in person. Anyhow, it's always struck me as odd that being gay is generally thought to be attracted to men and masculinity, yet gays are frequently (often proudly) represented in cultural media (festivals, shows, literature) as abnormally effeminate, at least in their behaviour and activities. I think this is a very complicated issue, especially given how broad we need to define media, but I think the intuitive idea, from which you can probably draw a much larger picture, has to do with how audience expectations interplay with how creators make media. The reason why gay guys are represented as lisping fairies and lesbians are represented as having no interests outside of Home Depot does not have to do with anything corresponding to reality, but rather that the audience expects such representations as a sort of fulfillment of an archetypical expectation. For example: I think one of the really interesting things about Modern Family is how they are able to merge the gay couple as sufficiently "normal" , while simultaneously reinforcing their gayness/effeminancy. An early episode has them adopting a baby from asia, fretting about "typical" gay concerns (interior decorating of their infant's room), and preforming a ridiculous routine from The Lion King. Contrast that with how the public reacted when JK Rowling announced that she wrote Dumbledore as being gay. From those who cared, I often heard that "There's nothing wrong with it, but I didn't imagine he was...." In other words, we take certain behaviors and attitudes to be indicative of many categories of identity, including sexuality. The reason people couldn't imagine Dumbledore as gay wasn't merely because Harry never stumbles in on him having sex with a guy, but more because the normalizing attitude we have towards heterosexuality makes it the default when there is no evidence to the contrary. I think the issue is radically more complicated than merely reducing it down to the author/creator of media wanting to fulfill (consciously or subconsciously) the audience's expectations, but I think this one element might start to address your above concern. Now, I think this says more about the ambiguity of cultural gender construction than actual sexuality (eg, 'feminine' has nothing inherently to do with women), but the oddity remains. So I was wondering whether this is acknowledged in the gay community that much, whether there's a recognized distinction between men who are physically attracted to the male body, but like a more 'feminine' partner (again, just using this to express a lot of the traits typically associated with heteronormative women,), men who aren't particularly physically attracted to other men but are intensely attracted to 'masculinity' which overrides physical attraction for sexual partner preference, and men who are attracted to masculinity and the male body both. To me these seem like entirely different sexual orientations and it feels like all three can be used to define 'gay' with examples from culture and history. Ultimately my concern is that even within the gay community tensions and misunderstandings may occur because of these differing ideas of what homosexuality actually means to each person internally. I've heard of terms like MWHSM that might be an attempt to differentiate, but I've never found any solid source of information on the subtleties. MWHSM, from my understanding, is an attempt to give sociologists a way to talk about guys who have sex with guys, but do not identify as gay. Without getting into an extended discussion of whether or not identity is independent from identification, I will say that you are generally onto something very interesting. I would suggest that anybody deeply interested in this go to any electronic hookup site (Grindr, etc) and attempt to look for words ("str8", "straight-acting", "masculine") that would signal something similar to what you said above. There is an interesting thing wherein people are attracted to different degrees of masculinity/femininity ,which, while I think is benign in itself, probably ends up having extremely toxic and poisonous effects on the community more broadly, especially when we combine the conceptualization of "masculinity" with that of "Straight-acting"/"str8". Final note, while I said these are likely benign in themselves, I want to stress that the above evaluation is only on the level of what individuals can choose to do-- most people cannot force themselves to be attracted to a body type/race/gender/etc, but that inability, or fetishization still ends up having bad consequences. So while they are not accountable for their actions, they can be completely racist by prefering towards or against any given race, even though you have no agency in the matter. I think something similar ends up happening on other categories of representation too. | ||
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Unshapely
140 Posts
On January 11 2013 10:00 Thereisnosaurus wrote: Now, I think this says more about the ambiguity of cultural gender construction than actual sexuality (eg, 'feminine' has nothing inherently to do with women), but the oddity remains. So I was wondering whether this is acknowledged in the gay community that much, whether there's a recognized distinction between men who are physically attracted to the male body, but like a more 'feminine' partner (again, just using this to express a lot of the traits typically associated with heteronormative women,), men who aren't particularly physically attracted to other men but are intensely attracted to 'masculinity' which overrides physical attraction for sexual partner preference, and men who are attracted to masculinity and the male body both. To me these seem like entirely different sexual orientations and it feels like all three can be used to define 'gay' with examples from culture and history. I'm writing this from experience. I have met only two homosexual people, both of whom were very different. One was a young friend, and he was purely attracted to feminine boys, or boys who looked feminine - beardless, hairless, etc. The last time I was in contact with him, he was dating another boy who dressed oddly but did look and act very feminine. The odd thing is, he did try dating girls but later on he confessed to me that girls didn't "click" for him. The other person I know, a man, actually likes masculine men with good body hair and bit of muscle. I did not ask him whether he liked feminine men or not but, it didn't seem like he was at all attracted to feminity. This man himself was well built, and regularly maintained his muscle and masculinity. But getting to the point, the variance in attraction does exist in gays - precisely of the type you're querying. Homosexuality can be branched further by defining the type of attraction. | ||
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doggy
Germany306 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389419 <3 you all! | ||
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