EPT[CSL] Season 4 Official Thread - Page 31
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Carnivorous Sheep
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Impervious
Canada4212 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On November 10 2010 18:42 yenta wrote: Running CSL is close to a fulltime job for many of our positions. I've been a bit sick / caught up in handling some real life problems. Sorry to everyone for the increased amount of wait time lately - We'll try to get caught up as soon as possible. I'll be joining in soon too, so hopefully I can help out in that area! Oh, and that does mean that further upgrades planned for CSL ranks (csl.zhanxz.net) are instead going to be incorporated into the main CSL site, as that would be much more convenient for usage. Expect to see new features there! | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
What's stopping you from switching the ace match maps to more balanced ones in the future? | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On November 18 2010 03:18 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: Wait what? So Fighting Spiit will never be the ace map? I thought all the maps would cycle...isn't that the point/how it's done in PL... People didn't want that much focus on non-ladder map, so it doesn't share the same cycling. On November 18 2010 05:36 Saracen wrote: Or you could pick balanced maps for ace. Either way. It's kind of frustrating to lose an entire match because it's a ZvT on LT against MurdeR and you have to do a gimmicky build because he's probably going to be abusing the ledge, and you know that every other person on your team has a 0% chance of winning against him regardless of how much they prepare. It's kind of hard to "just field a Protoss/Terran on LT if it's such a big deal" when you only have 5 active players on your team's lineup, 4 of which can't even hit 1800. What's stopping you from switching the ace match maps to more balanced ones in the future? Nothing's stopping us from changing the map pool. I'm just presenting the reasoning for the current one. You should be thankful that you have 4 players that can hit 1700 then? Princeton has one or two players above 1600, and I'm fine with that. There are several schools that don't have ANY players above 1500. We can't do anything about what players you do or don't have at your school, or how many of them are active or inactive. I'm pretty sure there are more than 5 students at each school that would be willing to play. If they aren't good enough for you, that's your problem. On the one hand, you can whine about it, and on the other you can practice against it, and just be the better player, can't you? How is it a 0% chance? Since you insist on fielding a Zerg on a map that "is imbalanced TvZ," why can't you just do something like 6 pool and take control of the game yourself? | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
On November 18 2010 06:08 DarthThienAn wrote: Since you insist on fielding a Zerg on a map that "is imbalanced TvZ," why can't you just do something like 6 pool and take control of the game yourself? It almost sounds like 6 pool is a viable build instead of a gamble. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On November 18 2010 06:08 DarthThienAn wrote: People didn't want that much focus on non-ladder map, so it doesn't share the same cycling. Nothing's stopping us from changing the map pool. I'm just presenting the reasoning for the current one. You should be thankful that you have 4 players that can hit 1700 then? Princeton has one or two players above 1600, and I'm fine with that. There are several schools that don't have ANY players above 1500. We can't do anything about what players you do or don't have at your school, or how many of them are active or inactive. I'm pretty sure there are more than 5 students at each school that would be willing to play. If they aren't good enough for you, that's your problem. On the one hand, you can whine about it, and on the other you can practice against it, and just be the better player, can't you? How is it a 0% chance? Since you insist on fielding a Zerg on a map that "is imbalanced TvZ," why can't you just do something like 6 pool and take control of the game yourself? Dude all I'm saying is that you have nothing to lose by improving the map pool for ace matches. No one cares how good any of my players or your players are. The point is that you would rather have balanced maps than imbalanced maps for ace, right? If you're trying to tell me you don't give a shit about the balance of ace match maps and everyone else who has a problem with it should just deal with it, then that's fine. I don't see what the point is in arguing with you if you're so adamant about your position, but seriously try to come off as less of a douche in the future, especially when you're trying to give useless advice like 6 pool against some of the better Terrans in NA in an ace match. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
We've had Xel naga caverns and delta quadrant like 3 weeks in a row, and the idea of having iccup maps in the pool is because not all blizzard maps were acceptable, delta quadrant is a terrible map that should have had its chance to be rotated out after its 1 week of being on there. Sorry Darth but DQ is definitely not considered a balanced map. Metalopolis XNC and Shakuras Plateau are considered 3 of the more balanced, Lost Temple and Steppes are next in line, everything after that has proven to be awful. I'll stop slamming my head against the desk now, since it doesn't matter WHAT map I'm playing this week against qxc, I'll still lose, but I guess its fitting that it'll be on delta again. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
keep in mind though guys, i dont think the map pool will be changed regardless, the map orders have been decided for the whole season already | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
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hazelynut
United States2196 Posts
On November 18 2010 07:58 Saracen wrote: Dude all I'm saying is that you have nothing to lose by improving the map pool for ace matches. No one cares how good any of my players or your players are. The point is that you would rather have balanced maps than imbalanced maps for ace, right? If you're trying to tell me you don't give a shit about the balance of ace match maps and everyone else who has a problem with it should just deal with it, then that's fine. I don't see what the point is in arguing with you if you're so adamant about your position, but seriously try to come off as less of a douche in the future, especially when you're trying to give useless advice like 6 pool against some of the better Terrans in NA in an ace match. It seems like running CSL really is a thankless job  . Thanks for the input. Sometimes admins don't notice or aren't quite as qualified at SC to understand balance issues, so when someone brings it up we'll listen.+ Show Spoiler + (and if someone brings it up with a scathing tongue, well, we'll try to justify our reasoning and THEN listen). From a personal standpoint, how can you even say that "no one cares how good any of my players or your players are" when you use it as your own argument? And why would you say Darth (and by extension CSL) don't give a shit about balance? We play in the league too. Stop putting straw men in his mouth  he didn't say he doesn't "give a shit." He's explaining how we made the map pool. Now that there are new maps aka Shakuras and stuff, we'll take everything into consideration and fix the map pool after Thanksgiving break.Emailing us and explaining that "Dude all I'm saying is that you have nothing to lose by improving the map pool for ace matches" would help turn our attention to that issue quicker. And probably would be more helpful than calling Darth a douche. Expect mid-season map pool changes, most likely after Thanksgiving or winter break. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On November 19 2010 05:11 hazelynut wrote: It seems like running CSL really is a thankless job . Thanks for the input. Sometimes admins don't notice or aren't quite as qualified at SC to understand balance issues, so when someone brings it up we'll listen.I'd like to take this as an opportunity to thank everyone who works so hard to run CSL, I can only imagine how tough it must be to run something like this. Your hard work is much appreciated :D | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On November 19 2010 05:16 TestSubject893 wrote: I'd like to take this as an opportunity to thank everyone who works so hard to run CSL, I can only imagine how tough it must be to run something like this. Your hard work is much appreciated :D I agree. I know I give you guys a lot of crap at CSL but I love you all and love what you do! I know you put a ton of work in and I loooove playing in CSL. It was so fun in BW and it's still fun in SC2 (When my team shows up! ;D ) Thank you everybody who runs the CSL and thanks to all of the volunteer division admins for helping out!! | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On November 19 2010 05:37 Xeris wrote: SO EZ FOLKS! Obv Saracen upset because Caltech sux at CSL <3 Obviously this is the case. We need more Koreans Mona, the reason I said "no one cares how good any of my players or your players are" is that it had nothing to do with my point (that balanced maps are better than imbalanced maps for ace, and if there's nothing stopping you from changing them to more balanced maps, then you should, right?) It was just some tangent that stemmed from Darth saying something about sending other players besides myself for ace (hence the "you can just deal with the imbalance.") Also, I have already sent a PM to Xeris about this (a while ago). And I appreciate all that you guys do, even though I may not seem like it. I realize that running CSL is like having a part or full-time job with no pay, and you're doing it for our benefit. You guys have been really accommodating and understanding whenever shit happens (technical issues, no shows, breaking-of-rules, etc.) I can only imagine the shit you have to deal with, so I'm sorry for adding to your plate. You are all really nice guys with good intentions, and I'm really glad you're a part of the community. Thanks for running CSL, dudes. :3 | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
=P Also thanks for everything! CSL is awesome ^^ | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
everyone is clearly very appreciative of the league and everything you guys are doing for us, but that's a given. if we can't come to you guys with complaints then we're not gonna get anywhere. | ||
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hazelynut
United States2196 Posts
On November 19 2010 22:24 mOnion wrote: I dont think its fair to play the "we get no thanks for our job" card whenever criticism comes up, it creates a circle of nothing improving from comments. I thought saracen was pretty justified in his criticism with LT being ace 2/3 weeks in a row, even if he said it with some negative emotion that's sure to come from frustration with a recent loss or something, but darth's response was pretty ridiculous given the situation. in the face of emotional complaints i'd expect admins to respond with less juvenile posts. everyone is clearly very appreciative of the league and everything you guys are doing for us, but that's a given. if we can't come to you guys with complaints then we're not gonna get anywhere. This is probably the first time I've pulled that card, and with a "we'll be sure to listen to that criticism and change the map pool soon, with a tentative date" at that. I'm not sure what kind of evidence/experience are you basing this statement on. If there is cause for worry because admins dodge criticism, please bring it to my attention and we'll work on that. | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
sry didnt mean to phrase it that way ^_^ | ||
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