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On August 07 2012 01:31 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:29 Heh_ wrote:On August 07 2012 01:22 Bash wrote: How on earth do so many people have so much trouble using beastmasters minions? I swear like 5 last times I've had one on my team they don't use the hawk at all except in the very late game and even then only leave it afk over rosh pit, they'll always summon them in fights sure but they'll leave the things where they stand and don't even move them. I asked one of these fine gentlemen why he wasn't using his hawk at all (this one did seem to have his boar, on the same hotkey as his main hero though), and the answer was "I have not enough macro".
Christ. I actually have a bit of problem controlling the hawk. Whenever I try to click-drag to select BM and boar, I either end up selecting everything or nothing at all. Don't know why... Usually, I have to click on the hawk and pull it away before I can micro the rest of my units, which costs me valuable time in the heat of battle. Once they're separated, then I have no problems. Hotkey that shit. When I play beastmaster, first time I summon them I set hero + boar to 1, boar to 2, hawk to 3. Works perfectly. I'm talking about summoning in the heat of battle. If I have all the time in the world to manually select them, then it's fine.
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On August 07 2012 01:29 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:27 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 22:25 Canas wrote:On August 06 2012 21:55 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 21:01 KezseN wrote:On August 06 2012 16:03 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 13:15 KezseN wrote: Soloing yields better results in terms of winning the match, yes? no? yes Ah glad I'm not the only one~ You meant laning right ? If you really want to win a match, solo mid (not sf) Why wouldn't you play SF, he's like one of the best heroes to win pub games with no escape, and everyone loves to gank sf. And thats why you go Shadowblade since no one in a pub will ever buy dust 
Not true, if you go lothar on SF you're bad and the people you're playing are bad
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Lalalaland34491 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:41 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:31 Firebolt145 wrote:On August 07 2012 01:29 Heh_ wrote:On August 07 2012 01:22 Bash wrote: How on earth do so many people have so much trouble using beastmasters minions? I swear like 5 last times I've had one on my team they don't use the hawk at all except in the very late game and even then only leave it afk over rosh pit, they'll always summon them in fights sure but they'll leave the things where they stand and don't even move them. I asked one of these fine gentlemen why he wasn't using his hawk at all (this one did seem to have his boar, on the same hotkey as his main hero though), and the answer was "I have not enough macro".
Christ. I actually have a bit of problem controlling the hawk. Whenever I try to click-drag to select BM and boar, I either end up selecting everything or nothing at all. Don't know why... Usually, I have to click on the hawk and pull it away before I can micro the rest of my units, which costs me valuable time in the heat of battle. Once they're separated, then I have no problems. Hotkey that shit. When I play beastmaster, first time I summon them I set hero + boar to 1, boar to 2, hawk to 3. Works perfectly. I'm talking about summoning in the heat of battle. If I have all the time in the world to manually select them, then it's fine. Hotkeys are saved in dota2. Hotkey them once and each time you summon them after that they will automatically respond to those hotkeys.
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On August 07 2012 01:44 Canas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:29 aderum wrote:On August 06 2012 22:27 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 22:25 Canas wrote:On August 06 2012 21:55 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 21:01 KezseN wrote:On August 06 2012 16:03 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 13:15 KezseN wrote: Soloing yields better results in terms of winning the match, yes? no? yes Ah glad I'm not the only one~ You meant laning right ? If you really want to win a match, solo mid (not sf) Why wouldn't you play SF, he's like one of the best heroes to win pub games with no escape, and everyone loves to gank sf. And thats why you go Shadowblade since no one in a pub will ever buy dust  Not true, if you go lothar on SF you're bad and the people you're playing are bad
The only heroes for which shadow blade is viable is BH and Kunkka
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4 man stack VS 5 random people. Thanks a lot DotA2 matchmaking system, you are doing your job really well. -.-"
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On August 07 2012 02:00 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:44 Canas wrote:On August 07 2012 01:29 aderum wrote:On August 06 2012 22:27 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 22:25 Canas wrote:On August 06 2012 21:55 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 21:01 KezseN wrote:On August 06 2012 16:03 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 13:15 KezseN wrote: Soloing yields better results in terms of winning the match, yes? no? yes Ah glad I'm not the only one~ You meant laning right ? If you really want to win a match, solo mid (not sf) Why wouldn't you play SF, he's like one of the best heroes to win pub games with no escape, and everyone loves to gank sf. And thats why you go Shadowblade since no one in a pub will ever buy dust  Not true, if you go lothar on SF you're bad and the people you're playing are bad The only heroes for which shadow blade is viable is BH and Kunkka
You would build a shadow blade on BH? Lothar's is the worst item in the game for its cost and BH already has a free lothars on his E
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Well 800 dmg crits 15 minutes into the game is pretty good, its a morph shotgun for half the price and vanguard is the worst item in the game for the price
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Wait but 3800 is not half of 4900!
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On August 07 2012 01:54 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:41 Heh_ wrote:On August 07 2012 01:31 Firebolt145 wrote:On August 07 2012 01:29 Heh_ wrote:On August 07 2012 01:22 Bash wrote: How on earth do so many people have so much trouble using beastmasters minions? I swear like 5 last times I've had one on my team they don't use the hawk at all except in the very late game and even then only leave it afk over rosh pit, they'll always summon them in fights sure but they'll leave the things where they stand and don't even move them. I asked one of these fine gentlemen why he wasn't using his hawk at all (this one did seem to have his boar, on the same hotkey as his main hero though), and the answer was "I have not enough macro".
Christ. I actually have a bit of problem controlling the hawk. Whenever I try to click-drag to select BM and boar, I either end up selecting everything or nothing at all. Don't know why... Usually, I have to click on the hawk and pull it away before I can micro the rest of my units, which costs me valuable time in the heat of battle. Once they're separated, then I have no problems. Hotkey that shit. When I play beastmaster, first time I summon them I set hero + boar to 1, boar to 2, hawk to 3. Works perfectly. I'm talking about summoning in the heat of battle. If I have all the time in the world to manually select them, then it's fine. Hotkeys are saved in dota2. Hotkey them once and each time you summon them after that they will automatically respond to those hotkeys. O.o didn't know that. You learn something new every day..
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On August 07 2012 02:09 BlitzerSC wrote: 4 man stack VS 5 random people. Thanks a lot DotA2 matchmaking system, you are doing your job really well. -.-"
It is matching your the random team MMR (im assuming you are on the random team) and finding a suitable match based on the average. The dota2 MM system is actually pretty good since it does what it can to make you stay at or around 50% w/l which is why all these posts in here happen. People do well then the system puts them with shitty players (since almost everyone in here plays all-pick that is pretty much all you will run into) to handicap you so you have a lower chance of winning the game.
I do not have many QQ's to tell on here because I only play MM games with a minimum party of 4 and we recently found a 5th that seems pretty stable so most of my games that we lose it is because one of our lanes was outpicked and/or outplayed. Most of my recent games have come from practicing things like defensive trilanes, stacking and pulling the camp the supports stack&pull (I never really did that since I usually jungle or mid), or just messin around practicing last hits.
To add to the first paragraph: It is also possible that people just suck so bad that they feed/rage/leave.
Side question: How many of you are in low priority queue?
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On August 07 2012 02:23 Kupon3ss wrote: Well 800 dmg crits 15 minutes into the game is pretty good, its a morph shotgun for half the price and vanguard is the worst item in the game for the price
Actually I take it back... the worst item in the game for its price is Rod of Atos... I have not seen one in any game I have played yet and I don't think I will unless there is a troll.
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It could be decent on OD if you struggle to farm the 2700necessary for sheepstick Seems that it also works on AA but you need to have a good game since components arent that cheap
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On August 07 2012 02:30 LeglessPuppy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:09 BlitzerSC wrote: 4 man stack VS 5 random people. Thanks a lot DotA2 matchmaking system, you are doing your job really well. -.-" It is matching your the random team MMR (im assuming you are on the random team) and finding a suitable match based on the average. The dota2 MM system is actually pretty good since it does what it can to make you stay at or around 50% w/l which is why all these posts in here happen. People do well then the system puts them with shitty players (since almost everyone in here plays all-pick that is pretty much all you will run into) to handicap you so you have a lower chance of winning the game. I do not have many QQ's to tell on here because I only play MM games with a minimum party of 4 and we recently found a 5th that seems pretty stable so most of my games that we lose it is because one of our lanes was outpicked and/or outplayed. Most of my recent games have come from practicing things like defensive trilanes, stacking and pulling the camp the supports stack&pull (I never really did that since I usually jungle or mid), or just messin around practicing last hits. To add to the first paragraph: It is also possible that people just suck so bad that they feed/rage/leave. Side question: How many of you are in low priority queue?
Wait Dota2 matchmaking tries to make you stay around 50% w/l ? That's absurd lol .. how are you even supposed to go on a higher "bracket" ?
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On August 07 2012 03:34 neurosx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:30 LeglessPuppy wrote:On August 07 2012 02:09 BlitzerSC wrote: 4 man stack VS 5 random people. Thanks a lot DotA2 matchmaking system, you are doing your job really well. -.-" It is matching your the random team MMR (im assuming you are on the random team) and finding a suitable match based on the average. The dota2 MM system is actually pretty good since it does what it can to make you stay at or around 50% w/l which is why all these posts in here happen. People do well then the system puts them with shitty players (since almost everyone in here plays all-pick that is pretty much all you will run into) to handicap you so you have a lower chance of winning the game. I do not have many QQ's to tell on here because I only play MM games with a minimum party of 4 and we recently found a 5th that seems pretty stable so most of my games that we lose it is because one of our lanes was outpicked and/or outplayed. Most of my recent games have come from practicing things like defensive trilanes, stacking and pulling the camp the supports stack&pull (I never really did that since I usually jungle or mid), or just messin around practicing last hits. To add to the first paragraph: It is also possible that people just suck so bad that they feed/rage/leave. Side question: How many of you are in low priority queue? Wait Dota2 matchmaking tries to make you stay around 50% w/l ? That's absurd lol .. how are you even supposed to go on a higher "bracket" ? By being better than the people in your bracket so it has to change to a higher one for you to remain at 50%
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On August 07 2012 03:34 neurosx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:30 LeglessPuppy wrote:On August 07 2012 02:09 BlitzerSC wrote: 4 man stack VS 5 random people. Thanks a lot DotA2 matchmaking system, you are doing your job really well. -.-" It is matching your the random team MMR (im assuming you are on the random team) and finding a suitable match based on the average. The dota2 MM system is actually pretty good since it does what it can to make you stay at or around 50% w/l which is why all these posts in here happen. People do well then the system puts them with shitty players (since almost everyone in here plays all-pick that is pretty much all you will run into) to handicap you so you have a lower chance of winning the game. I do not have many QQ's to tell on here because I only play MM games with a minimum party of 4 and we recently found a 5th that seems pretty stable so most of my games that we lose it is because one of our lanes was outpicked and/or outplayed. Most of my recent games have come from practicing things like defensive trilanes, stacking and pulling the camp the supports stack&pull (I never really did that since I usually jungle or mid), or just messin around practicing last hits. To add to the first paragraph: It is also possible that people just suck so bad that they feed/rage/leave. Side question: How many of you are in low priority queue? Wait Dota2 matchmaking tries to make you stay around 50% w/l ? That's absurd lol .. how are you even supposed to go on a higher "bracket" ? it tries, but i doubt they dont look at how many people switch brackets and tweak based on that
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United States47024 Posts
On August 07 2012 02:23 Kupon3ss wrote: Well 800 dmg crits 15 minutes into the game is pretty good, its a morph shotgun for half the price and vanguard is the worst item in the game for the price Can't you not stack Lothar's and Shadow Walk though because activating one breaks the other?
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jinada doesnt apply lothar's bonus ? Shadow walk > Track > lothars > crit ?
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On August 07 2012 03:34 neurosx wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 02:30 LeglessPuppy wrote:On August 07 2012 02:09 BlitzerSC wrote: 4 man stack VS 5 random people. Thanks a lot DotA2 matchmaking system, you are doing your job really well. -.-" It is matching your the random team MMR (im assuming you are on the random team) and finding a suitable match based on the average. The dota2 MM system is actually pretty good since it does what it can to make you stay at or around 50% w/l which is why all these posts in here happen. People do well then the system puts them with shitty players (since almost everyone in here plays all-pick that is pretty much all you will run into) to handicap you so you have a lower chance of winning the game. I do not have many QQ's to tell on here because I only play MM games with a minimum party of 4 and we recently found a 5th that seems pretty stable so most of my games that we lose it is because one of our lanes was outpicked and/or outplayed. Most of my recent games have come from practicing things like defensive trilanes, stacking and pulling the camp the supports stack&pull (I never really did that since I usually jungle or mid), or just messin around practicing last hits. To add to the first paragraph: It is also possible that people just suck so bad that they feed/rage/leave. Side question: How many of you are in low priority queue? Wait Dota2 matchmaking tries to make you stay around 50% w/l ? That's absurd lol .. how are you even supposed to go on a higher "bracket" ?
Pretty much as was said above me, it will match you against better players and/or with worse players and see if you can still win vs them. It is pretty common for people to go on 10+ game win streaks and then have a very bad string of games filled with.... less desirable people.
Example: my friends and I (back when we played as 3) went on a 9 or 10 game win streak followed immediately by 7-8 losses in a row because of "better" teams and some pretty terrible randoms like a void that starts boots only (not even tangos) or a pudge who builds pure int because he wants to spam his hook and doesnt take flesh heap until 13.
It is an imperfect system since if you play as a 5man you have a much higher chance of winning if you are able to communicate over something like skype and you know your teams strengths and weaknesses. Being able to pick and ban wisely is pretty important too (Assuming people that run 5mans are smart enough to run captains mode ). Something like this would gimp your team pretty bad. My team (Radiant) vs Their team (Dire).
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United States47024 Posts
On August 07 2012 04:35 Erasme wrote: jinada doesnt apply lothar's bonus ? Shadow walk > Track > lothars > crit ? Except you can already just do Shadow Walk->Track->Shadow Walk->Crit because the cooldown on Shadow Walk is shorter than the duration after the first rank. Lothar's crits only give about 70 more damage than Shadow Walk Crits--not worth the gold spent on a redundant active.
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