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On August 06 2012 22:27 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:25 Canas wrote:On August 06 2012 21:55 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 21:01 KezseN wrote:On August 06 2012 16:03 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 13:15 KezseN wrote:
Soloing yields better results in terms of winning the match, yes? no? yes Ah glad I'm not the only one~ You meant laning right ? If you really want to win a match, solo mid (not sf) Why wouldn't you play SF, he's like one of the best heroes to win pub games with no escape, and everyone loves to gank sf. Also he has kinda a weak laning, you rely on the fact that you block better than your opponent and that you're way better in lasthit/deny I love to play him, but hes not as reliable for me as qop/invoker/storm (my holy trinity)
I personally think he's a lot more reliable than any of those heroes, except for maybe invoker. Storm has a REALLY weak laning phase and early game, but if you can get past that and get a fast bloodstone you just win games, while qop is the opposite of that with a really good early and mid game, but you can't really do shit on your own once you get to the lategame.
SF is my go to hero if I feel like winning a game though. Sure you're pretty vulnerable to ganks, but if you pay attention to the minimap, you can see them coming a lot of the time, you can even get wards if you're that worried about it. The only time I'd say ganks in mid are a major issue is when the other team are CONSTANTLY ganking you, which doesn't happen all that often and I'd say it's a bad reason not to play the hero.
Regarding laning though, I just disagree, I'd even go as far as to say that he's a pretty stronger laner. There is nothing at all wrong with relying on you being better than your opponent, if you didn't think you were better, you probably shouldn't even be attempting to solo mid to begin with, and while last hitting can be pretty rough early on, you can typically get at least a few, and once you hit level 3, razing for last hits is very easy, and once you start getting a decent number of souls, last hitting is going to be the last of your worries.
Even if you don't do great in lane, SF catches up REALLY quickly, and can still have a very strong midgame and lategame.
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
Storm weak laning phase? Wat?
Do you level him with only 1 in Q, max E > max W (ult whenever possible)? I've completely forgotten spell names. Storm is so easy to lane and control runes with.
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On August 06 2012 22:25 Canas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 21:55 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 21:01 KezseN wrote:On August 06 2012 16:03 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 13:15 KezseN wrote:
Soloing yields better results in terms of winning the match, yes? no? yes Ah glad I'm not the only one~ You meant laning right ? If you really want to win a match, solo mid (not sf) Why wouldn't you play SF, he's like one of the best heroes to win pub games with
Watch singsing's last video on his twitch stream to see why SF is a sad sad laner.
Gets ganked and killed 5 times in 6 minutes.
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1 in remnant > 1 overload > 3vortex >ult > overload. I usually get fb by lvl 4 ahaha
You do know Canas that Sf loses his lane very hard against qop/invoker/storm and probably any decent midlane hero :p ?
If you have overcome his weaknesses, then great, you're a good sf player.
Also what is this myth with lategame qop ? she's still a freaking monster lategame thanks to her stupid farmspeed
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On August 06 2012 23:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
Storm weak laning phase? Wat?
Do you level him with only 1 in Q, max E > max W (ult whenever possible)? I've completely forgotten spell names. Storm is so easy to lane and control runes with.
When I play storm I go Q E W W W R E E E Q R Q Q W
Fairly low movement speed and VERY low strength gain makes him even easier to gank than SF, and his attack range isn't the greatest at only 480, combine that with no long range nukes or anything of the sort at all, and you're going to have a hard time since people can just harass you, while you can't do anything to them.
At least that's my personal experience with storm at least, I used to see him as one of my best heroes maybe a year ago, but right now I hardly even play him anymore.
On August 06 2012 23:19 Pwnographics wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:25 Canas wrote:On August 06 2012 21:55 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 21:01 KezseN wrote:On August 06 2012 16:03 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 13:15 KezseN wrote:
Soloing yields better results in terms of winning the match, yes? no? yes Ah glad I'm not the only one~ You meant laning right ? If you really want to win a match, solo mid (not sf) Why wouldn't you play SF, he's like one of the best heroes to win pub games with Watch singsing's last video on his twitch stream to see why SF is a sad sad laner. Gets ganked and killed 5 times in 6 minutes.
I play SF a lot and I'm more than aware of things like this, one of my most recent games was basically this, but like I said, it hardly ever happens, and when it does, it still isn't impossible to recover from because SF farms ridiculously fast.
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On August 06 2012 23:25 Erasme wrote:
1 in remnant > 1 overload > 3vortex >ult > overload. I usually get fb by lvl 4 ahaha
You do know Canas that Sf loses his lane very hard against qop/invoker/storm and probably any decent midlane hero :p ?
If you have overcome his weaknesses, then great, you're a good sf player.
Also what is this myth with lategame qop ? she's still a freaking monster lategame thanks to her stupid farmspeed
I can't even remember the last time I lost mid vs storm on SF because I honestly feel like a decent SF should win that lane almost every time if storm doesn't get ridiculously lucky with runes or anything like that.
Invoker (quas, SF does fine vs exort) and qop I'll admit though, SF should lose to, but aside those heroes there's not really a whole lot that should expect to win vs SF a vast majority of the time.
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On August 06 2012 23:15 Firebolt145 wrote:
Storm weak laning phase? Wat?
Do you level him with only 1 in Q, max E > max W (ult whenever possible)? I've completely forgotten spell names. Storm is so easy to lane and control runes with.
Yeah nah he still loses to all the good ranged mids if they're not godawful. Storm is about surviving until level 6 more than anything, he won't shut down anyone mid if there isn't a major skill difference.
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if you beat SF with storm before lvl 6 the SF player is horrible
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
Admittedly it's been a long time since I played storm often, so I could be completely wrong.
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if the sf feels ballsy enough to come close, he'll die. One haste/invis with the sf being half or 3/4hp and he'll die too. Nah it's only hard if u mess your block
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to use remnant on creeps sf is able to land 2 razes on storm and that is a huge chunk of storms hp so its hard to get any cs with storm once sf gets a few souls, which is not that hard
I dono why sf would come close, he has 600 range and you have like 20
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sf and storm both have 500 range
sf beats storm pretty comfortably til 6, though after that storm can kill him or force him out with a good rune or a gank
edit: whoops canas is right storm has 480 range
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Yeah so I just played a game as storm and we got completely fucking destroyed, I laned vs invoker mid and couldn't do shit + the other team had doom and bloodseeker so I was basically a useless pile of shit the entire game.
GREAT HERO
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
Lol
Lane storm against Invoker, a very strong solo laner, in a game against 2 hard counters (anything with silence)
Come to QQ thread and complain about hero being weak
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Not saying the hero is weak at all, just saying he's not good at winning pub games with because he's not a strong laner and it's not hard at all to shut him down
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
When I feel like playing storm I wait till all the opponents have picked to make sure they don't have counters, because he is indeed one of those heroes that are extremely easy to shut down. But as long as the opponents have no silences it becomes really easy to rape with him imo.
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How on earth do so many people have so much trouble using beastmasters minions? I swear like 5 last times I've had one on my team they don't use the hawk at all except in the very late game and even then only leave it afk over rosh pit, they'll always summon them in fights sure but they'll leave the things where they stand and don't even move them. I asked one of these fine gentlemen why he wasn't using his hawk at all (this one did seem to have his boar, on the same hotkey as his main hero though), and the answer was "I have not enough macro".
Christ.
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On August 07 2012 01:22 Bash wrote:
How on earth do so many people have so much trouble using beastmasters minions? I swear like 5 last times I've had one on my team they don't use the hawk at all except in the very late game and even then only leave it afk over rosh pit, they'll always summon them in fights sure but they'll leave the things where they stand and don't even move them. I asked one of these fine gentlemen why he wasn't using his hawk at all (this one did seem to have his boar, on the same hotkey as his main hero though), and the answer was "I have not enough macro".
Christ.
I actually have a bit of problem controlling the hawk. Whenever I try to click-drag to select BM and boar, I either end up selecting everything or nothing at all. Don't know why... Usually, I have to click on the hawk and pull it away before I can micro the rest of my units, which costs me valuable time in the heat of battle. Once they're separated, then I have no problems.
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On August 06 2012 22:27 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2012 22:25 Canas wrote:On August 06 2012 21:55 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 21:01 KezseN wrote:On August 06 2012 16:03 Erasme wrote:On August 06 2012 13:15 KezseN wrote:
Soloing yields better results in terms of winning the match, yes? no? yes Ah glad I'm not the only one~ You meant laning right ? If you really want to win a match, solo mid (not sf) Why wouldn't you play SF, he's like one of the best heroes to win pub games with no escape, and everyone loves to gank sf.
And thats why you go Shadowblade since no one in a pub will ever buy dust 
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Lalalaland34504 Posts
On August 07 2012 01:29 Heh_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:22 Bash wrote:
How on earth do so many people have so much trouble using beastmasters minions? I swear like 5 last times I've had one on my team they don't use the hawk at all except in the very late game and even then only leave it afk over rosh pit, they'll always summon them in fights sure but they'll leave the things where they stand and don't even move them. I asked one of these fine gentlemen why he wasn't using his hawk at all (this one did seem to have his boar, on the same hotkey as his main hero though), and the answer was "I have not enough macro".
Christ. I actually have a bit of problem controlling the hawk. Whenever I try to click-drag to select BM and boar, I either end up selecting everything or nothing at all. Don't know why... Usually, I have to click on the hawk and pull it away before I can micro the rest of my units, which costs me valuable time in the heat of battle. Once they're separated, then I have no problems.
Hotkey that shit. When I play beastmaster, first time I summon them I set hero + boar to 1, boar to 2, hawk to 3. Works perfectly.
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