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On September 17 2012 04:12 heishe wrote:
That last game where we got owned so hard would be worthy of inspection imo. If someone took a look at that and thought about what we might have done differently (maybe other last hero pick, different laning), that would be awesome.
I thought things would turn out much better WR laned with enigma. I know WR is usually solo lane, but does she have to?
Wr is a beast at laning, she outlanes almost everyone (but broodmother) and Enigma is one of the fastest jungler in the game so it makes little sense to do that :p
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if you are talking about the game with pudge / tide top, wr solo bot, morph mid and enigma jungle.
TOP LANE
First, tide/pudge top safelane doesnt make sense, pudge is good mid to get fast level and rune control, he isn't supposed to farm. And specially tide to support another melee hero makes no sense. Then they decided to do a trilane top (veno/disruptor/am) which is not that powerful :
- AM is not that good in early game
- Veno is strong but when he is on hardlane, he can't really initiate + got bad range
- Same thing for disruptor
Anyway because it's 2 melee vs 2 range + 1 melee, pudge/tide < veno/am/disruptor, so they get kills or at least am is farmed;
MID LANE
Morph vs Panda, might be better for morph but depends a lot about rune control and the skills of players. I give an edge to morph still with his morph ability he might be able to lasthit more than panda, not really sure about that.
Morph > Panda or Morph = Panda
BOTTOM LANE
Windrunner hardlane vs Broodmother
So Windrunner is amazing solo but brood is just too good when you don't have counterwards, web regen + soulring is just too good and windrunner can't kill spiderlings in one shot even with the powershot at full. And Windrunner (me) had to bought chick then flying so can't counterwards or any items to help.
Broodmother > Windrunner
Meanwhile Enigma farms woods.
So that gives us a 1 lane won probably vs 2 lost lane and an AM + Broodmother free pushing towers, i guess you know the result, even with the most amazing blackhole.
That's my fast analysis about this game.
And enigma + windrunner lane means enigma doesnt farm as much as a enigma jungle and not really sure if it would handle broodmother.
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Just letting you guys know that I'll be streaming TLIH's exclusively tonight as I've had more fun doing them (assuming there are games going anyways) and look forward to some fun competitive play! twitch.tv/BlazeCasting if anyone was wondering.
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On September 17 2012 05:00 Blazeinferno wrote:
Just letting you guys know that I'll be streaming TLIH's exclusively tonight as I've had more fun doing them (assuming there are games going anyways) and look forward to some fun competitive play! twitch.tv/BlazeCasting if anyone was wondering.
There are pretty much games going on constantly, every day. Feel free to join us whenever you want, thanks a lot for streaming them 
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On September 17 2012 04:44 _HypeR_ wrote:
if you are talking about the game with pudge / tide top, wr solo bot, morph mid and enigma jungle.
TOP LANE
First, tide/pudge top safelane doesnt make sense, pudge is good mid to get fast level and rune control, he isn't supposed to farm. And specially tide to support another melee hero makes no sense. Then they decided to do a trilane top (veno/disruptor/am) which is not that powerful :
- AM is not that good in early game
- Veno is strong but when he is on hardlane, he can't really initiate + got bad range
- Same thing for disruptor
Anyway because it's 2 melee vs 2 range + 1 melee, pudge/tide < veno/am/disruptor, so they get kills or at least am is farmed;
MID LANE
Morph vs Panda, might be better for morph but depends a lot about rune control and the skills of players. I give an edge to morph still with his morph ability he might be able to lasthit more than panda, not really sure about that.
Morph > Panda or Morph = Panda
BOTTOM LANE
Windrunner hardlane vs Broodmother
So Windrunner is amazing solo but brood is just too good when you don't have counterwards, web regen + soulring is just too good and windrunner can't kill spiderlings in one shot even with the powershot at full. And Windrunner (me) had to bought chick then flying so can't counterwards or any items to help.
Broodmother > Windrunner
Meanwhile Enigma farms woods.
So that gives us a 1 lane won probably vs 2 lost lane and an AM + Broodmother free pushing towers, i guess you know the result, even with the most amazing blackhole.
That's my fast analysis about this game.
And enigma + windrunner lane means enigma doesnt farm as much as a enigma jungle and not really sure if it would handle broodmother.
What about Enigma solo top, Pudge mid and rest trilane bot?
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On September 17 2012 05:07 heishe wrote:
What about Enigma solo top, Pudge mid and rest trilane bot?
that would be the best way to do the laning in this game imo, but enigma needs to be really safe and just try to farm with eidolon, at least brood should be shutdown, and AM/Morph farmed and mid kinda even. Depends a lot about the skill of players =).
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I still think we could have win this, just chaox who didnt want to support with his sil and didn't care that much about the game + bh no bkb, whatever i still enjoyed it and that was not that easy for you to win even with first pick blood hunter ! I won't do this kind of picks except with people who understand them now, guess people wants morphling/am/rubick/furion/leshrac/tide/invoker/enigma all games.
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Silencer can't support tho
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Pretty cool.
I joined the group, hope I can play sometime.
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On September 17 2012 04:44 _HypeR_ wrote:
BOTTOM LANE
Windrunner hardlane vs Broodmother
So Windrunner is amazing solo but brood is just too good when you don't have counterwards, web regen + soulring is just too good and windrunner can't kill spiderlings in one shot even with the powershot at full. And Windrunner (me) had to bought chick then flying so can't counterwards or any items to help.
Broodmother > Windrunner
Meanwhile Enigma farms woods.
So that gives us a 1 lane won probably vs 2 lost lane and an AM + Broodmother free pushing towers, i guess you know the result, even with the most amazing blackhole.
That's my fast analysis about this game.
And enigma + windrunner lane means enigma doesnt farm as much as a enigma jungle and not really sure if it would handle broodmother.
Windrunner can go even with Broodmother on hardlane but you need to bottlecrow + tranquills/arcanes
but you bought chick counterwards so you couldnt go even on that lane
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On September 17 2012 06:18 _HypeR_ wrote:I still think we could have win this, just chaox who didnt want to support with his sil and didn't care that much about the game + bh no bkb, whatever i still enjoyed it and that was not that easy for you to win even with first pick blood hunter ! I won't do this kind of picks except with people who understand them now, guess people wants morphling/am/rubick/furion/leshrac/tide/invoker/enigma all games.
yes we couldve won if he pulled/orbwalk instead of trying to compete ck with me, the nightstalker. YOU ALSO FED with puck!!!!!!!!
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On September 17 2012 12:02 aintz wrote:
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yes we couldve won if he pulled/orbwalk instead of trying to compete ck with me, the nightstalker. YOU ALSO FED with puck!!!!!!!!
you didn't do well either :D, and last time i played is like one year ago at least  , buying wards as puck sux too, whatever no more man picks unless i'm with friends, known players who are willing to try my strats.
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On September 17 2012 12:19 _HypeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 12:02 aintz wrote:
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yes we couldve won if he pulled/orbwalk instead of trying to compete ck with me, the nightstalker. YOU ALSO FED with puck!!!!!!!! you didn't do well either :D, and last time i played is like one year ago at least , buying wards as puck sux too, whatever no more man picks unless i'm with friends, known players who are willing to try my strats.
You missed the Team Purple strats. Got Canas to rage pretty fast.
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On September 17 2012 12:23 Prime`Rib wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 12:19 _HypeR_ wrote:On September 17 2012 12:02 aintz wrote:
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yes we couldve won if he pulled/orbwalk instead of trying to compete ck with me, the nightstalker. YOU ALSO FED with puck!!!!!!!! you didn't do well either :D, and last time i played is like one year ago at least , buying wards as puck sux too, whatever no more man picks unless i'm with friends, known players who are willing to try my strats. You missed the Team Purple strats. Got Canas to rage pretty fast.
what
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Played my first few games yesterday (I'm Wargh). Was pretty fun, and I even got to do the picking in a few games
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On September 17 2012 04:23 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 04:12 heishe wrote:
That last game where we got owned so hard would be worthy of inspection imo. If someone took a look at that and thought about what we might have done differently (maybe other last hero pick, different laning), that would be awesome.
I thought things would turn out much better WR laned with enigma. I know WR is usually solo lane, but does she have to? Wr is a beast at laning, she outlanes almost everyone (but broodmother) and Enigma is one of the fastest jungler in the game so it makes little sense to do that :p
actualy there's a ton of heros that outlane wr, its just that she's always going to get farm because of powershot and she's really hard to kill
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On September 17 2012 12:23 Prime`Rib wrote:
You missed the Team Purple strats. Got Canas to rage pretty fast.
I was in a team purple strats with chopper on void, i was sd, and there was a wd, if i remember well ds was solo top, don't remeber about mid , and canas was against us. The aa couldn't ward and said that canas insulted him too much so he disconnected, i think you are talking about the same game 
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On September 17 2012 20:56 cilinder007 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2012 04:23 Erasme wrote:On September 17 2012 04:12 heishe wrote:
That last game where we got owned so hard would be worthy of inspection imo. If someone took a look at that and thought about what we might have done differently (maybe other last hero pick, different laning), that would be awesome.
I thought things would turn out much better WR laned with enigma. I know WR is usually solo lane, but does she have to? Wr is a beast at laning, she outlanes almost everyone (but broodmother) and Enigma is one of the fastest jungler in the game so it makes little sense to do that :p actualy there's a ton of heros that outlane wr, its just that she's always going to get farm because of powershot and she's really hard to kill
This, pretty much. Powershot is a very good for farming from a distance (and at stopping pushes), and windrun is a good escape mechanism, on top of this, she's relatively item and level independant, which means she's a good suicide laner.
If the other team decided to put a solo in the lane you're soloing as windrunner however, chances are you'll get absolutely wrecked. Some common sidelane solo heroes like brood, syllabear and qop should NEVER lose their lane to wr, period. And it's not like other common heroes like beastmaster, furion and dark seer do particularly badly either.
And in pubs you'll obviously have a lot more heroes to worry about, for example, last time I was playing wr in a pub, I got absolutely demolished by a drow because there is actually nothing you can do to stop her from farming, as you'll just get orbwalked down to shit and possibly even ending up getting killed if you're not careful.
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