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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-21 14:09:28
February 21 2018 14:09 GMT
#7301
On February 21 2018 15:08 bdonballer wrote:
I really wish more of the support builds had arcane boots over tranquil boots. Every game my 2 supports follow your standard build for tranquils. Heroes like Rubick and shadow demon, for example, are way better off with more mana than movespeed. It also helps your core players so much more if the supports had mana boots so you aren’t endlessly crowing clarities.

Just my two cents


I'm put in a bad place where I must follow 'the standard' but if I account for lower-levels, I get criticized heavily for 'outdated' or shitty builds.

PS: rubick has Arcane already: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=128927319
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 06:44:13
February 22 2018 04:42 GMT
#7302
Aghs definitely deserves a spot in the Extensions section of the Viper build. After testing I'd say it's the best followup to Pike/Maelstrom, only surpassing Butterfly in convenience.

  • Easy buildup. PB alone helps with staying alive and farming with W.
  • Aligns with his max attack range (815 vs 900) so you can stay indefinitely in the backline.
  • The reduced Strike cost + mana gives you enough mana, with Pike, to continue pressuring after an extended teamfight.
  • Very easy to push out the side lanes while jungling, all without exposing yourself to ganks.
  • Lets you use R immediately to guarantee kills on supports instead of waiting for a priority target.
  • Great for sieging high ground if you have a teammate providing vision.
  • A BKB-piercing slow, undispellable and on a 10 second CD, is just a great CC option.
  • Gives him a ton of leverage in matchups where he normally gets outscaled e.g. Dragon Knight.
  • Makes him a threatening lategame hero if you get the 120 damage talent.


In short, it enhances most aspects of the ghetto Sniper build and makes it hard to defensively itemize while being brain-dead easy to use.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 22 2018 07:21 GMT
#7303
On February 22 2018 13:42 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Aghs definitely deserves a spot in the Extensions section of the Viper build. After testing I'd say it's the best followup to Pike/Maelstrom, only surpassing Butterfly in convenience.

  • Easy buildup. PB alone helps with staying alive and farming with W.
  • Aligns with his max attack range (815 vs 900) so you can stay indefinitely in the backline.
  • The reduced Strike cost + mana gives you enough mana, with Pike, to continue pressuring after an extended teamfight.
  • Very easy to push out the side lanes while jungling, all without exposing yourself to ganks.
  • Lets you use R immediately to guarantee kills on supports instead of waiting for a priority target.
  • Great for sieging high ground if you have a teammate providing vision.
  • A BKB-piercing slow, undispellable and on a 10 second CD, is just a great CC option.
  • Gives him a ton of leverage in matchups where he normally gets outscaled e.g. Dragon Knight.
  • Makes him a threatening lategame hero if you get the 120 damage talent.


In short, it enhances most aspects of the ghetto Sniper build and makes it hard to defensively itemize while being brain-dead easy to use.


Need to remove one item for this to fit
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-01 17:16:51
February 22 2018 10:43 GMT
#7304
Earth Spirit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HeroBuilds/comments/7yq3ap/earth_spirit/
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-02-22 17:59:07
February 22 2018 17:58 GMT
#7305
On February 22 2018 16:21 Torte de Lini wrote:
Need to remove one item for this to fit


SnY is late for the third slot. By that point you should be aiming for lategame items.
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tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7084 Posts
February 22 2018 18:37 GMT
#7306
radiance on lifestealer seems to be the new hotness
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-02 07:44:51
February 27 2018 06:58 GMT
#7307
ed
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 01 2018 10:26 GMT
#7308
stats tomorrow but I gotta do some last-minute updates before I do stats for 4-5 heroes.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 10:12:24
March 01 2018 21:02 GMT
#7309
7.10 Planning Post

Personal Notes
    Items
  • Aeon Disk: trying to make it more appealing, I think it needs more stats than just a 'please don't combo me' item
  • Boots: No Arcane Boots nor Tranquil Boots or Boots of Travel. Supports get nerfed, they came online too fast

    Hero Changes
  • : Level 25 Talent is interesting. Definitely what the purpose of Cold Feet was mostly used for.
  • nerfed
  • is it only heroes? That's interesting and definitely makes the Radiance build stronger. It also makes it less awkward for players having to cast a last-second Q on an enemy hero to ensure he gets healed.
  • still sucks
  • super early-game nerf
  • "please try the gust knockback, it's good"
  • Cataclysm still is weak in my opinion
  • Is this to fix any awkward ultimate + tether timing problems?
  • I expected more from Lycan to be honest
  • Needs more to make roaming viable but I can see the hesitation. Maybe higher slow scale for his Leap (but less damage)
  • really nice
  • Could Pudge be any more nerfed? Just don't roam with him any more to be honest
  • I'd love to see a support Sven
  • His reflection was too good of a counter to everything
  • nice






Actual Schedule (CET)
Day 1 - 5.5 hours
- 7:30-8:30AM: Setting up Planning Posts + Data Sheet
- 8:30-9:00AM: Personal Notes
- 9:00-11:00AM: Preliminary Notes (Talent Changes)
- 2:30-4:30: Finalization and Announcement

Total Elapsed Time: 5.5 Hours
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-29 14:45:08
March 01 2018 21:03 GMT
#7310
Applied Changes: March 4 (4:30 CET)

Actual Schedule (CET)
Day 1 - hours
- 7:30-8:30AM: Setting up Planning Posts + Data Sheet
- 8:30-9:00AM: Personal Notes
- 9:00-11:00AM: Preliminary Notes (Talent Changes)
- 2:30-4:30: Finalization and Announcement

Total Elapsed Time: 5.5 Hours



Total changes made: 79 approx. changes
37 Guides applied
121 Guides remain unchanged




This latest update was made possible thanks to the feedback from the following community members. Sincerest thank you to: B. Jacobson, B. Sanborn, Prezombie


Patreon.com/Torte, heartfelt appreciation and mention goes to these generous monthly Patron campaign supporters. Sincerest thank you to:

Alfred Vogl // Xeoneatos, Cam Connor // CB.CB, Patrick Tobin, julian beck, Trent Monahan, Jade Wardle, szymond70, Loke Nielsen, Teruyo, Stepan Dyachovskiy, Simon B, Dylan Lauritsen, Thane Brimhall, Mathew Buhler, Sean McMurray, James, Sutas, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek // Chris Missal, John Rinehart, Michael Carmody, Alexander Scheurer, Joshua Goodwin, James Sarjeant, Jordan Parker, Kenneth Sologaistoa, Hamad AlZayani, DaChrisse, Jeroen Koenders, Alan Meng, Dice, Vodka, Andrew Krigline, Andrew Heckathorn, Captain Marvelous, Katilyn McDougle, Benjamin Richter, dsrtfx_xx, Michael Kaeser, Lowe Schmidt, Tony Heugh, James Merrill, Guitaringegg, JimmaDaRustla, Daxdiv, Ryan Goss, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Matthew Nami // AD2L, tale, Omer Ganai, Paul Martindale, Gilbert Hangel, Wilson Malcom, Elizaveta Yanovskaya, Daryl, Jesse Jorgensen-Price, John Killilea, Anna-karin, Mads Grau Kristensen, Oscar Swahn, Christopher Garcia, Kevin Janssens, Swaroop Jegde, Anagh Kumar Baranwal, Jesse Ruth, Luke Mirman, Jose Cacho, Eric Barett, JJ Sigler, Mr Magnificent, Ian Lunderskov, Unfun, Douglas Hitchcock, Nick Mayo, Stefan Chladek, Christopher Dickson, S J, Tyler Reid, Aaron Bell, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Josh Laseter // Gerald Callow, zyberspace, Kjetil Kultom, Steve, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster



Abaddon
New Talent Tree: 10 (20% XP Gain), 15 (+6 Armor), 20 (20% Cooldown), 25 (+225 Aphotic Shield)

Alchemist (Radiance)
New Talent Tree: 10 (+25 Attack Speed), 15 (+400 Health), 20 (+400 Unstable Concoction Damage), 25 (-0.2 Chemical Rage Base Attack Time)

Arc Warden x2
New Talent Tree: 10 (8% Cooldown Reduction), 15 (+350 Health), 20 (+125 Attack Range), 25 (30% Lifesteal)

Clockwerk
Added Wind Lace to Starting Items
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Healing Salve to Starting Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Dragon Knight x2
New Talent Tree: 10 (-20% Breathe Fire Damage Reduction), 15 (+35 Damage), 20 (2x Dragon Blood HP Regen/Armor), 25 (+40 Strength)

Drow Ranger
New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Movement Speed), 15 (+550 Gust Distance/Knockback), 20 (+20 Marksmanship), 25 (+20% Precision Aura)

Earth Spirit
New Skill Build: W Q Q E Q R Q E E T E R W W T W R T T (1. Boulder Smash 2. Geomagnetic Grip 3. Rolling Boulder)
New Talent Tree: 10 (+40 Damage), 15 (+200 Rolling Boulder Damage), 20 (+150 Gold/Min), 25 (Geomagnetic Grip Targets Allies)

Enchantress
Added Blight Stone to Starting Items
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Magic Wand to Core Items
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Clarity x2

Enigma
Added Tango to Starting Items
Added Boots of Speed to Starting Items
Removed Clarity

Gyrocopter (Roamer)
New Talent Tree: 10 (+200 Health), 15 (+11 Rocket Barrage), 20 (+50 Movement Speed), 25 (3 Homing Missiles)
Added Iron Branch x2 to Starting Items
Added Soul Ring to Early Game
Added Phase Boots to Core Items
Added Drum of Endurance to Core Items
Added Bloodthorn to Extension Items
Removed Boots of Speed
Removed Arcane Boots
Removed Eul's Scepter of Divinity
Removed Scythe of Vyse

Invoker (Quas/Wex)
Removed Iron Branch

Jakiro
New Talent Tree: 10 (+30% XP Gain), 15 (+40 Dual Breath Burn Damage), 20 (+150 Gold/Min), 25 (Macropyre Pure and Pierces Immunity)
Removed Observer Ward

Keeper of the Light
Removed Observer Ward

Kunkka (Support)
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Added Clarity to Starting Items
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Lion
Removed Observer Ward

Leshrac (Support)
Removed Observer Ward

Lina (Core)
New Talent Tree: 10 (+125 Cast Range), 15 (+140 Light Strike Array Damage), 20 (+25/2% Fiery Soul Per Stack), 25 (+175 Attack Range)

Lina (Support)
New Talent Tree: 10 (+125 Cast Range), 15 (+140 Light Strike Array Damage), 20 (+12% Spell Amplification), 25 (+175 Attack Range)

Morphling
Added Healing Salve to Starting Items
Added Ring of Health to Early Game
Added Dragon Lance to Situational Items
Added Butterfly to Extension Items
Added Nullifier to Extension Items
Moved Hurricane Pike to Situational Items
Moved Black King Bar to Extension Items
Removed Monkey King Bar

Naga Siren (Support)
New Skill Build: E W W Q W R W E E T E R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Ensnare 2. Rip Tide 3. Mirror Image)

Nature's Prophet
Added Orb of Venom to Starting Items
Added Enchanted Mango to Starting Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Necrophos
New Talent Tree: 10 (+40 Damage), 15 (+40 Death Pulse Heal), 20 (+20% Magic Resistance), 25 (+0.6 Heartstopper Aura)

Nyx Assassin (Support)
Removed Observer Ward

Ogre Magi
Added Observer Ward to Starting Items
Removed Boots of Speed

Omniknight
Added Soul Ring to Situational Items
Removed Infused Raindrop

Pangolier
New Skill Build: Q W Q E Q R Q W W T W R E E T E R T T (1. Swashbuckle 2. Shield Crash 3. Heartpiercer)

Shadow Demon
New Talent Tree: 10 (+30% XP Gain), 15 (+25% Shadow Poison Damage), 20 (-6s Soul Catcher Cooldown), 25 (+500 Demonic Purge Damage)

Storm Spirit
Added Power Treads to Core Items
Removed Arcane Boots

Sven
New Talent Tree: 10 (+8 Strength), 15 (+30 Movement Speed), 20 (25% Lifesteal), 25 (+40 STR God's Strength)

Tidehunter
Moved Soul Ring to Situational Items

Terrorblade
New Skill Build: E Q E W W W W R E T E R Q Q T Q R T T (1. Conjure Image 2. Metamorphosis 3. Reflection)
New Talent Tree: 10 (+20 Movement Speed), 15 (+300 Health), 20 (-10s Reflection Cooldown), 25 (-35s Sunder Cooldown)
Added Magic Wand to Core Items

Tinker
New Talent Tree: 10 (+75 Cast Range), 15 (+40 Movement Speed), 20 (+8 March of the Machines Damage), 25 (+100 Laser Damage)

Treant Protector
New Talent Tree: 10 (+2 Living Armor Block Instances), 15 (+90 Damage), 20 (+2s Nature's Guise Root), 25 (700 AoE Living Armor)

Venomancer
New Talent Tree: 10 (90 Gold/Min), 15 (+200 Cast Range), 20 (+7s Poison Nova Duration), 25 (3x Plague Ward HP/Damage)

Viper
Added Aghanim's Scepter to Extension Items
Removed Sange & Yasha

Winter Wyvern
Created New Tab: "Early Game"
Added Magic Wand to "Early Game"
Added Boots of Speed to "Early Game"
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-04 06:14:12
March 04 2018 06:08 GMT
#7311
After 15 days (February 15 to March 2), we have risen from 300,537,659 to 303,645,265 combined subscriptions

A difference of 3,107,606
Average Subscribers per Guide is 1,934,046.27
Growth Percentage is 1.03%


5 least popular guides (bottom being the least popular):
  1. Naga Siren (Support) (520,117)
  2. Pangolier (509,304)
  3. Underlord (Core) (470,839)
  4. Dark Willow (Core) (81,880)
  5. Dark Willow (Support) (10,348)


5 most popular guides (top being the most popular):
  1. Sven
  2. Phantom Assassin
  3. Juggernaut
  4. Faceless Void
  5. Luna


Newly Released Guides:




    Patreon.com/Torte, this project continues to be made possible by the contributions of:

    Alfred Vogl // Xeoneatos, Cam Connor // CB.CB, Patrick Tobin, julian beck, Trent Monahan, Jade Wardle, szymond70, Loke Nielsen, Teruyo, Stepan Dyachovskiy, Simon B, Dylan Lauritsen, Thane Brimhall, Mathew Buhler, Sean McMurray, James, Sutas, Bartlomiej Jan Pasek // Chris Missal, John Rinehart, Michael Carmody, Alexander Scheurer, Joshua Goodwin, James Sarjeant, Jordan Parker, Kenneth Sologaistoa, Hamad AlZayani, DaChrisse, Jeroen Koenders, Alan Meng, Dice, Vodka, Andrew Krigline, Andrew Heckathorn, Captain Marvelous, Katilyn McDougle, Benjamin Richter, dsrtfx_xx, Michael Kaeser, Lowe Schmidt, Tony Heugh, James Merrill, Guitaringegg, JimmaDaRustla, Daxdiv, Ryan Goss, Nate Hubbard, The WLD Crew, Matthew Nami // AD2L, tale, Omer Ganai, Paul Martindale, Gilbert Hangel, Wilson Malcom, Elizaveta Yanovskaya, Daryl, Jesse Jorgensen-Price, John Killilea, Anna-karin, Mads Grau Kristensen, Oscar Swahn, Christopher Garcia, Kevin Janssens, Swaroop Jegde, Anagh Kumar Baranwal, Jesse Ruth, Luke Mirman, Jose Cacho, Eric Barett, JJ Sigler, Mr Magnificent, Ian Lunderskov, Unfun, Douglas Hitchcock, Nick Mayo, Stefan Chladek, Christopher Dickson, S J, Tyler Reid, Aaron Bell, Cooper Johnson, Samuel Enocsson, slashershot, Igor Dolgiy, Josh Laseter // Gerald Callow, zyberspace, Kjetil Kultom, Steve, Joshua Rodman, Moe Foster

    Portions of their pledges will go to long-time community members, dedicated to providing feedback to keep this collection of hero builds accurate to current standards of play.



    This latest update and hero builds changes was made possible thanks to the involvement of the following community members. Sincere thank you to: B. Jacobson, Prezombie, CosmicSpiral, bdonballer, Buckyman, TheEmulator
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    tehh4ck3r
    Profile Joined August 2013
    Magrathea7084 Posts
    March 04 2018 07:37 GMT
    #7312
    Maybe a more experienced AW player than me can chime in, but 8% CDR talent at 10 feels better than the 25 atk speed
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 04 2018 10:11 GMT
    #7313
    On March 04 2018 16:37 tehh4ck3r wrote:
    Maybe a more experienced AW player than me can chime in, but 8% CDR talent at 10 feels better than the 25 atk speed


    You are correct.
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 04 2018 13:32 GMT
    #7314
    7.10 updated
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2018-03-07 10:02:50
    March 05 2018 08:19 GMT
    #7315
    ed
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    Birdie
    Profile Blog Joined August 2007
    New Zealand4438 Posts
    March 07 2018 04:10 GMT
    #7316
    New memestealer build is like, sny radiance solar crest with the 20% evasion talent. Not sure if it's going to last and not everyone builds it, hero sucks if you don't go for that build though IMO.

    Phantom Lancer
    People are maxing phantom rush not lance, it's normally one point in Q and one in W and max E. So QEWEERE or similar. Situationally people are getting two or three points in lance, but still maxing E first.

    Gyrocopter
    Starting items are super weak, needs a lot more regen. He's not a strong laner and is pretty squishy. I would suggest 2 sets of tangos, mango , salve, and fill with branches and clarities (2x branch and w/e else). Wand should be in his build. Value point in flak cannon before level 8 is definitely needed, as it is used for harass in lane. I think MoM can be in core items but it's not essential.

    Pos5 supports should be buying a sentry level one, courier, two sets of tangos and pooling 2x tango to mid, a obs ward or two, and clarities and regen with the rest of the gold. E.g. shadow shaman right now doesn't have enough regen items or sentry in his build.

    Shadow Shaman
    Definitely needs blink as core, before aether or aghs. Even can not bother with mana boots some games and go straight brown boots blink. That item is too good on him.

    Witch Doctor
    Needs 2x points in maledict before getting heal, you don't really need heal early.

    Zeus
    Definitely needs to be QEQWQRQWW talent W. It's really important to be able to shove the wave hard with Zeus, and he can't farm without max Q. Unviable going max W first. If you're core I really like to get the armour, not the XP. You're going to get the XP anyway. I also prefer cast range for level 25, and it's worth noting that without aghs the +0.5s lightning bolt is not good. Starting items should be null and 2x clarity, although in some lanes you don't get null and just start getting soul ring with the strength bits if you can't stand anywhere near the lane. Default is null + 2x clarity, though. Bottle should not be in the build, swap in soul ring instead.
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    March 07 2018 08:27 GMT
    #7317
    On March 07 2018 13:10 Birdie wrote:
    New memestealer build is like, sny radiance solar crest with the 20% evasion talent. Not sure if it's going to last and not everyone builds it, hero sucks if you don't go for that build though IMO.

    Phantom Lancer
    People are maxing phantom rush not lance, it's normally one point in Q and one in W and max E. So QEWEERE or similar. Situationally people are getting two or three points in lance, but still maxing E first.

    Gyrocopter
    Starting items are super weak, needs a lot more regen. He's not a strong laner and is pretty squishy. I would suggest 2 sets of tangos, mango , salve, and fill with branches and clarities (2x branch and w/e else). Wand should be in his build. Value point in flak cannon before level 8 is definitely needed, as it is used for harass in lane. I think MoM can be in core items but it's not essential.

    Pos5 supports should be buying a sentry level one, courier, two sets of tangos and pooling 2x tango to mid, a obs ward or two, and clarities and regen with the rest of the gold. E.g. shadow shaman right now doesn't have enough regen items or sentry in his build.

    Shadow Shaman
    Definitely needs blink as core, before aether or aghs. Even can not bother with mana boots some games and go straight brown boots blink. That item is too good on him.

    Witch Doctor
    Needs 2x points in maledict before getting heal, you don't really need heal early.

    Zeus
    Definitely needs to be QEQWQRQWW talent W. It's really important to be able to shove the wave hard with Zeus, and he can't farm without max Q. Unviable going max W first. If you're core I really like to get the armour, not the XP. You're going to get the XP anyway. I also prefer cast range for level 25, and it's worth noting that without aghs the +0.5s lightning bolt is not good. Starting items should be null and 2x clarity, although in some lanes you don't get null and just start getting soul ring with the strength bits if you can't stand anywhere near the lane. Default is null + 2x clarity, though. Bottle should not be in the build, swap in soul ring instead.



    Got it


    This is what everyone's starting with right now, maybe because his last-hitting early on sucks?

    Blink is popular, but there are builds without it.


    ok


    ill take a look
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    Torte de Lini
    Profile Blog Joined September 2010
    Germany38463 Posts
    Last Edited: 2018-03-13 07:19:05
    March 07 2018 10:02 GMT
    #7318
    ed
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    CosmicSpiral
    Profile Blog Joined December 2010
    United States15275 Posts
    March 07 2018 18:18 GMT
    #7319
    If you are going Lance/SnY on Viper, you need Aquila + Raindrop + Magic Wand. Usually all of them are mandatory during the early game regardless of followup, but Lance/SnY makes mana an even more pressing issue. Otherwise you will almost run out after you use your basic combo, which forces you to TP back to base or flap around uselessly.

    There's also the issue of timing. If you finish Pike after going through all those items, you will have significant damage issues going into the mid-lategame. Your magic damage will naturally fall off, and you lack both the physical DPS and farming mechanisms to transition into extension items.

    If this is a momentum build, you might as well go Drums first.
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    March 07 2018 19:16 GMT
    #7320
    I honestly have no idea how to build viper.

    a lot of comp. matches pick him with a strat in mind so it distorts his 'standard' expected build.
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