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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 02 2015 02:25 GMT
#21
I have an ASUS ROG and I wish I had waited a bit and gotten a Zenbook, it looks lighter/nicer.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
December 02 2015 11:02 GMT
#22
The Razer Blade will come out in Europe with only 8 GB RAM, half the storage (256 GB) and only a full HD display. I'll wait for prices on that.
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WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
December 02 2015 13:41 GMT
#23
Here is the link to the laptop _fool said. I think this fits your requirements perfectly aswell.

(credits _fool)
http://www.bol.com/nl/p/asus-k501lx-dm104t-laptop/9200000047822642/

What are you going to do with your RAM? Are you an engineer/developer or anything of the sort that you are sure you need the extra RAM?

Getting more than 8GB RAM is one of the biggest misconceptions people have when building a machine.
As a (power) user/gamer, you will not need more than 8GB RAM period. I will try to explain it a bit quick and dirty so you can come to your own conclusion:

Let's say you have 8GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 1600Mhz(in reality this is half of that, but that's another story) and cas latency (CL) 9.
This is a pretty standard RAM stick, probably around 50-60$, also probably the one already in your new laptop (Mhz may vary slightly).
Such a RAM stick is ideal for everyday use, gaming etc. It will be highly unlikely that RAM will ever become your bottleneck. In the case of gaming more Mhz == more power.

So when I want a gaming machine. I would want 8GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 2133Mhz (fastest ddr3) and CL9.
Although if I want a machine for AutoCAD or engineering tasks etc, then this RAM stick wouldn't suffice. In this scenario you wouldn't need the fast Mhz, but you will need more RAM and less CL.
So in this case you would want 16GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 1066Mhz and a CL2-3-5-6-7.
Although if I want a machine that hosting a database or executing all kinds of SQL queries. My desires would again change into a 16GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 2133Mhz and CL9.

So long story short; for every configuration/needs you would need a different set of RAM Memory.
Size and CL are the least of your worries, since 8GB is more than enough.
I'd choose "8GB DDR3 - 2133Mhz - CL9" over "32GB DDR3 - 1333 Mhz - CL9", ten out of ten times.

As for DDR4... I'd rather stick with DDR3 for another few years.





_fool
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 16:05:02
December 02 2015 16:04 GMT
#24
The bol.com link to that exact model is gone now (it was a google ad yesterday) :S But here's some links from shops that ship a similar laptop to the Netherlands and probably elsewhere. I say 'similar' because I think this model has a hdd instead of an ssd. But you can replace that yourself for 80,- or so.

www.bol.com, costs 816,-

www.paradigit.nl, costs 850,-

www.wehkamp.nl, costs 800,-
"News is to the mind what sugar is to the body"
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
December 02 2015 16:28 GMT
#25
Sorry, I don't want one that has a Dutch keyboard layout. I need a German or English (UK) one.
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writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 03 2015 05:04 GMT
#26
If you're willing to put down the money, would you consider a MBP? I bought one with my internship money I made last summer. Sure it's expensive as hell (cost me $2k), but it does everything I want without me having to compromise on anything (which you also seem to be unwillling to do). It has the sufficient graphics power to play my games, and retina screen + 16 GB ram + 512 GB SSD + amazing battery life + OS X makes it an excellent laptop for my computer science schoolwork too. I know you said you wanted a lower spec equivalent but it seems to me that whatever laptop you end up finding acceptable in the end will probably have a comparable price tag.

Either way, good luck in your laptop hunting.
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WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
December 03 2015 10:18 GMT
#27
I've been using a Swedish keyboard for over 3 years now
If you're able to blindly type it should be no problem, as the keyboard input is software (meaning you can adjust it to any language you want).

The layout also isn't "dutch" , but US/International (the most standard in the world). Ofcourse, I can understand you want your own layout, just specifying things a bit
For example, this is the exact same laptop as _fool and me posted :
http://www.amazon.com/K501LX-Laptop-GeForce-Upgrade-Windows/dp/B00YR6BMS2

"ASUS K501LX" , if you insist on getting DE/UK keyboard, go search that laptop on some DE/UK sites. Or just go to the store locally.
(your initial "query" about having all the specs together wasn't as impossible. Combining this with a specific, not common keyboard layout might. :p)


DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 11:05:23
December 03 2015 11:03 GMT
#28
On December 03 2015 14:04 writer22816 wrote:
If you're willing to put down the money, would you consider a MBP? I bought one with my internship money I made last summer. Sure it's expensive as hell (cost me $2k), but it does everything I want without me having to compromise on anything (which you also seem to be unwillling to do). It has the sufficient graphics power to play my games, and retina screen + 16 GB ram + 512 GB SSD + amazing battery life + OS X makes it an excellent laptop for my computer science schoolwork too. I know you said you wanted a lower spec equivalent but it seems to me that whatever laptop you end up finding acceptable in the end will probably have a comparable price tag.

Either way, good luck in your laptop hunting.


Don't get me wrong, I love my MBA to bits, but I want to play games.

The cheapest Macbook Pro that has a dedicated GPU (and that one is closer to a GT940m than to a 950!) goes for 2400 €, that's just an absurd price for me to pay. I don't doubt that it's worth it for some professions, but not for me.

I'm putting this thread on ice until details of the Razer Blade in Europe come in, should be around the 10th of December.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-03 18:59:53
December 03 2015 18:59 GMT
#29
@WonnaPlay it can still be nice to have >8GB of RAM for having multiple programs loaded etc. Some games today, particularly a few newer ones and large scale open world games like Planetside 2 will use >5GB of RAM, the OS likes a gigabyte or 2.

8GB won't really stop you from doing anything but it's a low enough number to have to clean up after yourself, while 16GB is nowhere near limiting for most users. I recommend it for higher performance systems anyway
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
December 03 2015 23:13 GMT
#30
Especially if the laptop is supposed to last for a couple of years, unupgradable 2 GB might actually be a bottleneck pretty soon.

I hope to get at least two years out of the machine, is that a realistic aim with about an hour of gaming a day?
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DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
December 11 2015 16:16 GMT
#31
Still no signs of a Razer Blade in Europe. Ballsack.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
December 11 2015 19:17 GMT
#32
I would like to just chip in about DELLs - I know people have the tendency to badmouth them because they don't "look and feel" like a MBP, but my experience is completely opposite. Maybe it is now different, but I have a 5-year old Latitude and it is literally the only piece of electronics I have to last me that long. It has a very plastic feel and looks on first sight as complete garbage, but not a single thing broke mechanically even though I am putting it through unseen levels of hell (it travels with me a lot and I use it outdoors often). I know that DELL has changed a lot as a company, but back in the day it was possible to arrange for a wide range of specific configuration changes by phoning a local DELL dealership (not a 3rd party reseller, but actual company branch), maybe it's still worth a shot when you have very specific demands.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
December 13 2015 12:24 GMT
#33
I bought a Dell desktop in 2007 (I didn't know how to build a computer back then) and when the GPU fried in 2012, the Dell support sent me a new one via express within 24 hours. So my only experience with Dell products was really pleasant.

The only laptop I ever owned is my Macbook Air 2013, and I like it so much that I'm afraid to go to a thick, blocky, plasticy laptop like the 3 cm thick Dell one.
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imRadu
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-14 21:48:56
December 14 2015 20:37 GMT
#34
I bought my last laptop a 13 inch 2kg i7/SSD/dedicated gpu from xmg ( http://mysn.co.uk/ ) and still am really happy with it. You might want to check their current offers and play with the configurator.

edit:Checked specs weight is 2 kgs (with battery) as poster below noted
Its really good to see that some people dont let education get in the way of their ignorance
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
December 14 2015 21:21 GMT
#35
I find that rather unlikely, even their lowest end notebooks have 1,8 kilos at least, and that's without a GPU.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12909 Posts
December 14 2015 21:30 GMT
#36
On December 02 2015 22:41 WonnaPlay wrote:
Here is the link to the laptop _fool said. I think this fits your requirements perfectly aswell.

(credits _fool)
http://www.bol.com/nl/p/asus-k501lx-dm104t-laptop/9200000047822642/

What are you going to do with your RAM? Are you an engineer/developer or anything of the sort that you are sure you need the extra RAM?

Getting more than 8GB RAM is one of the biggest misconceptions people have when building a machine.
As a (power) user/gamer, you will not need more than 8GB RAM period. I will try to explain it a bit quick and dirty so you can come to your own conclusion:

Let's say you have 8GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 1600Mhz(in reality this is half of that, but that's another story) and cas latency (CL) 9.
This is a pretty standard RAM stick, probably around 50-60$, also probably the one already in your new laptop (Mhz may vary slightly).
Such a RAM stick is ideal for everyday use, gaming etc. It will be highly unlikely that RAM will ever become your bottleneck. In the case of gaming more Mhz == more power.

So when I want a gaming machine. I would want 8GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 2133Mhz (fastest ddr3) and CL9.
Although if I want a machine for AutoCAD or engineering tasks etc, then this RAM stick wouldn't suffice. In this scenario you wouldn't need the fast Mhz, but you will need more RAM and less CL.
So in this case you would want 16GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 1066Mhz and a CL2-3-5-6-7.
Although if I want a machine that hosting a database or executing all kinds of SQL queries. My desires would again change into a 16GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 2133Mhz and CL9.

So long story short; for every configuration/needs you would need a different set of RAM Memory.
Size and CL are the least of your worries, since 8GB is more than enough.
I'd choose "8GB DDR3 - 2133Mhz - CL9" over "32GB DDR3 - 1333 Mhz - CL9", ten out of ten times.

As for DDR4... I'd rather stick with DDR3 for another few years.






So if you want to do engineer stuff but play games as a power user, what do you buy?
WriterMaru
Meatex
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia285 Posts
December 15 2015 16:22 GMT
#37
Be aware that lower to mid-range laptops will have shared GPU and system RAM.
This means with 8GB of system RAM reality might be 2GB is reserved for GPU usage
That said 8GB is enough and will be enough for the entire life of the laptop with the specs you are asking for.
Upgrading RAM will serve no purpose when your CPU and GPU simply won't be able to handle games or applications that require more than 8GB at present or in the future.
Also if you want looks over functionality/performance then stick with ASUS. They are nice looking and actually decents components without paying through the teeth like you will for a razer blade or apple
Really, why is real cheese so hard to come by in Korea? ^&^
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
December 15 2015 17:00 GMT
#38
On December 15 2015 06:30 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2015 22:41 WonnaPlay wrote:
Here is the link to the laptop _fool said. I think this fits your requirements perfectly aswell.

(credits _fool)
http://www.bol.com/nl/p/asus-k501lx-dm104t-laptop/9200000047822642/

What are you going to do with your RAM? Are you an engineer/developer or anything of the sort that you are sure you need the extra RAM?

Getting more than 8GB RAM is one of the biggest misconceptions people have when building a machine.
As a (power) user/gamer, you will not need more than 8GB RAM period. I will try to explain it a bit quick and dirty so you can come to your own conclusion:

Let's say you have 8GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 1600Mhz(in reality this is half of that, but that's another story) and cas latency (CL) 9.
This is a pretty standard RAM stick, probably around 50-60$, also probably the one already in your new laptop (Mhz may vary slightly).
Such a RAM stick is ideal for everyday use, gaming etc. It will be highly unlikely that RAM will ever become your bottleneck. In the case of gaming more Mhz == more power.

So when I want a gaming machine. I would want 8GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 2133Mhz (fastest ddr3) and CL9.
Although if I want a machine for AutoCAD or engineering tasks etc, then this RAM stick wouldn't suffice. In this scenario you wouldn't need the fast Mhz, but you will need more RAM and less CL.
So in this case you would want 16GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 1066Mhz and a CL2-3-5-6-7.
Although if I want a machine that hosting a database or executing all kinds of SQL queries. My desires would again change into a 16GB RAM DDR3, with a clockspeed of 2133Mhz and CL9.

So long story short; for every configuration/needs you would need a different set of RAM Memory.
Size and CL are the least of your worries, since 8GB is more than enough.
I'd choose "8GB DDR3 - 2133Mhz - CL9" over "32GB DDR3 - 1333 Mhz - CL9", ten out of ten times.

As for DDR4... I'd rather stick with DDR3 for another few years.






So if you want to do engineer stuff but play games as a power user, what do you buy?

u get the best of both worlds??
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12683 Posts
December 16 2015 00:34 GMT
#39
been looking for similar laptop and found msi gs40
It has a gt970m with skylake cpu
Portable (I have play around with one), very impressive weight for the hardware but I have heard bad thing about the battery
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-16 02:59:25
December 16 2015 02:58 GMT
#40
We don't have any new futuristic materials so lightweight is basically just another way of saying "bad cooling, low battery life" and often also low performance. Works for some people.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
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