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1. Core i7 is a waste. A socket 1150 Xeon E3 with hyperthreading costs less and does the same, but to be honest you're going to be fine with a Core i5, unless I really misunderstand the workload you're putting on the machine.
2. That's an oddly high price on a Hyper TX3 and an aftermarket cooler is not really necessary unless you really think you're going to be hammering the CPU that much (how?) and want it cooler and/or quieter. Anyway, your choice.
3. That's a lot of money for an SSD of that capacity, unless you want a prosumer offering that might be slightly more reliable I guess?
4. If you're going for the reliability angle, Corsair CX is not the way to do it.
5. 8 GB of RAM is likely fine, but if you're throwing money around, like on a Core i7, then maybe 16 GB isn't totally crazy? What programs are you even running, and what do they use? In any case, RAM is something you can easily upgrade later if needed.
6. The monitors don't have VESA mounts. Check the specs/pictures. Especially for a large array and one in which you're looking upwards at some screens I'd spend the extra on IPS models anyway. You're probably not going to use max brightness unless your room is really bright, so that is a useless spec. For those games and for trading, the response time is not a big deal on a modern display.
7. Hold off on the video card until you know which monitors you're using and thus what video connections you will need.
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On April 06 2015 03:05 Myrmidon wrote:
1. Core i7 is a waste. A socket 1150 Xeon E3 with hyperthreading costs less and does the same, but to be honest you're going to be fine with a Core i5, unless I really misunderstand the workload you're putting on the machine.
2. That's an oddly high price on a Hyper TX3 and an aftermarket cooler is not really necessary unless you really think you're going to be hammering the CPU that much (how?) and want it cooler and/or quieter. Anyway, your choice.
3. That's a lot of money for an SSD of that capacity, unless you want a prosumer offering that might be slightly more reliable I guess?
4. If you're going for the reliability angle, Corsair CX is not the way to do it.
5. 8 GB of RAM is likely fine, but if you're throwing money around, like on a Core i7, then maybe 16 GB isn't totally crazy? What programs are you even running, and what do they use? In any case, RAM is something you can easily upgrade later if needed.
6. The monitors don't have VESA mounts. Check the specs/pictures. Especially for a large array and one in which you're looking upwards at some screens I'd spend the extra on IPS models anyway. You're probably not going to use max brightness unless your room is really bright, so that is a useless spec. For those games and for trading, the response time is not a big deal on a modern display.
7. Hold off on the video card until you know which monitors you're using and thus what video connections you will need.
Thanks for the feedback, really appreciate it.
1. if the i5 can do the job, - I'll make the changes
2. I wasn't sure if having 6 monitors would mean that things would get a bit hot under the box, if that isn't the case then I shouldn't need an aftermarket cooler
3. I'm not familiar with the prosumer term, can you elaborate pls? <3
4. what power supply would you recommend? is the wattage important? or am I only looking for something t hat is 400+?
5. haha I am mainly using Ninja trader and internet browser, probably shouldn't use up more than 2gb of memory at a time, so I think 8GB is probably more than enough
6. I've made changes, these monitors are IPS models and have VESA mounts!
Here is the new build I've put together based on your comments, please critique!
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/zZwWCJ
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($268.95 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($94.75 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.98 @ NCIX)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.98 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($68.53 @ DirectCanada)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($19.95 @ Vuugo)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($107.92 @ shopRBC)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($199.00 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($199.00 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($199.00 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($199.00 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($199.00 @ Vuugo)
Monitor: Asus VS239H-P 23.0" Monitor ($199.00 @ Vuugo)
Total: $1924.06
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-05 18:20 EDT-0400
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I wasn't sure if having 6 monitors would mean that things would get a bit hot under the box, if that isn't the case then I shouldn't need an aftermarket cooler
If anything got hot, it would be the GPU (so cpu cooler wouldn't help there) - but running something like a web browser on 6 monitors is easy for any modern GPU, it's just a matter of having the right connectors
you'd probably want a good quality 450w PSU (rosewill capstone for example, but depends on pricing). Just because there are few good PSU's below that wattage range
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Firstly, how are you planning to use the 6 monitors?
So you're aware, Nvidia only supports 4 monitors in sli and I think that's true even with a single card. You can use two cards outside of sli and leverage the ports fully on both, but keep in mind you wouldn't be getting the strength of the second card for gaming.
AMD has superior support for large numbers of monitors, though the performance of crossfire trails behind that of Nvida's sli. In any event, if you do choose AMD you can get a displayport hub which will allow you to run three monitors off a single displayport 1.4 or greater port (basically every dport you get these days is at least 1.4). I've used this in the past, which worked with some minor quirkiness at times (was fine on 3 screen gaming). This will work with 3x 1080p/1200p monitors all the way up to 2x 1440p plus 1x 1080p/1200p (but not 3 1440p monitors). http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814997003
Additionally, since those monitors do not have VESA mount holes you have no way of mounting them to something (like an arm), which means you'd basically have to have all 6 side by side. Your field of vision only spans about three side. If you want to do rows of 3 on the bottom and 3 on the top you'll basically need to buy an arm mount and get at least three monitors with VESA holes.
Further, those monitors do not come with a DisplayPort connection (only dsub, dvi, hdmi). You can usually only run two monitors on a single card (a combination of 2 dsub, dvi, or hdmi). You'll need an active adapter to convert others to a DisplayPort connection that will let you use a third or more on a single card.
If you change monitors to ones with DisplayPort connections then you can sidestep this issue - the aforementioned limit does not apply to monitors using DisplayPort for technical reasons (therefore the ideal choice is having a VGA card with multiple DisplayPort slots and monitors also with DisplayPort connections).
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Most Intel motherboards can run three monitors and most, if not all current generation high-end video cards can run three displays off DVI DVI HDMI, four+ if you use DP.
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VS239H-P has 100x100 mm VESA mounting holes. 200 CAD just seems like a high price to pay for just a 1080p IPS monitor that's an older eIPS model. That said, I looked around a few places and didn't find an extraordinarily better value anywhere.
A model with thinner bezels might also be nicer in a large array, but it may not make that much difference for you.
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just wondering how much better an Asus Z97 pro or aGIGABYTE GA-Z97X-UD5H is compared to an msi z97 gaming 5 especially for overclocking? thinking about swapping boards. also would you guys recommend an nzxt kraken x61 or a corsair water cooler? and finally corsair vengeance pro ram or hyper x fury?
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It's probably extremely difficult to show any real performance difference between them. The z97-pro and z97x-ud5h are higher end boards for features that you probably don't care about (but might) - just get a GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 if you don't have a particular reason for buying something else and want a decent quality board that won't limit overclocking.
Why do you want a closed loop liquid cooler, particularly? Now that i have sp120's myself and i know firsthand that the fans used for those CLC's are actually like four times louder (literally) than any of the fans used for high end air coolers (silver arrow, nh-d15, cryorig stuff etc) i wouldn't recommend the big price premium to anyone unless you want to get a 2x140mm CLC and run it in push/pull on an intake because you really care about the last 5c on cpu temperatures that much. I didn't recommend them anyway if you could fit a good air cooler, but it's eye opening
corsair vengeance or hyper x RAM is irrelevant aside from asthetics. In both cases, corsair and kingston are just buying memory chips from someone else and writing their name on the side with a fancy useless heatspreader. Buy what's cheapest at reasonable specs unless you have some pretty advanced knowledge for RAM overclocking.
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Hello! It's time to get a new PC. Mines 7 years old and everything needs replacing. I want to make my own pc for the first time and would like your opinion on the build and possible substitutions for things. There is a Memory Express in my city so I took everything off their website. If you know of a better price for something somewhere that would be great to know :D
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DH3 ($100)
CPU: Intel I5-4460 3.2 GHZ ($245)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX750 ($150 in free games with it too) ($160)
Memory: RipjawsZ Series 16GB PC3-12800 Quad Channel DDR3 Kit (4 x 4GB) ($160)
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO 250GB ($160)
Case: Thermaltake Commander G41 ($90)
DVD drive: The first DVD drive on the website for $20.
Monitor: Samsung SyncMaster 21.5in S22D300HY($135)
Power Supplies I am clueless about and honestly have no idea what to get or even what I need. Would like some input here
Total price so far is $1070 without a power supply.
Am I missing anything? I plan to use the PC to play games like Planetside 2, Hearthstone, SC2 and stream videos. Would like to play on the highest settings. Not that a modern PC under 2k in price can run PS2 on high but still :p For the storage I may add a hard drive is space becomes something I am low on. I got a 512GB HD right now and its got 300GB free so I figure the 250GB SSD should be OK. Just as an aside, I would like a windowed case if you suggest something else.
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Not that a modern PC under 2k in price can run PS2 on high but still :p
They actually can. You shouldn't be getting a GPU like a 750 though. Go for a 960 or r9 280.
you can get 2x4GB of RAM and get another 2x4GB if/when you need it,
When you say stream videos, you mean watching stuff?
It's kinda better to get the i5 4570-4690 because they are clocked a bit higher and turbo higher, unless the price gap is big
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On April 06 2015 18:30 Cyro wrote:They actually can. You shouldn't be getting a GPU like a 750 though. Go for a 960 or r9 280. you can get 2x4GB of RAM and get another 2x4GB if/when you need it, When you say stream videos, you mean watching stuff? It's kinda better to get the i5 4570-4690 because they are clocked a bit higher and turbo higher, unless the price gap is big
Yes watching stuff. I aint good enough to steam and get people to watch me lol
Did the upgrades(vid card was 120 more and the 4690 is only 40 more for .3ghz) and the ram downgrade, forgot I needed Windows so added that too and got my build to $1269. Still no power supply though. Thinkin This is good enough?
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OK guys I have a question for you. I am thinking about changing my parts: CPU, motherboard, PSU, case. Only that. Now my question. I want to add to those parts, my SSDs, HDD and GPU, straight out of my previous PC without reinstalling anything (Windows 7, all programs, games etc). Will it work ? I mean i know it will, but maybe a better question is, is there anything seriously wrong about that idea ?
I have i5 2nd gen stock fan and I would probably switch to latest i5 or i7 k-version with custom fan and overclocking in mind.
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Did the upgrades(vid card was 120 more and the 4690 is only 40 more for .3ghz)
the 4460 runs at 3.2ghz with 4-core load, while the 4690 does 3.7ghz, a 15.625% frequency gain. $40 is still a lot though. I don't know the best PSU options for canada ATM
straight out of my previous PC without reinstalling anything (Windows 7, all programs, games etc)
Motherboard is the problem there. You should really reinstall with a new mobo. Almost all parts are can just boot up with new stuff installed, but new motherboard on old windows can be problematic.
You shouldn't upgrade from Sandy bridge to Haswell (1 tock) when we're only 5 months away from Skylake. Just wait and grab that (6'th gen core) and overclock on launch.
Sandy bridge (2'nd gen) <<<<< Haswell (current) <<<<< skylake (~5 months away)
ivy bridge and broadwell are thrown in there too, but they are just die shrinks. ^Those are the gens worth paying real attention to for performance upgrades.
we've had Haswell for 22 months already.
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Is there anything wrong about buying a prebuilt branded pc, and upgrading video card + psu, instead of building the whole thing?
Those usually come with a decent cpu but with a beyond-crap video card.
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You'd be paying for assembly and probably a bottom tier case, motherboard and PSU, and then replacing the PSU anyway which is one of the most annoying parts about building (unplugging everything, routing+securing cables and plugging -everything- in again)
The only reason they usually have decent CPU's is because a CPU is a CPU and it's pretty hard to fuck that up. Most places selling prebuilts are just various tiers of trash with the big exception of a few sites like www.overclockers.co.uk that actually do quality builds with baseline systems that make some sense and give you dropdowns to choose parts you want (or ability to just call in and say hey, can you put X with in Y system for me)
there are some not-so-bad prebuilts, but there are so many terrible ones with 300% price markups and friends looking to upgrade where it's just like hey you probably shouldn't use this case (doesn't fit cpu coolers, way inadequate airflow around gpu), PSU is a fire hazard when under actual load and shouldn't be in 800 euro system, etc. Building fresh is a lot of trouble if you don't know what you're doing and you're not particularly interested in it, but then again so is building around random junk.
If you know what you're buying and it's priced alright then it's totally doable and probably even easier - but plz no random dell's off the shelf of a shop to be used as strong gaming systems, that just hurts my head
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@cyro Im gonna go with the noctua d15 but i also want to add corsair sp120s, my question is do you recommend the high performance or the quiet edition
case - nzxt h440
cpu - i5-4690k
mobo - msi z97 gaming 5
gpu- msi gtx 970
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I'm no Cyro (and happy birthday!) but I would just take a Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power and pocket the other $45. If you're chasing the last degree or two—at equivalent noise levels—and maybe another 100 MHz, it's possible going up the ladder to $100 could help you out.
http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-True-Spirit-140-Power/dp/B00IYEEOMO/
There's always the Noctua NH-D15, Phanteks PH-TC14PE, Thermalright Silver Arrow, etc. The dual 140 mm CLCs are a little bit better but over $100.
The front on the H440 is kind of restrictive, what with openings on only one side, so that's kind of a limiting factor too. Unless you overpower that by say replacing the fans and getting something noisier, I don't know for example how well cranking a dual tower at 2x 2000 rpm would work, for example. This is in my opinion a reason for staying with a relatively efficient cooler like the True Spirit 140 Power that comes with a relatively relaxed fan.
edit: whoops seemingly the above post was edited while I was writing this. Originally it asked for coolers with a $100 budget and had no mention of SP120s.
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On April 07 2015 01:10 Myrmidon wrote:I'm no Cyro (and happy birthday!) but I would just take a Thermalright True Spirit 140 Power and pocket the other $45. If you're chasing the last degree or two—at equivalent noise levels—and maybe another 100 MHz, it's possible going up the ladder to $100 could help you out. http://www.amazon.com/Thermalright-True-Spirit-140-Power/dp/B00IYEEOMO/There's always the Noctua NH-D15, Phanteks PH-TC14PE, Thermalright Silver Arrow, etc. The dual 140 mm CLCs are a little bit better but over $100. The front on the H440 is kind of restrictive, what with openings on only one side, so that's kind of a limiting factor too. Unless you overpower that by say replacing the fans and getting something noisier, I don't know for example how well cranking a dual tower at 2x 2000 rpm would work, for example. This is in my opinion a reason for staying with a relatively efficient cooler like the True Spirit 140 Power that comes with a relatively relaxed fan.
so you think i should do true spirit 140 + corsair sp120 over noctua d15 + sp120s?
also whats the better sp120 to get, quiet or performance
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