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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 28 2015 08:24 GMT
#9421
On March 28 2015 09:48 Chexx wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

What is your budget?
~800€ (+100)

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920*1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
the newest single player games and upcoming multiplayer games like overwatch etc

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
streaming said games

Do you intend to overclock?
probably not

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
I dont know

Do you need an operating system?
found one

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
nope

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
no. efficency/performance > all

What country will you be buying your parts in?
germany

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
germany based ones


Power Supply: 600 Watt Corsair CX
Case: Corsair Carbide Series Spec-03
RAM: 8GB g.Skill DDr3-1333
Graphics: 2048MB Palit Geforce GTX 960
CPU: AMD FX Series FX-8350 8x 4.00GHz So.AM3+ BOX
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G43 AMD 970
Storage: 240GB Kingston SSDNow + 1000GB Seagate Desktop SSHD
DVD: LiteOn IHAS 124-04

That was my build but now I have some extra money( ~100€) and was wondering if its enough to get a significant upgrade somewhere. Maybe get the 4GB version of the GTX 960? Is it worth it?




To add to Cyro's advice, here's a PSU I would recommend:

http://www.amazon.de/XFX-P1-450S-X2B9-Edition-Wired-PC-Netzteil/dp/B005FPT38U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1427530952&sr=8-2&keywords=xfx 450
maru lover forever
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-28 10:41:01
March 28 2015 10:40 GMT
#9422
[image loading]

The other possibility would be keep the GTX 960 and get the Intel processor.

Changelog:
- changed RAM
- SSD
- Graphics card
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-28 19:32:10
March 28 2015 19:31 GMT
#9423
You should definitely get the intel CPU

that 970 isn't a great model, i was comparing stuff like the msi gaming 970 vs the tri-x 290
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
March 28 2015 20:23 GMT
#9424
On March 29 2015 04:31 Cyro wrote:
You should definitely get the intel CPU

that 970 isn't a great model, i was comparing stuff like the msi gaming 970 vs the tri-x 290


So keep the GTX 960 2GB? and instead get an Intel. I am not really knowledgeable with OC what do I need to make it work? Isnt it taxing the durability of the processor too hard?
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
March 28 2015 20:25 GMT
#9425
On March 29 2015 05:23 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 04:31 Cyro wrote:
You should definitely get the intel CPU

that 970 isn't a great model, i was comparing stuff like the msi gaming 970 vs the tri-x 290


So keep the GTX 960 2GB? and instead get an Intel. I am not really knowledgeable with OC what do I need to make it work? Isnt it taxing the durability of the processor too hard?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/426532-computer-build-upgrade-and-buying-resource-thread#00

960 to 970/290 gap is so big that i think you should probably just go for stock i5 and one of those GPU's
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 00:00:48
March 28 2015 20:26 GMT
#9426
On March 29 2015 05:25 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 05:23 Chexx wrote:
On March 29 2015 04:31 Cyro wrote:
You should definitely get the intel CPU

that 970 isn't a great model, i was comparing stuff like the msi gaming 970 vs the tri-x 290


So keep the GTX 960 2GB? and instead get an Intel. I am not really knowledgeable with OC what do I need to make it work? Isnt it taxing the durability of the processor too hard?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/426532-computer-build-upgrade-and-buying-resource-thread#00

960 to 970/290 gap is so big that i think you should probably just go for stock i5 and one of those GPU's

But isnt a big gap in performance a better investment?

edit: Now I understand what you meant!
I compared the two 970 what makes the MSI Gaming so much better except that it has a little bit higher MHz?
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
March 29 2015 00:57 GMT
#9427
So... I'm looking for a cheap headset. U.S. market. Limited access to brick & mortar.

Budget: under $50
Priorities in order of importance: 1 - good mic quality (people on the other end can understand me)
2 - durability
3 - being as far under $50 as possible.

Things I don't care about: sound quality of the headphones. In fact, if there's a viable stand-alone mic solution that can magically pick up my voice & not my speakers, I might be willing to try it.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
March 29 2015 01:43 GMT
#9428
On March 29 2015 05:26 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 05:25 Cyro wrote:
On March 29 2015 05:23 Chexx wrote:
On March 29 2015 04:31 Cyro wrote:
You should definitely get the intel CPU

that 970 isn't a great model, i was comparing stuff like the msi gaming 970 vs the tri-x 290


So keep the GTX 960 2GB? and instead get an Intel. I am not really knowledgeable with OC what do I need to make it work? Isnt it taxing the durability of the processor too hard?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/426532-computer-build-upgrade-and-buying-resource-thread#00

960 to 970/290 gap is so big that i think you should probably just go for stock i5 and one of those GPU's

But isnt a big gap in performance a better investment?

edit: Now I understand what you meant!
I compared the two 970 what makes the MSI Gaming so much better except that it has a little bit higher MHz?


better cooler, able to oc a little better
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 13:12:07
March 29 2015 12:45 GMT
#9429
On March 29 2015 10:43 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 05:26 Chexx wrote:
On March 29 2015 05:25 Cyro wrote:
On March 29 2015 05:23 Chexx wrote:
On March 29 2015 04:31 Cyro wrote:
You should definitely get the intel CPU

that 970 isn't a great model, i was comparing stuff like the msi gaming 970 vs the tri-x 290


So keep the GTX 960 2GB? and instead get an Intel. I am not really knowledgeable with OC what do I need to make it work? Isnt it taxing the durability of the processor too hard?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/426532-computer-build-upgrade-and-buying-resource-thread#00

960 to 970/290 gap is so big that i think you should probably just go for stock i5 and one of those GPU's

But isnt a big gap in performance a better investment?

edit: Now I understand what you meant!
I compared the two 970 what makes the MSI Gaming so much better except that it has a little bit higher MHz?


better cooler, able to oc a little better



i5 (4570-4690) or 4790k with the MSI Gaming GTX 970.

Why the Intel processors over the AMD one? The AMD has 4Ghz and 8 cores while the Intel one only 4 cores and 3.2/3.5Ghz

The changed RAM, SSD and Power Supply are good?

Btw. Thanks for helping
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
March 29 2015 14:06 GMT
#9430
On March 29 2015 09:57 MisterFred wrote:
So... I'm looking for a cheap headset. U.S. market. Limited access to brick & mortar.

Budget: under $50
Priorities in order of importance: 1 - good mic quality (people on the other end can understand me)
2 - durability
3 - being as far under $50 as possible.

Things I don't care about: sound quality of the headphones. In fact, if there's a viable stand-alone mic solution that can magically pick up my voice & not my speakers, I might be willing to try it.


desktop mic + earbuds
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 23:44:44
March 29 2015 23:43 GMT
#9431
On March 29 2015 21:45 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2015 10:43 Cyro wrote:
On March 29 2015 05:26 Chexx wrote:
On March 29 2015 05:25 Cyro wrote:
On March 29 2015 05:23 Chexx wrote:
On March 29 2015 04:31 Cyro wrote:
You should definitely get the intel CPU

that 970 isn't a great model, i was comparing stuff like the msi gaming 970 vs the tri-x 290


So keep the GTX 960 2GB? and instead get an Intel. I am not really knowledgeable with OC what do I need to make it work? Isnt it taxing the durability of the processor too hard?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/426532-computer-build-upgrade-and-buying-resource-thread#00

960 to 970/290 gap is so big that i think you should probably just go for stock i5 and one of those GPU's

But isnt a big gap in performance a better investment?

edit: Now I understand what you meant!
I compared the two 970 what makes the MSI Gaming so much better except that it has a little bit higher MHz?


better cooler, able to oc a little better



i5 (4570-4690) or 4790k with the MSI Gaming GTX 970.

Why the Intel processors over the AMD one? The AMD has 4Ghz and 8 cores while the Intel one only 4 cores and 3.2/3.5Ghz

The changed RAM, SSD and Power Supply are good?

Btw. Thanks for helping



AMD's current CPU architecture doesn't use cores, it uses modules with some shared resources and two threads. It's functionally quite like a CPU with 4 cores that can expand to the performance of ~6.7 cores in certain loads.

However those cores are much weaker than Intel's, so they need that 6.7x performance just to stay on par with i5 (and i7 is faster). They can only do that on certain tasks though, so for a variety of games that can't scale to very effectively utilizing 7 or 8 threads, Intel's CPU's are faster. For playing Starcraft 2, Heroes of the Storm or WoW for example, an Intel CPU around 3ghz is around as fast as those piledriver CPU's at 5ghz - and if you're clocking higher (i5 turbo's to ~3.7ghz with all cores, 4790k does 4.2ghz and OC'd CPU can regularly hit 4.6-4.7 or so) then they have a huge performance advantage.

Those CPU's were never the choice to buy unless you were doing tasks like some very heavy rendering or video encoding (which can scale to many threads very well) but AMD stopped refreshing them due to not competing on performance well and losing money, so at this point it's a 2012 era CPU that traded blows with intel's january 2011 CPU's (just not so good for singlethreaded performance and some games) but is horribly out of date now, competing 1 or very soon 2 major CPU generations out of its depth

tl;dr 1ghz on one CPU can be way slower than 1ghz on another CPU, and on top of that AMD's marketing team's definition of a "core" isn't the same as Intel's right now
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
March 29 2015 23:51 GMT
#9432
On March 28 2015 19:40 Chexx wrote:
[image loading]

The other possibility would be keep the GTX 960 and get the Intel processor.

Changelog:
- changed RAM
- SSD
- Graphics card


If you can afford GTX 980, buy it instead. 970 is funny:
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 00:02:51
March 30 2015 00:01 GMT
#9433
980 is unusable for builds on any kind of real budget, dat 1.65x cost increase for 14% more VRAM and 20% more FPS. Most of all it's just a bad buy because it will probably fall in price by 150-200 euros in a couple months at some random date when amd actually releases a GPU and nvidia responds to it

3.5GB usable VRAM isn't a big deal for most people. It's just really annoying to some hardware enthusiasts who buy for specs rather than performance/usability (as weird as that sounds)

the xfx 450w core is good, i think the mx100 is a little faster than the bx100 but i'm not really up to date there. Should be similar

RAM, just make sure it's 2x4GB (and not a single stick) - c9 is better @ 1600mhz
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 00:10:43
March 30 2015 00:05 GMT
#9434
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920*1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
the newest single player games and upcoming multiplayer games like overwatch etc preferable on high settings

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
streaming said games
[image loading]
So this would be it.
Am I missing something? Whats the difference between Box and Tray for the CPU?
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4690-4x-3-50GHz-So-1150-TRAY_961197.html
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/Intel-Core-i5-4690-4x-3-50GHz-So-1150-BOX_960037.html

450W Power Supply enough? RAM ok? SSD okay? NVM just saw your reply!

This would be my stand in for the graphic card
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/4096MB-MSI-GeForce-GTX-970-OC--Nvidia-Layout--Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_978585.html

Or are the 45€ worth it to upgrade it to the Gaming version?
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 00:54:52
March 30 2015 00:54 GMT
#9435
yes 450w is good, RAM is ok (but again cl9 better than cl11 :d) and yes worth 45 euro to go to gaming version IMO

the "tray" version might not be the retail one with included stock cooler etc. IDK, there's usually only a 10 euro price difference between them for uk retailers
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Banaora
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany234 Posts
March 30 2015 07:28 GMT
#9436
Chexx, you need a motherboard that supports the intel processor you buy! The one in your list only suports AMD.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10859 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 07:54:06
March 30 2015 07:53 GMT
#9437
So I'm ditching my crossfire 270 x's gonna try and sell them for whatever I can get. Trying to decide between a 970 or a 290 but I am currently leaning towards a 970. Will probably sli/crossfire in the very near future for funzies so that needs to be a consideration. Got a silverstone strider plus 750 watt so that might be a limiting factor.

Any advice/recommendations?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
March 30 2015 12:27 GMT
#9438
On March 30 2015 16:28 Banaora wrote:
Chexx, you need a motherboard that supports the intel processor you buy! The one in your list only suports AMD.

oh thanks fixed it
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
March 30 2015 13:49 GMT
#9439
I am building a mini ITX PC. I wanna play all the "standard" multiplayer games (SC2, LoL, DOTA2, CS:GO) and it would be nice if some bigger games like GTAV or new Witcher would run smoothly at 1080p.

Intel Core i5-4460 in-a-Box
ASRock H97M-ITX/ac, Sockel 1150, ITX
8GB-Kit Crucial Ballistix Sport Series DDR3-1600, CL9
Cooler Master Elite 130, ohne Netzteil
be quiet! PURE POWER L8 500W

A used GTX 960 will come later from a friend who is upgrading soon.

Do the components match? Especially with the limited size factor...
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 14:07:55
March 30 2015 14:06 GMT
#9440
On March 30 2015 22:49 chroniX wrote:
I am building a mini ITX PC. I wanna play all the "standard" multiplayer games (SC2, LoL, DOTA2, CS:GO) and it would be nice if some bigger games like GTAV or new Witcher would run smoothly at 1080p.

Intel Core i5-4460 in-a-Box
ASRock H97M-ITX/ac, Sockel 1150, ITX
8GB-Kit Crucial Ballistix Sport Series DDR3-1600, CL9
Cooler Master Elite 130, ohne Netzteil
be quiet! PURE POWER L8 500W

A used GTX 960 will come later from a friend who is upgrading soon.

Do the components match? Especially with the limited size factor...


PCPartPicker says there is no problem: http://de.pcpartpicker.com/p/QbFqgs

However, others should be more qualified to give you advice for performance.
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