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Myrmidon
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That's both the quiet and performance models. Those are similar in quality and character, just with different operating ranges. | ||
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GinyuSC
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On March 08 2015 07:08 Blazinghand wrote: ok! Thanks for the advice. How about a Corsair CX430m which on newegg at least seems to have good reviews. here's what things look like now: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Pentium G3220 3.0GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: *Biostar B85MG Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($44.99 @ Amazon) Memory: *G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($55.99 @ Newegg) Storage: *Western Digital WD Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon) Case: NZXT Source 220 ATX Mid Tower Case ($48.14 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair CX 430W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.98 @ Newegg) Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ Newegg) Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN3800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($31.99 @ Newegg) Total: $376.05 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available *Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-07 17:07 EST-0500 The large HD is because dad has lots of documents (videos, pictures, music etc) scattered across several HDs right now and I want them all available on his computer. On March 08 2015 08:20 Blazinghand wrote: ok, I'll do that. Going with a seagate barracuda as the main drive I assembled this and set it up for my Dad, and he's over the moon! It works great and does all he needs. Mondo upgrade. Thanks for the help, Cyro and skyR! | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I generally figure that the enthusiast overclockers obsessing over a few degrees are not the guys asking here and not the guys with stock H440s, though my assumptions are often wrong. | ||
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GinyuSC
United States63 Posts
On April 07 2015 02:21 Myrmidon wrote: If you're an enthusiast overclocker obsessing over a few degrees and have the space and no regard for money, get the NH-D15. If you want something generally more than good enough for a Core i5, you can look at a range of options less expensive, including the True Spirit 140 Power (not to be confused with the original True Spirit 140, though that is good too). I generally figure that the enthusiast overclockers obsessing over a few degrees are not the guys asking here and not the guys with stock H440s, though my assumptions are often wrong. nope youre not wrong im just new to this and just wanted to make sure i figured out which would be best for me. thanks a lot for the help  probably gonna snag the cooler today | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
What do I need to do when upgrading the RAM other than pulling out the old sticks & sticking in the new ones? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20297 Posts
For coolers, Nh-d15 is a little overrated and overpriced i think. I've seen data with other coolers stacking up well against it, particularly in high heat situations with good airflow. The fin density isn't very good, so it does well with low RPM fans but doesn't scale as well as a few other heatsinks. It cuts off a significant chunk of the heatsink so that you can fit overly tall RAM on either side of it on the quad channel boards that have RAM on each side of the CPU, which is just silly IMO when RAM does not need to be anywhere near that tall. --- ty-147 and ty-143 are the king fans for those big coolers. 143's have an RPM range of 600 (extremely quiet) to 2500 (jet engine). They push a LOT more air than sp120's, The stats say almost twice as much and having some sp120's on my case and ty-147's (lower maxRPM brother of the 143) i can believe that. sp120's are too small when you can fit 140-150mm fans on those heatsinks. --- For air cooling if you want the ability to turn up noise for performance and you want a good heatsink, i would get a true spirit 140 power and a ty-143 (they cost ~£6 here) - there is the issue though that the ty-143 fans are often or usually not sold with the mounting bracket thing for them, though. It's the same as the one used to mount the original fan to those thermalright heatsinks though, so you can swap them but then you can't use the fan you got off there as a case fan etc without more brackets (or another mounting solution) For most people, ty-147 (on the true spirit 140 power and silver arrow etc by default) is powerful enough and quiet at load. If you want to run higher airflow, then you'd need to take a really big look at what you're doing with your case airflow to supply air and stop it recycling around your CPU cooler intake, you end up needing another really powerful fan on your exhaust behind the CPU cooler and a bunch of extra good case fans and it's a big mess to go into if you're not doing it for the fun of being an enthusiast :D --- For ty-143 and sp120's on 12v - i thought i was someone who didn't really mind noise and i was wrong, those fans are great at max speed but i would not run them or similar beasts without good fan control. I think they both work at 5v, so a ~5v-12v controller on the ones you want to go over 7v at any time would be nice. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
I would only upgrade if its a "huge" jump, dont see upgrading to get like 8fps worth the money so keep that in mind and thanks in advance for the help  oh edit: might be good to know that i ve a bequite 450w bronze psu, running with a 3570k@4,4ghz | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20297 Posts
Your choices are pretty much just the r9 280 (rebranded 7950, available when you bought your GPU but now much cheaper) or the 960 (much more efficient than your GPU gen with a few added/improved features like MFAA and better NVENC, but still not that great performance per euro and comparable to a gtx680) The tier after that (there's unfortunately a huge performance gap here) is rather expensive, with 290's coming in at ~310 euros and overloading your PSU vs 970's at closer to 400 euros with no better performance. --- Overall, an r9 280 would probably be better performance/euro for you, but the 960 is still a very solid buy for some people due to having NVENC (encoder on GPU for recording/streaming with no CPU load and the lowest impact on gameplay possible from any solution, though not as good quality as cpu encoding at the same bitrate) Also for nvidia, they have 1.5x as high performance in WoW when CPU bound due to AMD's neglect of CPU bound directx 11 performance of their GPU driver and that is unlikely to change in the near future. If you play WoW a lot unless you don't care about those FPS drops around cities, raids, large scale pvp etc then nvidia is hugely in favor That upgrade is too small for comfort IMO. Maybe you could get closer to 2x as fast instead of 1.5x faster if your current card is stock and you're OCing new one, but that's not a fair comparison. I don't remember performance numbers that well waay too many words in this post D: | ||
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GinyuSC
United States63 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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TheBlueOne
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First I'd like to apologize for every language mistakes I'll make. I'm pretty bad at english since it isn't my native language and I hope it won't hurt your eyes too much. To be honest I'm a total newbie and since I showed interrest in building my own PC, a friend redirected me to this thread. It has been a week now that I'm watching tutorials and reviews to choose every parts. And I'd like to show you what I came up with. If you could watch my configuration and give me some feedback, I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you in advance for your help! What is your budget? around 1000 CHF (swiss franc) it's almost the same as 1000 Euros nowaday. What is your monitor's native resolution? 1980*1080 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Sc2, LoL, DotA 2, BioShock, Diablo, flight simulator x etc.. I'm looking for high to max settings. Although I don't expect too much from this settup for flight simulator. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? It will mostly be for gaming purposes. Do you intend to overclock? Yes in the future Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. What country will you be buying your parts in? Switzerland If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Prodimex.ch since it's the closest retailer I know. But to be honest this shouldnt be an issue. So here's my build. I still struggle finding a PSU that would fit in. I'm not really sure about my motherboard, and I'll be adding one or two HDD in the future. CPU: INTEL Quad Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz up to 3.9 GHz [ LGA1150 - 6MB - 22 nm - 88 W ] HD Graphics 4600 (CHF 252.60) MotherBoard: ASROCK Z97 Anniversary ( Intel Z97 - Socket 1150 ) (CHF 101.00) Memory: DDR3 8GB [2x4GB] DDR1600 (PC3-12800) - KINGSTON Value [KVR16N11S8K2/8] (CHF 66.20) Storage: SSD Drive 250 GB 2.5" SATA CRUCIAL BX100 (7mm) [ CT250BX100SSD1 ] (CHF 101.70) Graphic Card: ASUS STRIX-GTX960-DC2OC-2GD5 PCIe ( GeForce GTX960 2048MB DVI HDMI 3xDisplay port ) (CHF 224.00) Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro Full Tower Chassis with Window Cases PH-ES614P_BK (110.00 CHF) OS: MICROSOFT Windows 8.1 OEM 64-bit DVD 1 user (CHF 101.10) All in all it puts me at 956.6.- CHF. I still need a PSU and I'm looking for one that is quiet. I've been told that I shouldnt cheap out on my PSU so my budget for it is around 120 CHF (equivalent to Euro). I'm a little bit confused on how I should choose though. Thank's for reading! | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20297 Posts
You should get a better mobo for overclocking, the z97 anniversary has one of the weakest VRM's and was kinda shipped for overclocking the g3258 which has under half of the power consumption of the 4690k ga-z97x-gaming 5 is quite good, but some cheaper ones can work fine. I'd recommend just buying the cooler outright and overclocking straight away | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
On April 07 2015 21:45 Cyro wrote: Current hardware isn't THAT much better at peroformance/euro to be able to take a huge upgrade over a 660 at that budget. If your 660 is still stock and doesn't OC well, maybe there would be a sizeable gap there. Your choices are pretty much just the r9 280 (rebranded 7950, available when you bought your GPU but now much cheaper) or the 960 (much more efficient than your GPU gen with a few added/improved features like MFAA and better NVENC, but still not that great performance per euro and comparable to a gtx680) The tier after that (there's unfortunately a huge performance gap here) is rather expensive, with 290's coming in at ~310 euros and overloading your PSU vs 970's at closer to 400 euros with no better performance. --- Overall, an r9 280 would probably be better performance/euro for you, but the 960 is still a very solid buy for some people due to having NVENC (encoder on GPU for recording/streaming with no CPU load and the lowest impact on gameplay possible from any solution, though not as good quality as cpu encoding at the same bitrate) Also for nvidia, they have 1.5x as high performance in WoW when CPU bound due to AMD's neglect of CPU bound directx 11 performance of their GPU driver and that is unlikely to change in the near future. If you play WoW a lot unless you don't care about those FPS drops around cities, raids, large scale pvp etc then nvidia is hugely in favor That upgrade is too small for comfort IMO. Maybe you could get closer to 2x as fast instead of 1.5x faster if your current card is stock and you're OCing new one, but that's not a fair comparison. I don't remember performance numbers that well waay too many words in this post D: thanks, guess ill stick with the 660 for now and see how gta5 and witcher 3 perform with my current rig | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
The witcher3 should also run fine on med/high as the game is also designed to work on console. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20297 Posts
On April 08 2015 05:49 Kupon3ss wrote: gta5 should run fine on a 660 since 660 + decent processor significantly outperforms the consoles most of the time The witcher3 should also run fine on med/high as the game is also designed to work on console. Witcher 3 is designed to run on console with low graphical settings at 1080p on ps4, 900p (1.44x lower) on xbox one while targeting to maintain 30fps most of the time. Some people might be happy with that, for others it's unacceptable | ||
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