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ImFromPortugal
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal1368 Posts
February 18 2015 16:20 GMT
#9101
So guys i have been thinking about buying a new pc since mine is 7 - 8 years old... what do you guys think of this build ?




i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz
Asus H55 LGA 1156 motherboard
4GB DDR3 memory
GTX 760
320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD
Cooler Master Wavemaster Case
Arctic Silver Freezer 7 cpu cooler
Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard
Yes im
89vision
Profile Joined September 2010
United States70 Posts
February 18 2015 17:30 GMT
#9102
On February 17 2015 11:02 89vision wrote:
Hello, this thread served me very well in the past, thought I'd give it another go after my girlfriend asked me to build her a school PC/HTPC for our living room.
Thanks!

What is your budget?
$350 USD

What is your monitor's native resolution?
I tried looking on Samsung’s website but I will be using an existing TV. Model LN40B550K1F. It’s 1080p and 16 : 9, that is all I know. A smaller monitor will be added later as a second monitor for internet use.

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
No games will be played on this PC

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
This PC’s intended use is as a HTPC. Its secondary use will be for school work including writing papers, viewing school websites, etc.

Do you intend to overclock?
I am comfortable with overclocking Intel CPU’s, I currently use an i2500k @ 4.3Ghz with 0 issues. If this is beneficial for cost performance for a HTPC and keeps me in budget it is very easy to do. My concern would be the cooler unit, I would like to keep the case size down as much as possible.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
Yes.
I will look into getting a school discount on windows. I do have a copy of Windows7 that I am using for my main PC, is it possible to use that copy or will registration fail/report me to bill gates hit squad?

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Not immediately, using a current TV at first but will likely add a 19” monitor in the future.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I would like the HTPC to be as quiet and small as possible because it is going to be in a common area that is used for entertainment and media viewing.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
USA

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
I have shoprunner and amazon prime, so if those could be used that would be cool to save on shipping costs. Other than that, no.



The machine will be windows, I believe windows 7 or 8 is available through the university for $10. I will double check today when I have a chance. I like windows 7, so unless there is some benefit to getting windows 8 for a HTPC I will just use what I am familiar with.

I don't think I need very much storage. The media for this machine is going to be 90% streamed. We also have a blu-ray player already for that format. I do have about 100 movies that I could potentially load onto the HDD if there is space, and they are almost all <1gb each. They were obtained when I was in college in 2004-06 and are currently burned onto DVDRW discs, so depending on HDD space that will decide that. This is not a huge concern. I could cut down the ones to load to 30-50 easily, or just leave them on disc.

I have never trans-coded video to my knowledge, and while I understand the definition of this term, I do not know in what situation I would use it. Please explain.

Thanks.
An itch only a deadlift can scratch
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-18 19:27:22
February 18 2015 18:30 GMT
#9103
On February 19 2015 01:20 ImFromPortugal wrote:
So guys i have been thinking about buying a new pc since mine is 7 - 8 years old... what do you guys think of this build ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZR-a35sxLg


i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz
Asus H55 LGA 1156 motherboard
4GB DDR3 memory
GTX 760
320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD
Cooler Master Wavemaster Case
Arctic Silver Freezer 7 cpu cooler
Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard


That "new" CPU is 5.5 years old, gtx760 has kinda been replaced by the 960 now which came in at similar price with better performance, way less power consumption/heat output and a few nice things like support for MFAA and faster NVENC (so it depends how cheap you could get that 760 and how good of a 760 it is, if it's reference cooler or a good cooler on it etc). Also random wireless/mouse keyboard combo could either be alright for you, or just dragging the price up because you might want something better performing.

4GB of RAM isn't really enough; it can't kill consoles when it doesn't have enough RAM to run some of their games properly.

I would start with a pentium g3258 + OC (or i3) with a gtx750 (or 260x) and work up from there.

Those CPU's are pretty alright because you can buy them used for very low prices and overclock them. They're not amazing however and it really depends how cheaply you can get your hands on one + a good motherboard to OC.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-19 16:11:43
February 19 2015 15:06 GMT
#9104
mail in rebates make me nervous but I kinda want to get in on this deal before feb 25th ... seems pretty sweet....
I don't really understand / cant really quantify the difference between the 290 and 290x though

also i think i liked the pcpartpicker site design better before haha

edit: I may actually pull the trigger and buy this in store today...
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
February 19 2015 17:33 GMT
#9105
I generally assume that MRBs don't exist when I shop, but I file them anyways.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
February 19 2015 18:22 GMT
#9106
The 290 is slightly weaker than the 970 while the 290x is a , bit a stronger
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-19 19:41:35
February 19 2015 18:23 GMT
#9107
I don't really understand / cant really quantify the difference between the 290 and 290x though


290x is barely faster than 290. It's a far far smaller gap than that between the 7950 and 7970, between the 670 and 680 and tiny by comparison to the performance gap between 970 and 980. It's literally like 2-5% in a range of games, if you test apples to apples with the same clock speeds. The main worry when looking at 290's and 290x's is pricing and the cooler, because the 290x version of a card might have a different cooler from the 290 version that has good or bad VRM cooling etc

^i don't think it can be simplified that way, having owned a 970 and they're close enough to 290/290x to win on one benchmark by 5%, and then lose by 5% because you changed around settings
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
February 19 2015 20:55 GMT
#9108
hmm, another thing about mail in rebates is you have to send in the UPC so you can't return it? that's lame and makes me think i wont buy it today because i may not be able to test it till after the mail in window. fuck. like what if its a dud
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-19 21:47:12
February 19 2015 21:02 GMT
#9109
On February 20 2015 05:55 ComaDose wrote:
hmm, another thing about mail in rebates is you have to send in the UPC so you can't return it? that's lame and makes me think i wont buy it today because i may not be able to test it till after the mail in window. fuck. like what if its a dud


If you are getting like a GPU you could always pop it into an existing rig, but yeah this is also an issue with MIRs.

So context for me: I built a computer in early december, tested it within a week, everything worked, and I filed 5 MIRs. I have received one check, a $15 one for an ASRock board. CoolerMaster and Rosewill haven't followed up on theirs yet, though they.. probably will?

Downsides to MIRs:

  • You have to cut out the UPC so you can't return it, so you gotta test the parts quickly
  • You don't always get the MIR.
  • When you do get the MIR, it's usually much later, so MIR is like a long interest-free loan to the manufacturer
  • Although ASRock seems to use checks, most MIRs are prepaid visa gift cards, which are difficult to use easily and have all kinds of problems
  • If something goes wrong somewhere it's difficult to appeal and get your MIR fixed, and it's usually not worth it for $5 or $10, spending a couple hours of your time.
  • It's easy to procrastinate or forget about MIR


For this reason, I don't pay attention to MIRs at all when comparison shopping, though I do quickly test all components I get so I can file the MIRs.




Edit - changed incorrect acronyms
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
February 19 2015 21:15 GMT
#9110
also you have to pay taxes on the whole thing before MBRs!
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 19 2015 21:31 GMT
#9111
I'm just wondering but why do you call it a MBR when the B comes after the R in rebate? It's generally known as MIR.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
February 19 2015 21:39 GMT
#9112
actually in the earlier post he put MRB, haha, i just copied him
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25559 Posts
February 19 2015 21:46 GMT
#9113
Ahhh that's a bunch of typos on my part. Sorry, I've been dealing with macbook pros for work stuff (I'm imaging a bunch of them for new employees) and I shorten those to "MBP" and somehow got my wires crossed writing this post.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
February 19 2015 23:05 GMT
#9114
On February 19 2015 03:30 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 01:20 ImFromPortugal wrote:
So guys i have been thinking about buying a new pc since mine is 7 - 8 years old... what do you guys think of this build ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZR-a35sxLg


i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz
Asus H55 LGA 1156 motherboard
4GB DDR3 memory
GTX 760
320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD
Cooler Master Wavemaster Case
Arctic Silver Freezer 7 cpu cooler
Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard


That "new" CPU is 5.5 years old, gtx760 has kinda been replaced by the 960 now which came in at similar price with better performance, way less power consumption/heat output and a few nice things like support for MFAA and faster NVENC (so it depends how cheap you could get that 760 and how good of a 760 it is, if it's reference cooler or a good cooler on it etc). Also random wireless/mouse keyboard combo could either be alright for you, or just dragging the price up because you might want something better performing.

4GB of RAM isn't really enough; it can't kill consoles when it doesn't have enough RAM to run some of their games properly.

I would start with a pentium g3258 + OC (or i3) with a gtx750 (or 260x) and work up from there.

Those CPU's are pretty alright because you can buy them used for very low prices and overclock them. They're not amazing however and it really depends how cheaply you can get your hands on one + a good motherboard to OC.

I thought he was posting his current specs...
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 20 2015 00:10 GMT
#9115
The computer I built 6 years ago finally doesn't meet the minimum requirements of a game I wanted to play. I put a bit of dough into it back in the day, and it's still running for the most part and did great on Ultra for SC2 when that came out. I'd like to do the same with a new computer on this budget and get that kinda life, current games run on high settings, future games run on low settings.

What is your budget?
1200 USD

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080. Second monitor is 1600x900.

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
SC2. Shadow of Mordor. Dota 2. Planetside 2.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Work applications. With all programs running, it's about 10gigs of memory used. They aren't processor-intensive, just RAM-demanding.
Minor video editing.
I'm not intending to live stream my games, because I use a low bandwidth internet connection. I am intending to capture locally and upload 1080p videos YouTube/Twitch.

Do you intend to overclock?
I've got zilch experience on that front. I've been following the thread, and it seems like this is recommended for the best bang for your buck. If it furthers my dollar, I'll dive in.

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.

Do you need an operating system?
Yes.

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
I will be replacing a monitor, but not right now.
The CDROM drive in current I'm going to re-use.

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
US.

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Newegg/Amazon.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
February 20 2015 02:06 GMT
#9116
On February 20 2015 08:05 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 03:30 Cyro wrote:
On February 19 2015 01:20 ImFromPortugal wrote:
So guys i have been thinking about buying a new pc since mine is 7 - 8 years old... what do you guys think of this build ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZR-a35sxLg


i5 750 overclocked to 3.7 ghz
Asus H55 LGA 1156 motherboard
4GB DDR3 memory
GTX 760
320GB Samsung Spinpoint HDD
Cooler Master Wavemaster Case
Arctic Silver Freezer 7 cpu cooler
Logitech wireless mouse and keyboard


That "new" CPU is 5.5 years old, gtx760 has kinda been replaced by the 960 now which came in at similar price with better performance, way less power consumption/heat output and a few nice things like support for MFAA and faster NVENC (so it depends how cheap you could get that 760 and how good of a 760 it is, if it's reference cooler or a good cooler on it etc). Also random wireless/mouse keyboard combo could either be alright for you, or just dragging the price up because you might want something better performing.

4GB of RAM isn't really enough; it can't kill consoles when it doesn't have enough RAM to run some of their games properly.

I would start with a pentium g3258 + OC (or i3) with a gtx750 (or 260x) and work up from there.

Those CPU's are pretty alright because you can buy them used for very low prices and overclock them. They're not amazing however and it really depends how cheaply you can get your hands on one + a good motherboard to OC.

I thought he was posting his current specs...


Nop they're the ones on the new build on the youtube video :0
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-21 12:27:25
February 21 2015 12:14 GMT
#9117
Is Gigabyte GTX 960 Mini ITX worse than other GTX 960s? It's selling for about $60 less than other 960s in my country.

Gigabyte GTX960 O.C. Mini ITX = $273
Gigabyte GTX960 G1 GAMING = $340
Galaxy GTX 960 EX OC = $295
Msi GTX960 GAMING = $337
Age of Mythology forever!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 21 2015 13:31 GMT
#9118
On February 21 2015 21:14 mantequilla wrote:
Is Gigabyte GTX 960 Mini ITX worse than other GTX 960s? It's selling for about $60 less than other 960s in my country.

Gigabyte GTX960 O.C. Mini ITX = $273
Gigabyte GTX960 G1 GAMING = $340
Galaxy GTX 960 EX OC = $295
Msi GTX960 GAMING = $337


I'd imagine their cooler isn't as efficient. $60 is a lot though.
maru lover forever
Osyrul
Profile Joined February 2012
257 Posts
February 21 2015 18:23 GMT
#9119
I was able to get 20% partial refund on gtx970 from Amazon, even when return window was already expired.
Really happy about that.
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
February 21 2015 23:27 GMT
#9120
This will be my first attempt at building a computer I have a flexible budget looking to build something that will stand the test of time. This thread has already been a big help. Looking for something that can run games like sc2 lol diablo at max and games like evolve on high.
What is your budget?

1500-2000
What is your monitor's native resolution?
Planning on buying a 4k

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?

Lol,sc2,evolve,planet side 2, Heros of the storm
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?

Streaming, watching movies, photo editing,
Do you intend to overclock?
Prefer not to till my stuff becomes outdated

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
Was thinking of running duel 970's but after reading the FAQ I am not sure this is needed.

Do you need an operating system?

Yes plan on running windows
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?

Not included in budgeted will be separate purchase.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Intel i7, nvidia, I like asus products such as the rampage motherboard. Want to run ssd for games and windows with an HDD for everything else.

What country will you be buying your parts in?

USA- was planing on using newegg/ amazon but really any online retail works.

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