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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On January 29 2015 07:04 ComaDose wrote: It is the interface I care about. Would take a bit of getting used to but I understand i have to get it eventually. You should look up classic shell. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On January 29 2015 07:04 ComaDose wrote: It is the interface I care about. Would take a bit of getting used to but I understand i have to get it eventually. Take a look at this comparison: http://www.askvg.com/comparison-between-windows-7-and-windows-8-memory-management-system/ Personally, I like the memory policy which you may or may not care about. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
pcper finally posting what we kinda knew for quite a while now | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On January 29 2015 04:26 darkness wrote: ^ Don't hesitate, Windows 8.1 is great for performance, especially with an SSD which should also run fine on Windows 7. If you don't care about interface, then I don't see a reason not to use it. What is your budget? Up to £1,500 (I can add extra £100 if it's really worth it) What is your monitor's native resolution? None, need a monitor as well. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? StarCraft 2 but with still an option to try out recently released games. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Programming (Eclipse/Visual Studio), experimental virtual servers (e.g. VMWare) and typical user tasks. Do you intend to overclock? No, but it would be nice if it is an available option in case I need it. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No, unless there is a really good reason. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Yes, monitor is part of my budget. I'm not sure about size, but do you think at least 21-24" is enough? I may also need Wi-Fi support as router is in a different room. I can also get a long LAN cable but it'll be nice to rely on both. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. 6 cores Intel i7 CPU in order to run new software/stuff smoothly in the near future, NVIDIA graphics card. What country will you be buying your parts in? United Kingdom If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. None, but it may be necessary if I need to receive delivery only on Saturday or Sunday. Anyway, I'll figure it out. What I have planned so far This is a build I've come up with: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/4mVCK8 Do you think it's alright or can it be made better? In particular, my choices for the following components are a bit random: CPU cooler, Case, Power Supply. I have a 2.5" SSD for my laptop so I'm still considering whether to port it for desktop. I think it'll be wise to add a 1 TB hard disk in the meantime. From your build: The single fan width radiator CLC's (closed loop liquid coolers) do not perform very well, and are noisy. I would recommend a high end air cooler like the thermalright silver arrow or noctua nh-d15 unless you wanted to get one of the better CLC's, but they're still quite expensive and noisy, though they perform better than the air coolers unless you replaced the fans on the air coolers with noisier ones. They're less reliant on case airflow being good too, but overall they're somewhat of a competitor and not really a strictly superior choice to air cooling. I don't really know about good x99 motherboards, so i can't comment much on board choice. That's one of the cheaper ones that i took a quick look at myself, though. You don't technically need to use more than 1 RAM module, but you REALLY should have at least 2. x99 is quad channel - for full bandwidth, you need to use four RAM modules. In ddr4 that would mean at least 4x4GB i think, so if you only wanted to run 8GB you could do 2x4GB in dual channel, and still have the available slots to upgrade to quad channel or higher capacity (up to 32GB?) later. The g1 970 is better than strix, msi gaming is worse than g1 but arguably better than strix and has the 0 fan at idle stuff etc. I think we have the fractal design r5 now? For PSU, i would recommend this unit: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-003-SF The benq xl2411z is arguably a little better than the vg248qe, but they're very similar. Price is quite similar here too, while usually the xl2411z is cheaper in europe. Overall it doesn't really matter (unless you care a lot about strobing, then xl2411z is no brainer) but the designs of the stand and screen are different, the asus is glossy and shiny and kinda annoying in my opinion (i have one) but the benq xl2411z has an asymmetrical plastic part around the screen which you could view as awesome or awful aesthetically depending on subjective opinion overall it's probably easier to buy from a couple sites (i like amazon and ocuk) and you can set up pcpartspicker to do that. Here's a revised build~ *making* Oh, i should also note that you should at least tweak a 5820k, otherwise the added cost of it, x99, ddr4 etc is kinda extreme when you consider that a higher clocked quad core would do some tasks better, and not fall far behind even with the tasks that did benefit from 12 threads. The 5820k runs at 3.3 - 3.4ghz when using all cores, while the 4790k does 4.2ghz, with quite a few motherboards ignoring intel spec and running full turbo (4.4ghz) for it even when using all four cores. A 29% frequency advantage does a LOT to mitigate a 50% core count advantage, so overall 5820k could even be a downgrade depending on your work, unless you use at least a light overclock because they can easily do 4ghz no problem (with some people running them at ~4.7 or so depending on the chip and cooling) PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core OEM/Tray Processor (£307.99) CPU Cooler: Thermalright SILVER ARROW IB-E 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler (£63.88 @ Amazon UK) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X99-UD4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard (£167.99) Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£88.81 @ Amazon UK) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card (£281.99 @ Amazon UK) Case: Fractal Design Define R5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£85.52 @ Amazon UK) Power Supply: Super Flower Golden Green HX 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (£52.99) Optical Drive: Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£15.72 @ Amazon UK) Monitor: BenQ XL2411Z 144Hz 24.0" Monitor (£199.99) Total: £1264.88 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-01-29 07:25 GMT+0000 slightly inflated pricing because it's using only two sites instead of assuming that you will order delivery from half a dozen places as pcpartpicker does by default. I removed shipping prices cause it would probably be different when ordering multiple things together(?) The stuff not location listed is all from OCUK aside from the monitor (amazon, but price wasn't showing correctly) Also a quick note that for Starcraft 2, an overclocked £50 CPU runs the game better than stock 6 core | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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nepeta
1872 Posts
What is your monitor's native resolution? 1280x1024 What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? scbw, d3, sc2, castable settings What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? casting, running broodwar AIs, video editing Do you intend to overclock? no Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? no Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? no If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Amd, intel is evil. Also good mic/video rec. What country will you be buying your parts in? netherlands, EU If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. no Old pc is 6 years old, need a new one that can run 2 concurrent VMs, cast broodwar matches and run 4+ broodwar AIs (which use more cpu/ram than blizzard AIs :p), video editing. Some light office/programming/graphics stuff. I've put together a build, but I don't know the first thing about video production, so please suggest anything that might be helpful in that regard. Proposed base pc: € 90,00 AMD A8-6600K Boxed €110,00 MSI Radeon R7 250X 2GB € 30,00 Cooler Master N300 (KKN1, closed) € 85,00 Crucial Ballistix Tactical BLT2CP4G3D1869DT1TX0CEU € 55,00 Seasonic S12II-Bronze 430W €100,00 Crucial M550 2,5" 256GB €470,00 total need recording mic or headset. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On January 30 2015 08:34 Cyro wrote: I made a post about the 970 VRAM problem here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1535502/gtx-970s-can-only-use-3-5gb-of-4gb-vram-issue/1200_30#post_23476625 Never realized it was that bad. Essentially the 970 was indeed nothing more than 3.5 Gb card. Makes you wonder how and why people recommeneded SLI 970s for 4K. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On January 30 2015 14:31 Incognoto wrote: Never realized it was that bad. Essentially the 970 was indeed nothing more than 3.5 Gb card. Makes you wonder how and why people recommeneded SLI 970s for 4K. In some cases it's supposed to use the extra 0.5GB VRAM (at 1/8'th speed of what it would be on a 980 or 770). However the driver just seems completely broken and not only does it completely refuse to allocate it sometimes, it also refuses to allocate to system RAM as well (only on the 970) and goes straight to paging file on hard drive. If it worked properly maybe it wouldn't be so disastrous but it doesn't work as nvidia tried to describe, at least not consistently. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I'm guessing a driver fix will do, however the ball is in Nvidia's court. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
You'll hit VRAM ceiling around 3.4GB (as stuff starts to swap in and out just before you cap out VRAM) where load times suddenly become much longer than expected, stutters happen, game occasionally halts for half a second etc. It's not difficult to reproduce, so i'm disappointed in those reviews taking battlefield 4 at 8k resolution and 15 FPS to demonstrate frametime variance and stutters, and even more so the ones showing that it's aparantly not a problem and doesn't exist. I mean, this game plays happily at like 80fps while using that much VRAM (without even using AA) where it's extremely obvious if there is a delay for 1/30'th of a second for something to get swapped into VRAM before rendering. In a best case scenario, you have a small safety net over 3.5GB but it's still a 3.5GB effective card. In my user experience, it just won't allocate that 0.5GB of VRAM at all in certain games/applications, and will cause major problems up to and including hard crashing (with no attempt at using system RAM) if you let VRAM hit 3.4-3.5GB. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
satire on the 970 situation | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
On January 31 2015 04:54 Incognoto wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422579428&v=spZJrsssPA0&x-yt-cl=85114404 satire on the 970 situation :D :D Some partnership/deal with xfx and discounts for 970 owners but it doesn't seem like a great deal. Even if i had decided to go with a 290, i probably wouldn't take an xfx card just because of a small discount | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Effective stats vs advertised: ROP's: 56(52?) vs 64 Usable memory amount: 3.5GB vs 4GB (7/8'ths) Usable memory bus width: 224 bit vs 256 bit (7/8'ths) L2 cache amount: 1.75MB vs 2MB It's a good GPU but i wouldn't have bought it over the 980 if it was advertised correctly because i don't care about price/performance that much, that's just the icing on the cake if it does what i want it to do. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
On January 29 2015 03:55 ComaDose wrote: + Show Spoiler + This thread is so great I have been following along for a bit now and learning a lot as I get ready to build my new PC at the end of Feb. I have never built one from scratch but have upgraded a few different ones. I am ready for some more detailed plans now and would love a base set up so I can compare and double check upgrading costs/benefits before the actual ordering. I would like a good motherboard and power source to last for years. What is your budget? $1000-$1200 CAD What is your monitor's native resolution? Buying new monitors at 1080p 60Hz unless I get talked into 4k or 120Hz What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? New games on high (not necessarily ultra) settings. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Browsing the internet... a little basic video editing Do you intend to overclock? Maybe turn up the processor a bit without upping the voltage. I have never overclocked before so not really but am open to advice. It looks like most people aren't using the stock heat sink with quad i5s(which i assume is what I want) so if I'm investing in another heat sink seems like no reason not to turn it up a bit? If that makes sense. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No so I think i'm looking at buying a 4Gb card now to last? Using it mostly for gaming I expect a lot of the budget to go here. Do you need an operating system? Was planning on downloading cracked Win 7 again but I'm not sure about new driver updates causing problems or something. Maybe make the jump to Win 8.1 / ask friends if they can get free through school. Looking for advice here too. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Will be buying 2 24" 1080p 60Hz IPS monitors hopefully $200ish each? Looking for recommendations. Not included in budget. Also open to keyboard recommendations but I'm pretty keen on filco and will probably be using my old keyboard for a while after buying the comp. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Was originally pretty excited for DDR4 but I can't really justify the massive price break in motherboard and RAM. Could always get 2x4Gb now and add 2x 4Gb later. Buying to last I don't know enough to say that the mother board will actually keep up longer if i get DDR4 because maybe the CPU socket is what will become outdated first kinda thing. I don't need much secondary storage because i already have a big USB3 external but maybe 512Gb would be nice. I am pretty set on getting a 250Gb SSD but open to advice and considering 512Gb but it doesn't stack up nicely against my budget. Case must be sexy. What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada I appreciate any answers to all the questions I have scattered through my "requirements" as well as any advice you guys can offer. I have done so much research but still don't feel closer to making a concrete decision so I thought this could help. I will definitely be posting my build here either way before I order as I have seen countless examples where you guys have provided last min improvements/money saving suggestions. I did a bunch more research and put something together but I don't feel confident in my choices and would like to bring the price down a bit more: build CPU - Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor - $258.32 This seems really expensive but I want to try my hand at a little overclocking and there is not many other i5 K options as I understand it. The 4670K is like the same price? CPU Cooler - Rosewill RCX-Z90-CP 62.5 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler - $25.48 I have no idea if this is any good, sleeve bearings need more lubricant maintenance? Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-Z97X-SLI ATX LGA1150 Motherboard - $119.99 No idea if this is any good Memory - G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory - $88.98 Seems popular, 2133 is a good compromise? Primary Storage - Crucial M550 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive - $169.99 Again went with the popular choice here. Secondary Storage - Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive - $61.98 I would be willing to go to 512GB but there didn't seem to be a significant price difference. I believe I want the 7200/64MB Video Card - XFX Radeon R9 290 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card - $299.99 I'd like to get a 4GB card but im not sure how good this ones other attributes stack up to similar $~300 ones. Case - Corsair SPEC-03 Orange ATX Mid Tower Case - $79.98 I like this one but for $50 I could go with a slightly less cosmetic one Power Supply - Gigabyte GreenMax Plus 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply - $126.05 Is that enough? Good 550W one? Optical Drive - Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer - $18.68 I'm not sure I actually need this. but its very inexpensive. Total: $1249.44 - Too Much Part picker also gives me the error "The G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory operating voltage of 1.6V exceeds the Intel Haswell Refresh CPU recommended maximum of 1.5V+5% (1.575V)." I appreciate any and all advice to make something similar a bit more affordable. I'll be buying ~Feb 16th | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
The 4670K is like the same price? Because Intel doesn't lower their CPU prices when they release newer/better stuff That CPU cooler isn't very good. It's a very small heatsink with a 92mm fan. It's a lot like the intel stock cooler and not suitable for overclocking far while also not being cheap Most motherboards perform very similarly, at least the alright ones. For z97 that's less true than z87, but as long as you don't get an awful one it doesn't usually make a difference unless you're really pushing overclocks. That one in particular is on the cheap end and not on Sin's VRM list though - http://www.sinhardware.com/images/vrmlist.png For latency, 2133mhz c9 is faster than 2400mhz c11. The 2133 modules that i've linked have all been cas9 IIRC~ The XFX 290 has bad VRM cooling compared to some other cards (i think the tri-x is good) which affects the overclocking capability and the fan speeds that you have to use at load. 550w is enough power for everything overclocked, i don't know how good that PSU is. Ridiculous price though. Intel's recommended RAM voltage is 1.5, millions of people run 1.65v 24/7 on Haswell though and some of the benchmarkers out there have used ~1.9v short term | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
MX100 256GB is $113, not that much of a noticeable difference between the MX100 and the M550 in your typical day-to-day tasks so definitely worth saving $60 or so over the M550: http://www.amazon.ca/dp/B00KFAGCUM/ Canadian dollar is at like 80 cents.. sucks to be us right now. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On January 31 2015 08:23 Cyro wrote: :D :D Some partnership/deal with xfx and discounts for 970 owners but it doesn't seem like a great deal. Even if i had decided to go with a 290, i probably wouldn't take an xfx card just because of a small discount the only two R9 290 models i would consider would be the Tri-X and the Vapor-X from Sapphire. That or a GTX 970, which is still a great card if you don't go over the 3.5 Gb of VRAM by the looks of it. I'm still doing quite well with my 7970 with only 3 Gb of VRAM so I'm fine for now really. | ||
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