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Hello, I just bought the Death addy so many Team Liquid pro sc2 players use.
I'm having trouble figuring out the settings Liquid hero or zenio use for game play.
Note this is my first gaming mouse, I used crap microsoft wireless mouses prior so settings are something i'm new to, I hope this is the correct forum to ask about pro sc2 players settings if not, I apologize and mod can move to the proper forum.
I'm a player who Enjoys high sensitivity but want accuracy as well, I'm a zerg player low masters on HOTS Beta/Wol and been using crappy non gaming mouses lol.
I use a Lap top I play in 1366 x768 res windows 7 nvida Geforce sony vaio.
If anyone can list the settings team liquid players use would be helpful. I know for many its personal perf, but I'm trying to find the best if possible.
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You use whatever setting you're most comfortable with.
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There truly is no "best" settings. The best is actually what you are most comfortable with. Pick a DPI setting and play with it, if you notice you are going past what you want to click, tone it back a notch, keep doing that until you hit that sweet spot.
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I think you'll have a hard time finding the settings that progamers use. I've heard that if you want to get the best experience out of your mouse, you should keep the windows sensitivity at 6/11 (the middle tic) and only adjust the DPI to find the most comfortable sensitivity
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Make sure windows sensitivity is at 6/11, and that SC2 mouse sensitivity. Change your mouse speed by changing your DPI. Also make sure mouse acceleration (sometimes called "enhanced pointer precision") is disabled. Other than that it's all personal preference.
Edit: 6/11 not 7/11, my mistake.
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It's really personal preference. There are so many tiny variables involved in determining optimal sensitivity that the only real way to figure it out is to try a bunch of different settings and tweak until you feel comfortable.
I would recommend, however, that you set it at a midrange setting and work your way from there, because super high sensitivity settings are generally less optimal in RTS games than in FPS games.
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Well than Thank you for the replies, I guess I have a long road of testing ahead of me (=, I was just wondering if there was anything special I can set to improve the control in starcraft 2, If its all personal perf then ok thanks I will test, This is my first gaming mouse ever, I been using standard reg mouses for the longest time. Even the placement of my hand on the razer death addy feels weird, the mouse is huge compared to the crappy small mice I have used in the past, I feel dumb like no clue what the proper way to place my hand on the mouse (= Guess I would have to get used to it.
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On December 26 2012 12:27 Trion wrote:
Make sure windows sensitivity is at 7/11, and that SC2 mouse sensitivity. Change your mouse speed by changing your DPI. Also make sure mouse acceleration (sometimes called "enhanced pointer precision") is disabled. Other than that it's all personal preference.
It's 6/11 if Im not mistaken(Default, no skippin pixels).
Also in SC2 range between 51 - 54% is the best, again, cuz you don't skip any pixels.( someone on TL like a year a go did a study on that ;p )
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On December 26 2012 12:29 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 12:27 Trion wrote:
Make sure windows sensitivity is at 7/11, and that SC2 mouse sensitivity. Change your mouse speed by changing your DPI. Also make sure mouse acceleration (sometimes called "enhanced pointer precision") is disabled. Other than that it's all personal preference. It's 6/11 if Im not mistaken(Default, no skippin pixels). Also in SC2 range between 51 - 54% is the best, again, cuz you don't skip any pixels.( someone on TL like a year a go did a study on that ;p )
What does 6/11 mean in the razer mouse settings (dumb sorry) Does it mean x-y sensitivity is enabled and x is 600 and y is 1100?
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No no no. Windows mouse settings, in control panel (not Razer) there are 11 notches, you leave it on the 6th and untick enhanced pointer precision.
In Razer, the 0-10 sens is up to you. I recommend leaving DPI anywhere from 1800-max, polling at 500mhz, then lowering the sensitivity in Razer until it's as fast as you need it.
Leave X/Y DPI identical...
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Mouse acceleration I should keep at 0 ( off) for gaming correct?
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1800/3600 DPI will be enough considering your resolution, keep windows sens at 6\11, accel off, and SC2 sens at 51-55, the rest is personal preference.
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On December 26 2012 12:47 LingBlingBling wrote:
Mouse acceleration I should keep at 0 ( off) for gaming correct?
yep although there are good players who have it on, because they are used to it
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as said before you have to use 6/11 (optimal) windows sensibility and the dpi is up to you. I personally recommend 1800 as it is pretty standard.
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1800/3600 DPI will be enough considering your resolution, keep windows sens at 6\11, accel off, and SC2 sens at 51-55, the rest is personal preference.
Thats completely absurd DPI.
With 6/11 in windows, enhanced pointer precision and accel disabled on a deathadder (no accel in sensor etc) you should only be using 400, MAYBE 800 dpi at that resolution.
A friend of mine got mouse, i gave him my sens reccomendations (using on-the-fly sensitivity to adjust from 1800dpi step as that has better sensor performance than everything else on the 3500) and he immediately lowered further to 4/10 sens (1800dpi*0.4) so 720 "true dpi", i use very close to that, but used to use lower.
At 1366x768 you have under half as many pixels on the screen as 1920x1080, so you need 0.5x the sens or true dpi to cross the screen in the same amount of mouse movement, so honestly if you want good settings just make sure you have 6/11 in windows, 51-54% in sc2, acceleration off, and use on the fly sensitivity to go to 1.5-3 sens. (270-540 true dpi) which would feel like ~580-1.1k on a 1920x1080 display would.
Sorry for confusing shit. We are both low master with good mechanics, i have >100eapm with protoss and ~160 with zerg.
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Even if it's personal preference I'd still be curious as to how fast pro's use there mice. I've heard FPS gamers generally use low DPI and take large sweeps, but RTS gamers don't usually follow that.
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^I think Jaedong uses around 1k DPI on 1920x1080
Exact mouse control is very very very important in FPS (your aim is everything in many types of games) so people put a lot of focus on it - thats not nearly as true in RTS, where you can use a wider range of settings, but mostly people at the top levels dont really know much about mice at all and just use settings that work, even if they are suboptimal or bad.
Its a really good idea to look to the pro's for a good understanding of mice in a game like counterstrike, but a really bad one to do it in starcraft, because other factors are more of a big deal in reaching the top of play, amazing mouse control doesnt come in til after you reach kinda the top level in terms of helping you play, where it can help take you a lot further
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Yeah you should just use the settings you like personally. Like if you want to know more about it you could either google or youtube it.
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^95% of the people on google/youtube dont have a clue what they are talking about (reviewers only talking about how the mouse felt in their hand or how 3500dpi isnt enough even though nobody in the modern ages uses more than 1.2-1.5k if accel is disabled properly and they are an at all competitive player)
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On December 26 2012 13:17 Cyro wrote:
^I think Jaedong uses around 1k DPI on 1920x1080
Exact mouse control is very very very important in FPS (your aim is everything in many types of games) so people put a lot of focus on it - thats not nearly as true in RTS, where you can use a wider range of settings, but mostly people at the top levels dont really know much about mice at all and just use settings that work, even if they are suboptimal or bad.
Its a really good idea to look to the pro's for a good understanding of mice in a game like counterstrike, but a really bad one to do it in starcraft, because other factors are more of a big deal in reaching the top of play, amazing mouse control doesnt come in til after you reach kinda the top level in terms of helping you play, where it can help take you a lot further
Even at the pro level, RTS players don't need the kind of accuracy FPS players do, whereas FPS players need a lot less speed.
Like most people have said, set your Windows mouse sensitivity to 6/11, SC2 sensitivity somewhere between 51-54%. At 1366x768 resolution, you really don't need high CPI/DPI and setting it higher won't make you more accurate, it'll just increase speed (which you can do from the Razer Synapse drivers.) Just adjust CPI/DPI and the Synapse mouse speed to whatever's comfortable.
The mouse should be set to 1000hz polling rate by default, so you're good to leave it there.
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Thanks all for the information advise, all has been helpful, feeling more comfy with my new addy now (= I will prob have to mess around with the DPI still.
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I really have to disagree with the higher dpi = more speed thing though - i hear it all the time.
If you can reach everything on your screen comfortably (this happens at ~550-600dpi for me using my grip at 1920x1080) then you basically dont experience any slowdown in the amount of time it takes you to move anywhere on the screen, assuming you have room on mousepad etc. To use an example in FPS (though turning in a 3d game and controlling mouse on 2d ui are very different) people using 400dpi and very low sens still turn almost instantly.
On the other side of the argument, its pretty much accepted that lower DPI = more accuracy, and i find after playing at a wide range of DPI settings for years that as long as everything is comfortably in reach and not low enough dpi to give you grip issues with some days practice, then lowering can actually make you play faster
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Use these settings if you want ideal performance and 1:1 tracking. Make sure to adjust them in Windows and in the Razer driver software.
Windows Settings
Pointer Speed: 6/11 (default)
Uncheck 'Enhance Pointer Precision'
Razer Settings
Sensitivity/Speed: 50% or 5/10
Acceleration: 0
DPI: 1800 - Razer DA sensor has optimal tracking at 1800 DPI (Google it if you want detailed info).
Polling Rate: 1000hz
Sc2 Options
Sensitivity: 51% (default)
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On December 26 2012 14:20 lysergic wrote:
Use these settings if you want ideal performance and 1:1 tracking. Make sure to adjust them in Windows and in the Razer driver software.
Windows Settings
Pointer Speed: 6/11 (default)
Uncheck 'Enhance Pointer Precision'
Razer Settings
Sensitivity/Speed: 50% or 5/10
Acceleration: 0
DPI: 1800 - Razer DA sensor has optimal tracking at 1800 DPI (Google it if you want detailed info).
Polling Rate: 1000hz
Sc2 Options
Sensitivity: 51% (default)
Thank you, I took your advise, everything feels fine, I change starcraft 2 settings from 51% to 54% sensitivity and its working wonders (=
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On December 26 2012 14:50 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 14:20 lysergic wrote:
Use these settings if you want ideal performance and 1:1 tracking. Make sure to adjust them in Windows and in the Razer driver software.
Windows Settings
Pointer Speed: 6/11 (default)
Uncheck 'Enhance Pointer Precision'
Razer Settings
Sensitivity/Speed: 50% or 5/10
Acceleration: 0
DPI: 1800 - Razer DA sensor has optimal tracking at 1800 DPI (Google it if you want detailed info).
Polling Rate: 1000hz
Sc2 Options
Sensitivity: 51% (default) Thank you, I took your advise, everything feels fine, I change starcraft 2 settings from 51% to 54% sensitivity and its working wonders (=
This is basically exactly what i said.
51, 52, 53, 54% in sc2 are all identical in the sc2 engine, they all correspond to 1:1, 6/11 in windows. You dont want 50% or 55% because of rounding errors in display that can make 50% mean either 51% or 49% for example, so you set inside the range by 1% (51-54%) to avoid being accidentally outside of it
5/10 sens in Razer drivers is cutting DPI in half, 10/10 = 1:1 with what you have set.
The sens is basically a "true dpi" slider for 1800dpi which is the native dpi of the sensor and vastly outperforms the other settings, i said 1.5-3 sens range using on-the-fly for exact selection as that is pretty much the best range for playing at 1366x768 (equivalent to around double that on a 1920x1080 display)
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On December 26 2012 13:33 Cyro wrote:
I really have to disagree with the higher dpi = more speed thing though - i hear it all the time.
If you can reach everything on your screen comfortably (this happens at ~550-600dpi for me using my grip at 1920x1080) then you basically dont experience any slowdown in the amount of time it takes you to move anywhere on the screen, assuming you have room on mousepad etc. To use an example in FPS (though turning in a 3d game and controlling mouse on 2d ui are very different) people using 400dpi and very low sens still turn almost instantly.
Uh... there is nothing to argue. If you're doing a 360 degree turn with a 400 CPI/DPI mouse as fast as you are a 5600 CPI/DPI mouse, then you're moving the physical 400 CPI/DPI mouse faster and further across the pad than you are the 5600 CPI/DPI mouse, and likely using more force.
I don't mean more CPI will make you play faster (it will likely make most people play sloppier), but the mouse cursor will move faster at 5600 counts per inch than at 400 counts per inch, all other variables being the same. These high counts (such as on the DeathAdder 2013) are useless to most people who play at 1080p.
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this is what i use and i never had problems , i used double speed before and my wrists were hurting cuz i was holding the mouse too tight :
windows 6/11 , starcraft 2 : disabled , razer death adder driver : 900 dpi , 0 acceleration , 125 pooling .
i dont find too much of difference with pooling . now i have my second death adder ( black edition and same settings ) .
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On December 26 2012 16:51 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 13:33 Cyro wrote:
I really have to disagree with the higher dpi = more speed thing though - i hear it all the time.
If you can reach everything on your screen comfortably (this happens at ~550-600dpi for me using my grip at 1920x1080) then you basically dont experience any slowdown in the amount of time it takes you to move anywhere on the screen, assuming you have room on mousepad etc. To use an example in FPS (though turning in a 3d game and controlling mouse on 2d ui are very different) people using 400dpi and very low sens still turn almost instantly. Uh... there is nothing to argue. If you're doing a 360 degree turn with a 400 CPI/DPI mouse as fast as you are a 5600 CPI/DPI mouse, then you're moving the physical 400 CPI/DPI mouse faster and further across the pad than you are the 5600 CPI/DPI mouse, and likely using more force. I don't mean more CPI will make you play faster (it will likely make most people play sloppier), but the mouse cursor will move faster at 5600 counts per inch than at 400 counts per inch, all other variables being the same. These high counts (such as on the DeathAdder 2013) are useless to most people who play at 1080p.
Thats what i meant.
Doubling DPI doesnt half the amount of time it takes to select a worker - a lot of people imply this.
^Above poster is another example of one using 900dpi.
This is pretty much equivalant to 1.8k + ~2-2.5 sens on 1366x768, if he is using 1920x1080, i reccomended 1.5-3 range.
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On December 26 2012 12:29 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2012 12:27 Trion wrote:
Make sure windows sensitivity is at 7/11, and that SC2 mouse sensitivity. Change your mouse speed by changing your DPI. Also make sure mouse acceleration (sometimes called "enhanced pointer precision") is disabled. Other than that it's all personal preference. It's 6/11 if Im not mistaken(Default, no skippin pixels). Also in SC2 range between 51 - 54% is the best, again, cuz you don't skip any pixels.( someone on TL like a year a go did a study on that ;p )
Thanks, my mistake. 6/11 if correct.
I do remember the thread saying between 51-54%, but it it looks like we now have the option to just disable SC2 mouse sensitivity and leave it as it was set for windows.
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Just to reiterate what a lot of people have already said, all the pros have their different settings so it's just finding out what feels best for you whether you want fast movements across the screen or slightly slower to improve precision, but the most common thing is 6/11 on Mouse settings and disabling Enhance Pointer Precision and then toying with your DPI from there
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