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Hey! So basically, we're going to be putting a GTX 560 TI and a 550W Power supply in our Phenom II 1035t 2.6 Ghz x6 system and I was wondering at what settings will it be able to run smoothly?
My understanding is that it will be bottlenecked slightly by the 2.6 ghz cores but not enough to warrant buying a motherboard and an i5 processor instead of upgrading the graphics card from a GT 430 to a GTX 560 TI, but I was hoping to get a confirmation on the kind of settings the 560 TI will allow the phenom to run at?
Right now I've got a 2.4 ghz dual core and On-board graphics so I struggle at mininum! haha 
P.S: I'm excited for using my other 3-4 cores for streaming! haha ^_^
EDIT: It would cost £200 more to buy a new PC equipped with 3rd generation i5. Worth the performance boost or would the phenom along with the 560 TI be able to handle well enough to be worth the £200 savings?
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UPDATE!
Was able to overclock the phenom II with the new motherboard and we have it running at 3.2 ghz right now so thats a NICE true 6 core processor
<3 and the 7850 I'm going to clock up to 7870 level, probably plug my HD TV into my PC haha :D Got it all with an arctic freezer and in a sick Sharkoon case.
Really happy with my new gaming machine
Thanks a bunch guys
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you should be able to run ultra just fine. dont expect to be able to run high graphics whilst streaming though. I have the same processor and I stream smooth 720p with medium graphics, assuming your internet is good enough. IMO wait for haswell if you want to upgrade your cpu but for now you should be fine.
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Thanks!
Yeah I've got 10 mb upload so my internet is fine
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awesome man i have a gt 430 and im gonna buy myself a gtx 560ti at xmas , after hots comes out
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If you can overclock your processor, it will be quite decent at 3.8-4.0 gHz.
At stock, meh at best. You might be able to get ~60fps on medium I'd guess.
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why's everyone buying 560Ti now, almost 2 years after its release ;].
get GTX660 ?
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On June 05 2012 21:49 Rollin wrote:
If you can overclock your processor, it will be quite decent at 3.8-4.0 gHz.
At stock, meh at best. You might be able to get ~60fps on medium I'd guess.
You can't overclock the 2.6 ghz 1035t. Can't even change the clocking rate since my motherboard is so bad.
Are you saying this is a bad idea then? And the graphics card isnt the best way to spend my budget?
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On June 05 2012 23:16 EneMecH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 21:49 Rollin wrote:
If you can overclock your processor, it will be quite decent at 3.8-4.0 gHz.
At stock, meh at best. You might be able to get ~60fps on medium I'd guess. You can't overclock the 2.6 ghz 1035t. Can't even change the clocking rate since my motherboard is so bad. Are you saying this is a bad idea then? And the graphics card isnt the best way to spend my budget?
I would assume a gpu would be one of the last things you would wanna upgrade, im kind of in your same predicament, i got a 1045t thuban phenom 2 at like 2.8 that i cant OC because my motherboard is a shitty foxconn that i would probably need to replace soon, i already have a hyper 212+ heatsink that is idle. But u kind of need a new heatsink to even think about OC without making your core/ motherboard unstable with heat issues, also upgrading to the hyper 212+ u need to take into consideration about proper heatsinks on your mobo and which way your hot and cold is going in your case concerning ventilation. Im looking into upgrading from my shitty HPE-500f case along with my motherboard so i can actually use my hyper 212+ because my case is kinda tiny.
Im also looking for a full tower for better ventilation and easy upgrading the slots for sticking psu cords behind the mobo, but don't take me for granted i am only like 2 or 3 years in of upgrading pc knowledge i would suggest this link if u want expert and better help concerning your problem and what u want to do to better your pc overall!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=137554
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On June 05 2012 23:16 EneMecH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 21:49 Rollin wrote:
If you can overclock your processor, it will be quite decent at 3.8-4.0 gHz.
At stock, meh at best. You might be able to get ~60fps on medium I'd guess. You can't overclock the 2.6 ghz 1035t. Can't even change the clocking rate since my motherboard is so bad. Are you saying this is a bad idea then? And the graphics card isn't the best way to spend my budget?
Whether or not you decide to upgrade the CPU later, you can get the Graphics Card upgrade anyway since that can be carried over.
FYI, a 560ti is more than necessary for SC2 Ultra graphics settings at 1080p. A GTX 560 could do it, and so could a GTX 460 (this is regardless of the CPU; with a 1035T, you'll have to keep CPU settings like Physics on low/medium, so yes the CPU is a significant limiting factor for SC2 frame rates and some settings). Just saying in case you want to save money. 560ti will help with higher settings and/or frame rates in pretty much all other games though. SC2 is an uncommon CPU-intensive game.
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You can replace an AM3 motherboard for like 80$ and get one that is overclockable. That might be a decent investment to really get good performance. The 430 was probably bottlenecking you anyway though.
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Well guys, thanks for your input.
I think I'm going to sell my ps3 and games and wait longer and try to get a PC from scratch with an i5 3450 and a GTX 560 TI
What do you think? If it's possible to get an overclockable system for not much more, might go with the 2500k and the Radeon 7850 instead <3 Otherwise I'll enjoy beasting along in games with the unclocked system we got in mind.
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i have a 1055t at 3.6 and a hd5770. runs sc2 at ultra at 60 fps
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Hello OP,
Depending on whether you want to be streaming, your CPU will not be so relevant for gaming. Gaming is primarily GPU dependent, making it semi redundant for a good gaming pc. Any modern CPU will run SC2 well.
Good luck!
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On June 06 2012 02:58 meelmutsTL wrote:
Hello OP,
Depending on whether you want to be streaming, your CPU will not be so relevant for gaming. Gaming is primarily GPU dependent, making it semi redundant for a good gaming pc. Any modern CPU will run SC2 well.
Good luck!
You're wrong, sc2 is heavily CPU dependent. When you hit later stages of a game, it will start feeling more sluggish than it would at the beginning.
Forgot to mention that it usually depends on what race you play, if you're zerg, you will have a lot of units in your vision range the entire time and the game will have to keep the models of the lings there until they die or the game ends, and this builds up over time, especially if you're playing on high settings.
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Not every processor is heat limited. You should test out overclocking before buying a new heatsink, as the overwhelming majority of motherboard blow-ups occur because people change from stock heatsinks to tower heatsinks. Motherboards are rated for stock, radial heatsinks that apply cooling to not just the CPU, but the whole board, while tower heatsinks ONLY cool the CPU, so you will get a rise (often deadly rise) in the CPU NB, RAM, and most importantly, the VRM.
I have a GTX 460, 4GB RAM, and Athlon II X3 3.2ghz (overclocked/unlocked to x4 3.4 ghz). I'm able to stream medium graphics SC2 just fine (check my recordings at justin.tv/belial88), and I could probably stream ultra but just haven't tested that yet. I can play on Ultra settings just fine as well. My resolution is 1280x768.
sc2 is cpu dependent, but the graphics are gpu dependent. As in, it's mostly your GPU that determines if your system that can play on medium, can play on Ultra. But CPU allows an increase in fps no matter what graphics setting you are at, as sc2 is extremely cpu dependent. Put simply, SC2 is very cpu dependent and always appreciates more processing, but things like shaders, lighting, texturing... that's all done by the GPU.
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On June 06 2012 02:25 EneMecH wrote:Well guys, thanks for your input. I think I'm going to sell my ps3 and games and wait longer and try to get a PC from scratch with an i5 3450 and a GTX 560 TI What do you think? If it's possible to get an overclockable system for not much more, might go with the 2500k and the Radeon 7850 instead <3 Otherwise I'll enjoy beasting along in games with the unclocked system we got in mind.
I'm not sure why you'd wait on purchasing the graphics card if you have the money now and want to play games at higher settings / frame rates. It can easily be moved into the new build.
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On June 05 2012 23:13 Nancial wrote:
why's everyone buying 560Ti now, almost 2 years after its release ;].
get GTX660 ?
The 660 is costs nearly twice a much as the 560Ti, and the 560Ti is probably one of the best budget gpu's still.
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On June 06 2012 05:58 deathtrance wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 23:13 Nancial wrote:
why's everyone buying 560Ti now, almost 2 years after its release ;].
get GTX660 ? The 660 is costs nearly twice a much as the 560Ti, and the 560Ti is probably one of the best budget gpu's still.
doesnt the 6870 cost less and yield around the same performance?
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On June 06 2012 09:59 Zushen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 05:58 deathtrance wrote:On June 05 2012 23:13 Nancial wrote:
why's everyone buying 560Ti now, almost 2 years after its release ;].
get GTX660 ? The 660 is costs nearly twice a much as the 560Ti, and the 560Ti is probably one of the best budget gpu's still. doesnt the 6870 cost less and yield around the same performance?
The 560 is similar in performance to the 6870. The 560ti is closer to the 6950, and when both are overclocked (560ti overclocks a little better), they're basically the same performance tier.
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Hey everyone!
Right now we're having the PC installed with a new motherboard, case, PSU, cooler and an AMD Radeon 7850
We're going to bus clock it as much as we can and im looking forward to gaming on the system with the 7850.
When the piledriver comes out in the future, we'll be replacing the Phenom II.
Until then, I think that this was the best build for upgrading the PC, do you agree? Since we are sticking with the same processor, we decided to spend the small amount extra on the 7850 over the gtx 560 TI and it should handle sc2 great and at lower temps especially on my 1368x760 or something monitor
Thanks for your input everyone
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On June 07 2012 03:12 EneMecH wrote:Hey everyone! Right now we're having the PC installed with a new motherboard, case, PSU, cooler and an AMD Radeon 7850 We're going to bus clock it as much as we can and im looking forward to gaming on the system with the 7850. When the piledriver comes out in the future, we'll be replacing the Phenom II. Until then, I think that this was the best build for upgrading the PC, do you agree? Since we are sticking with the same processor, we decided to spend the small amount extra on the 7850 over the gtx 560 TI and it should handle sc2 great and at lower temps especially on my 1368x760 or something monitor Thanks for your input everyone
Sandy/Ivy Bridge blows Bulldozer out of the water in anything that does not use 8 or more threads, and ties with it for anything that does, it would give you MASSIVE performance gains in sc2 (50% gains, probably more in CPU bound situations) and we have no reason to believe that Piledriver will change anything there, if you are looking for a CPU to be released in the nearish future, follow Haswell, not Piledriver, IMO
The story is similar for the vast majority of games out there
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=434&i=27.28.38.39.344.345.53.54.60.61.62.129.337.338.339.340.341.342.343
Some benchmarks between the i7 3770k and fx-8150, The i7 wins all of those (x264 and game benchmarks) but costs a chunk more, for gaming though, you can drop to i5 (which is much closer to bulldozers price and wont lose any performance in low threaded tasks compared to i7)
Piledriver/Haswell relationship should be similar, with Intel dominating, from what i have heard, AMD CPU's just not that good any more, particularly in low threaded enviroments such as almost any game on the market now or in the near future.
The upgrade you did was good, just wanted to comment on that (:
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On June 07 2012 03:12 EneMecH wrote:Hey everyone! Right now we're having the PC installed with a new motherboard, case, PSU, cooler and an AMD Radeon 7850 We're going to bus clock it as much as we can and im looking forward to gaming on the system with the 7850. When the piledriver comes out in the future, we'll be replacing the Phenom II. Until then, I think that this was the best build for upgrading the PC, do you agree? Since we are sticking with the same processor, we decided to spend the small amount extra on the 7850 over the gtx 560 TI and it should handle sc2 great and at lower temps especially on my 1368x760 or something monitor Thanks for your input everyone
A 7850 is way overkill for 1366x768 you should buy a new monitor at at least 1080p
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On June 07 2012 03:52 Zushen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2012 03:12 EneMecH wrote:Hey everyone! Right now we're having the PC installed with a new motherboard, case, PSU, cooler and an AMD Radeon 7850 We're going to bus clock it as much as we can and im looking forward to gaming on the system with the 7850. When the piledriver comes out in the future, we'll be replacing the Phenom II. Until then, I think that this was the best build for upgrading the PC, do you agree? Since we are sticking with the same processor, we decided to spend the small amount extra on the 7850 over the gtx 560 TI and it should handle sc2 great and at lower temps especially on my 1368x760 or something monitor Thanks for your input everyone A 7850 is way overkill for 1366x768 you should buy a new monitor at at least 1080p
In the end, framerates would probably be pretty much the same in team games or past midgame because CPU cant keep up, even with the ~doubled resolution. Any CPU will do that, just more pronounced effect with weaker ones.
(1366x768, 1.04 million pixels vs 1920x1080, 2.07 million pixels)
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Hey cyro, thanks a lot for your reply and for the PM
I think that the key reasoning behind this upgrade is that it'll make the most out of this processor and give a viable upgrade path for the future when we feel it's necessary, and the 7850 giving a really good GPU that will last better until that point, especially since it has more memory and overclocks much better.
It may not be the best, but I hope that it's justified to be happy with the idea of dropping in a compatible processor when we need to and overclocking it for gaming?
Thanks again for your input so far.
P.S: And I'm going to be purchasing other PC games in the meantime with whatever money I can now haha since I'll be switching to PC gaming,
EDIT: :/ I really do think it would have been better with an i5 but we already did al this and had a motherboard put in for the phenom... I guess I'll save up and try to get the i5 3570k + Mobo whenever I do have the money, as I doubt piledriver will compare
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UPDATE!
Was able to overclock the processor with the new motherboard and we have it running at 3.2 ghz right now so thats a NICE true 6 core processor
<3 and the 7850 I'm going to clock up to 7870 level, probably plug my HD TV into my PC haha :D
Really happy with my new gaming machine
Thanks a bunch guys
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I'm not really that bullish on Piledriver, based on laptop A10-4600M (Trinity) reviews, which show that architecture. I don't think it would be worth upgrading then, so I'm not particularly convinced by the motherboard upgrade.
But anyway, if the computer is working well enough for your purposes, that's good though.
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well im still downloading sc2 patch updates haha but I'm confident overall since my PC is now using all high quality parts, as opposed to the HP mini stock of absolute bottom pieces.
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On June 07 2012 05:54 EneMecH wrote:Hey cyro, thanks a lot for your reply and for the PM I think that the key reasoning behind this upgrade is that it'll make the most out of this processor and give a viable upgrade path for the future when we feel it's necessary, and the 7850 giving a really good GPU that will last better until that point, especially since it has more memory and overclocks much better. It may not be the best, but I hope that it's justified to be happy with the idea of dropping in a compatible processor when we need to and overclocking it for gaming? Thanks again for your input so far. P.S: And I'm going to be purchasing other PC games in the meantime with whatever money I can now haha since I'll be switching to PC gaming, EDIT: :/ I really do think it would have been better with an i5 but we already did al this and had a motherboard put in for the phenom... I guess I'll save up and try to get the i5 3570k + Mobo whenever I do have the money, as I doubt piledriver will compare
dont worry too much about upgrading, your current setup is great, better to wait a year til Haswell which will far outperform ivy bridge, i just meant to say bulldozer is really bad for a lot of stuff in comparison to intel CPU's and piledriver will probably be just as overshadowed by haswell
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Ok man thanks!
new problem with sc2 now though haha
Experiencing crashes with my new 7850 I'll post a thread on it
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