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Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-26 00:26:15
May 25 2012 23:36 GMT
#21
Wait, doesn't that prove my point? XD I think I'm a bit confused. Physics is a GPU based calculation right? (No idea, I think it is though). That means your computer is CPU limited, which should be normal for SC2, and means that past mid game has no effect on how the HD4000 would perform. (Granted you prob have a better GPU.)

But you shouldn't have the same framerate for different CPU settings... O.o if I'm understanding that properly. That doesn't make any sense.

Edit: Physics is CPU. Haha
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
May 25 2012 23:56 GMT
#22
It'll be no problem. I run SC2 fine on lowest graphics settings with Intel HD 2000 graphics @ 1680x1050. You might even be able to turn a setting up here and there.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
May 26 2012 00:30 GMT
#23
On May 26 2012 05:13 Cyro wrote:
The GPU is barely touched with sc2 on low, especially on lower resolutions. I would not be suprised if both the laptop and the desktop were CPU capped, and the integrated GPU was not being maxed (and not the bottleneck of benchmark) for an early game FPS snapshot

Not true. GPU usage goes to 90% on lowest for me on either HD3000 or Nvidia 540m.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
May 26 2012 00:35 GMT
#24
On May 26 2012 09:30 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 05:13 Cyro wrote:
The GPU is barely touched with sc2 on low, especially on lower resolutions. I would not be suprised if both the laptop and the desktop were CPU capped, and the integrated GPU was not being maxed (and not the bottleneck of benchmark) for an early game FPS snapshot

Not true. GPU usage goes to 90% on lowest for me on either HD3000 or Nvidia 540m.


In later game situations or large team games i see very low GPU utilization as framerates drop from CPU cap, but i do have a higher end desktop card
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Hymm.618
Profile Joined July 2011
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-27 07:44:15
May 27 2012 07:36 GMT
#25
I recently got an i5 3570k with Intel HD 4000 graphics and still waiting for the GTX 670 to come in stock. I run SC2 on low and get anywhere between 70 to 145 FPS, never saw it go lower then 60 FPS, even in team game engagements.
Sirex
Profile Joined June 2010
Lithuania12 Posts
June 30 2012 06:40 GMT
#26
So, is it possible to play on ~medium settings on ~60FPS with i5-3570K? Even at late game?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-30 06:59:50
June 30 2012 06:57 GMT
#27
On June 30 2012 15:40 Sirex wrote:
So, is it possible to play on ~medium settings on ~60FPS with i5-3570K? Even at late game?


Nope, you're looking at 60fps~ at the early-game, 40-45~ midgame and 25-30fps in late game situations, might dip to 20 during huge battles.
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doomed
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia420 Posts
June 30 2012 10:12 GMT
#28
a quick search on youtube should give you an idea.

starcraft2 HD4000
Sirex
Profile Joined June 2010
Lithuania12 Posts
July 02 2012 07:07 GMT
#29
On June 30 2012 15:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 15:40 Sirex wrote:
So, is it possible to play on ~medium settings on ~60FPS with i5-3570K? Even at late game?


Nope, you're looking at 60fps~ at the early-game, 40-45~ midgame and 25-30fps in late game situations, might dip to 20 during huge battles.


Thank You for this answer. You tried that yourself?
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
July 02 2012 07:48 GMT
#30
On July 02 2012 16:07 Sirex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2012 15:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On June 30 2012 15:40 Sirex wrote:
So, is it possible to play on ~medium settings on ~60FPS with i5-3570K? Even at late game?


Nope, you're looking at 60fps~ at the early-game, 40-45~ midgame and 25-30fps in late game situations, might dip to 20 during huge battles.


Thank You for this answer. You tried that yourself?

Get a graphics card for $100 and you can play on ultra np.
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Sirex
Profile Joined June 2010
Lithuania12 Posts
July 03 2012 05:09 GMT
#31
On July 02 2012 16:48 Rollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 16:07 Sirex wrote:
On June 30 2012 15:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On June 30 2012 15:40 Sirex wrote:
So, is it possible to play on ~medium settings on ~60FPS with i5-3570K? Even at late game?


Nope, you're looking at 60fps~ at the early-game, 40-45~ midgame and 25-30fps in late game situations, might dip to 20 during huge battles.


Thank You for this answer. You tried that yourself?

Get a graphics card for $100 and you can play on ultra np.


Thanks, i understand that myself. Just want to save those $100 for better GPU in the near future
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
July 03 2012 05:51 GMT
#32
The solution seems simple. Just don't buy the graphics card and play on HD 4000. If the quality of your experience is unacceptable to you (it will not be, me thinks), then buy a graphics card after you find out you're unhappy without it.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
danson
Profile Joined April 2010
United States689 Posts
July 03 2012 06:44 GMT
#33
On July 03 2012 14:51 MisterFred wrote:
The solution seems simple. Just don't buy the graphics card and play on HD 4000. If the quality of your experience is unacceptable to you (it will not be, me thinks), then buy a graphics card after you find out you're unhappy without it.


did you even read the OP?

literally the first sentence "i plan on buying an ultrabook"
Sirex
Profile Joined June 2010
Lithuania12 Posts
July 03 2012 12:49 GMT
#34
On July 03 2012 14:51 MisterFred wrote:
The solution seems simple. Just don't buy the graphics card and play on HD 4000. If the quality of your experience is unacceptable to you (it will not be, me thinks), then buy a graphics card after you find out you're unhappy without it.


It seems that i will do that. Solution isn't very simple, because now i am buying PC with SSD and GPU in the future (after few months), or PC with GPU, but without SSD

Thanks for your answers.
billy5000
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States865 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-03 13:46:14
July 03 2012 13:44 GMT
#35
On July 03 2012 14:09 Sirex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 16:48 Rollin wrote:
On July 02 2012 16:07 Sirex wrote:
On June 30 2012 15:57 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On June 30 2012 15:40 Sirex wrote:
So, is it possible to play on ~medium settings on ~60FPS with i5-3570K? Even at late game?


Nope, you're looking at 60fps~ at the early-game, 40-45~ midgame and 25-30fps in late game situations, might dip to 20 during huge battles.


Thank You for this answer. You tried that yourself?

Get a graphics card for $100 and you can play on ultra np.


Thanks, i understand that myself. Just want to save those $100 for better GPU in the near future


Unless you're talking about a better GPU for your desktop, there really isn't a near future for laptops. I had the remorse of buying a laptop without a dedicated gpu, thinking I could save up and would be able to tolerate games on low settings. But once I built a desktop, I was pretty glad I had bought that laptop for $100 less because I'm usually on my desktop nowadays.

So unless you're either thinking about buying a GPU for your desktop in the near future, spend some more on a laptop gpu. It really doesn't have to be good. A low end dedicated gpu nowadays is much much better than an integrated gpu.

ehh i got confused. i thought sirex was the op..o well
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Boogieknight
Profile Joined December 2012
1 Post
December 01 2012 12:01 GMT
#36
I have to apologize but i understand nearly nothing of what youre speakin (framerates, cpu). Kind of a nap in these things . I want to buy a new product, mainly for work and soundproduction, but the new gear has to run at least sc2 and hots (in the near future). I have no alternative setup to play games, so?

Is a produkt with:

+ 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz) with 6MB L3 cache
+ 4GB (two 2GB) of 1600MHz DDR3 memory, configurable to 8GB or 16GB.
+ Intel HD Graphics 4000.

able to run it so i can play with "fun"?

I am not really into games, only sc2 (cause its sports).
Would you buy such thing???

Thx 4 you commend pce
Asturas
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Finland587 Posts
December 01 2012 12:21 GMT
#37
I have Asus UX31 with Intel HD 3000 and i5. I can even play 3v3, 4v4 is too laggy. In 1v1 game works fine on Medium graphic settings - but I play on lowest possible. With ultrabooks... well with most laptops the biggest problem is not the performance but temperatures.
The product you are asking is more then enough to play SC2, but remember, temperatures :D
There are no boundaries, that's the final conclusion.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
December 01 2012 15:27 GMT
#38
On December 01 2012 21:01 Boogieknight wrote:
I have to apologize but i understand nearly nothing of what youre speakin (framerates, cpu). Kind of a nap in these things . I want to buy a new product, mainly for work and soundproduction, but the new gear has to run at least sc2 and hots (in the near future). I have no alternative setup to play games, so?

Is a produkt with:

+ 2.3GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 (Turbo Boost up to 3.3GHz) with 6MB L3 cache
+ 4GB (two 2GB) of 1600MHz DDR3 memory, configurable to 8GB or 16GB.
+ Intel HD Graphics 4000.

able to run it so i can play with "fun"?

I am not really into games, only sc2 (cause its sports).
Would you buy such thing???

Thx 4 you commend pce


Framerate: number of frames (still pictures) rendered per second and sent to your screen for display. 20ish and below frames per second displayed on your computer starts to look very choppy and makes for an unpleasant experience. 60 frames per second is the maximum most monitors can display. For SC2, everything in between in generally acceptable in the real world, although this varies quite a bit per person (many people have better eyesight than me = notice a big difference between say 30fps & 50fps = are unhappy with a level of performance I find fine).

CPU: Compter Processing Unit, Compute Processing Unit, something like that. The main processor in your computer that does most of the fancy calculations. A better processor generally means a faster or more powerful computer. This is the main part of your computer that determines how well SC2 will run. So "SC2 is CPU-dependent" means the relative strength of your CPU matters a lot more than the relative strength of your GPU (Graphics Processing Unit).

TL;DR, that setup will be fine.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
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