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[MD]Frostbite
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada292 Posts
February 01 2014 01:58 GMT
#681
Yeah I probably wont buy another razer headset. But I did do my research before buyong it. Also it would be a generalisation yo say that all razer products are faulty. In its defense, my computer is on the old side and the audio jack has sometimes failed.me while using other products.
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Sverigevader
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden388 Posts
February 03 2014 14:43 GMT
#682
I was wondering if you guys know a good way of turning any pair of 3.5mm IEMs wireless.

I'm not an audiophile, I use a pair of Koss The Plug for everything (I'm going to upgrade because I don't think they're good enough anymore, but that's irrelevant), but I'd love it if they could be wireless. One solution I've been planning to try is to buy a Bluetooth headset like the Sony SBH52, they have a 3.5 mm jack for the headphones so you can use any. I'd hook these up to the computer with Bluetooth and attach the thing to myself and that's wireless enough for me.

Is there a simpler solution or something smarter?
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lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
February 11 2014 07:33 GMT
#683
On January 18 2014 04:03 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Just bought a pair of these babies.

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Save my review for later, but these sound pretty good.



Welcome to the club. Bust investment in a pair of headphones ever. I love these headphones so much. They are some of the most comfortable headphones I have ever worn and have great sound quality. The build quality is top notch as well. The band has the perfect amount of resistance so it doesn't give you any kind of squeeze, and it just sits perfect.
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Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
February 12 2014 02:00 GMT
#684
Got around $300 I wanna spend on a new dac/amp setup if its worth it at all.
My current setup is HD598 with a fiio e7/e9. I've never used any other dac/amp setup but I am pretty damn happy with it. I looked up the e17 back when it was first released but its been a while so I don't know if its still good bang for buck.

Looking for best bang for buck or maybe even upgrading the headphones if that's the better path, but the headphones are really new whereas I'd like to actually replace the e7. I realize the headphones aren't that hard to drive but as brand loyal as I am, I'd like to venture to other brands if they offer good alternatives for dac/amp at least.

Thanks for any suggestions!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 12 2014 02:43 GMT
#685
I'm not really here to prosthelytize, but I'm not much in the "amps/DACs making much of a difference" camp. Most (not all) of the differences most people hear can be attributed to differences in sound processing features like EQ / bass boost / crossfeed / other deliberate adjustments or just differences in volume. Most people casually doing comparisons aren't doing them blind, and many aren't even level matching. Check out the majority of the results you have level matching and it's like this:
http://matrixhifi.com/contenedor_ppec_eng.htm

In other words, past a certain point there are some kind of vastly diminishing returns. I'd be more inclined to get new headphones or save the money.

Sometimes it can be useful to have multiple headphones: an open and a closed one, maybe.
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-12 03:05:06
February 12 2014 03:00 GMT
#686
Fair enough. As I mentioned it was only a purchase I'd make if it was really worth it.
I'm kinda in that camp too after listening to my same headphones on a supposedly ' better ' amp/dac setup but still figured mine were on the lower end. I'm pretty set on my 598s, I really like em and just wanted to see if there was anything I could do for them. Also figured I might be able to future proof myself a bit by getting a JDS O2+ODAC combo or something.
Thanks.

Edit: Hell I was just considering going for a e17+e09K to ' update ' my current setup but even that feels like throwing money around for no good reason.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
February 23 2014 02:35 GMT
#687
I need some help deciding whether to buy either the Sennheiser PC360 or the HD 558. These will be for a variety of uses such as music, movies, and gaming. I also want something that has good bass. If you guys have other recommendations, then please provide any insight. My budget is under $150

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004FEEY9A/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_d0_i2?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=15T5GTH0WW71HMSHZ2YS&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-360-Headset-Pro-Gaming/dp/B003DA4D2U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393122729&sr=8-1&keywords=sennheiser pc360

CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
February 24 2014 09:49 GMT
#688
if you want good bass at that price point, you need to go with closed headphones like the audio technica ath-m50 and use a clip on mic.
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zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
February 25 2014 07:51 GMT
#689
On February 24 2014 18:49 CorsairHero wrote:
if you want good bass at that price point, you need to go with closed headphones like the audio technica ath-m50 and use a clip on mic.


Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know the difference between these 2?

http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B000ULAP4U/ref=hsx_crw_7210603011_tl_2?pf_rd_p=1639446822&pf_rd_s=center-5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=7210603011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0TXNCNPKQPF8NQ83JGXR

http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50x-Professional-Headphones/dp/B00HVLUR86/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393314410&sr=8-1&keywords=audio technica ath-m50
Sicion
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany131 Posts
February 25 2014 16:16 GMT
#690
On February 25 2014 16:51 zoLo wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know the difference between these 2?

Sound and build is the same but the m50x comes with three detachable cables.
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zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
February 26 2014 06:07 GMT
#691
On February 26 2014 01:16 Sicion wrote:
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On February 25 2014 16:51 zoLo wrote:
Thanks for the suggestion. Do you know the difference between these 2?

Sound and build is the same but the m50x comes with three detachable cables.


Thanks!
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
February 27 2014 09:26 GMT
#692
On February 12 2014 11:43 Myrmidon wrote:
I'm not really here to prosthelytize, but I'm not much in the "amps/DACs making much of a difference" camp. Most (not all) of the differences most people hear can be attributed to differences in sound processing features like EQ / bass boost / crossfeed / other deliberate adjustments or just differences in volume. Most people casually doing comparisons aren't doing them blind, and many aren't even level matching. Check out the majority of the results you have level matching and it's like this:
http://matrixhifi.com/contenedor_ppec_eng.htm

In other words, past a certain point there are some kind of vastly diminishing returns. I'd be more inclined to get new headphones or save the money.

Sometimes it can be useful to have multiple headphones: an open and a closed one, maybe.


I think its more up to the cans themselves.

I got 4 sets of headphones and from them, 2 Benefit noticibly from My amp, while the other two, if they do, I dont notice it.

The main problem with not having an amp is bass. Bass is the most demanding part of the spectrum power-wise, and if there is not enought power, bass sounds "wong" (Congestet, boomy, with lack of control... basicly, unnatural).

About the blind test you link, the speakers are quite good in terms of quality/price, but im sure id rather test floorstanders :D.

I personaly bought some decent floorstanders, and when i was hunting for an AMP, i found out to my surprise that Expensive Tube amps were better by almost an unnoticible amount than a cheap standard Denon AMP.

I have tested only Dacs in PC/mp3 and Fiio E17, and I did notice differences, but untill i test a better DAC, I cant be sure about that.

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iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1478 Posts
February 27 2014 09:38 GMT
#693
On February 12 2014 11:00 Ack1027 wrote:
Got around $300 I wanna spend on a new dac/amp setup if its worth it at all.
My current setup is HD598 with a fiio e7/e9. I've never used any other dac/amp setup but I am pretty damn happy with it. I looked up the e17 back when it was first released but its been a while so I don't know if its still good bang for buck.

Looking for best bang for buck or maybe even upgrading the headphones if that's the better path, but the headphones are really new whereas I'd like to actually replace the e7. I realize the headphones aren't that hard to drive but as brand loyal as I am, I'd like to venture to other brands if they offer good alternatives for dac/amp at least.

Thanks for any suggestions!


Well, Fiio does make decent bang for buck gear. At that price point, i think there wont be a better improvment than another headphone.

I personally own a E17 and a Schiit Asgard Amp, and the asgard amp is far supirior than the Fiio E17 when it comes to powering my Hifiman HE-400.

That beeing said, the HE-400 is a lot more Demanding than the HD598, so Im not sure that in your case that would necesarly be an upgrade.

If you plan to get another headphone thou, it might be a nice idea to look for headphones that have different sound signatures.
This way you can have Different HP for different music/entertainment...

I did hear that the HD600 by sennheiser is far better than the 598, but personally i did not have the chance to hear the HD600 (while i did hear the 598), and bare in mind there are actually people who prefer the 598 to the 600.

Thats why a 300 dollar investment wont be your best chance to get a significant upgrade (rather a side-grade) in your system.

For example my upgrade went from Sennheiser HD 380 Pro and fiio E17 as DAC/AMP to Hifiman HE-400 with Fiio E17 as DAC and Asgard as amp.

Thats a 650 dollar investment. The difference was worth it for me, but even if all people who know me think it sounds better, none would spend their money on it :D.
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airtown
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States410 Posts
March 04 2014 00:41 GMT
#694
I'm looking at getting the DT 990 Pro (250 ohms) for $145. I'll use it to listen to trance, dubstep, rock, pop, and classical music on my desktop.

I don't currently have a DAC or amp. What sort of amp would I need to power the headphones which would be a good match for their price? Also, would it be at all helpful to buy an aftermarket DAC? This article makes them seem useless: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/high-end-pc-audio,3733.html
My computer just has "Realtek High Definition Audio."

Thanks for all suggestions.
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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
March 04 2014 00:59 GMT
#695
Not useless but often generally not worth the cost if on a budget and focused on sound quality rather than features... unless you're on a motherboard where the onboard makes funny sounds whenever there's GPU or disk activity or something like that, or any number of other issues, or too high noise level for some sensitive sets, etc. Quality of onboard varies quite a bit. That said, if you're throwing around this kind of money anyway, something like a Xonar DG / DGX isn't really much extra.

Depending on the onboard implementation and your listening habits (read: loudness, music/recordings you're listening to), you may not really need a dedicated amp—maybe not worth the extra cost.

At the high end of the spectrum of what you should buy, say $100 on Schiit Magni, which is not a great pick if you also use IEMs or very sensitive headphones, but it is powerful enough for most headphones. It should be functional enough.

I would suggest buying the headphones, if those are really the ones you want, seeing the sound and how you're using it, and then determining if you need something more for it.
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z0rz
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 04:21:09
March 04 2014 04:19 GMT
#696
I'm on the "get an amp/DAC if you have decent headphones" team, but I won't say you need super expensive stuff to feel good about your purchase. And I say "feel good" because, in all honesty, I'm not ruling out the possibility of the placebo effect making me enjoy my amp/DAC purchase more.

I feel that if you buy $150 headphones, you have to care at least a LITTLE bit about audio. And if you care a little bit, you probably care enough to either notice an improvement over onboard audio.. or to fall for the placebo effect. Either way, you're feeling good :D

If you only plan on getting DT990s and will only use them at your PC at home (you won't use them through other sources like phone/MP3 player, TV, different PC at work, etc), a sound card is probably your best bet. Some sound cards have really good DSP features which improve 3D audio cues in games, which is something most external DACs can't do. And, depending on the sound card, it could give you options in the future for adding speakers.

If you plan on getting more mobile headphones/IEMs for outside the home (not that you can't rock DT990s on the bus, but most people probably wouldn't do that), you'll REALLY benefit from a mobile amp/DAC. Like Myrmidon said, PC onboard audio varies and can actually be pretty decent nowadays, but phone/MP3 player audio is generally atrocious. And, while a mobile amp/DAC will probably be slightly worse than a dedicated setup, it can still be used at home with your DT990s and improve things quite a bit over most onboard PC audio. It's a flexible, all-in-one kind of solution.

What you buy really depends on what you plan on doing, and how much you really care about audio haha
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wptlzkwjd
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1240 Posts
March 04 2014 05:30 GMT
#697
Can anyone recommend a good set of exercise earbuds? The ones I have keep falling out while I jog. Budget is $200 USD.

Thanks!
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-04 08:00:39
March 04 2014 08:00 GMT
#698
Since you're from Canada, check out this place (it has 1 cent shipping):
http://www.headphonebar.com/categories/Earphones/

If you're from Vancouver, go check it out in person. It will be worth it. You want to be shopping in CAD anyways since our dollar sucks ass.

The Shure SE315 is a pretty safe choice.
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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
March 04 2014 08:10 GMT
#699
On March 04 2014 09:41 airtown wrote:
I'm looking at getting the DT 990 Pro (250 ohms) for $145. I'll use it to listen to trance, dubstep, rock, pop, and classical music on my desktop.

I don't currently have a DAC or amp. What sort of amp would I need to power the headphones which would be a good match for their price? Also, would it be at all helpful to buy an aftermarket DAC? This article makes them seem useless: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/high-end-pc-audio,3733.html
My computer just has "Realtek High Definition Audio."

Thanks for all suggestions.


If your source is coming from a laptop, then bring your laptop to the store and compare it to using a usb dac/amp (like fiio e17/e9 or schitt modi/magni) and without it. I would recommend an external amp if you're getting the 250 ohm version. Your ears can do a better job at convincing yourself of what you need instead of TL
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chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
March 04 2014 23:17 GMT
#700
Hey guys!

Could somebody tell me if the Sennheiser PC320/330 are better than a standard Siberia? Are there any in that price range (50-80€) that are noticeably better?

Thanks!
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